Bogota Reports

For some reason, this theory seems to persist and feel that the air needs to be cleared so that we can all move on from Uber and rideshares being illegal. They are not. Let me summarize for us all:

1) Taxi companies in Colombia (like the rest of the world) require their drivers to pay a fee for a medallion. The fees go to local / city / state tax revenues. Every country has their own term for this medallion. In Colombia it's called a "Cupo". And just like basically every country, they had not yet modernized their taxi service and it struggled with the advent of rideshares where anyone could become a "taxi driver" without having to pay your local government the "cupo" fees. As an example, a Cupo in Colombia along with the special drivers license required costs $25-50 k USD. Yes, that is correct. $25 to 50 thousand US dollars. It is often more expensive than the car itself and is a huge source of revenue for the government.

2) Rather than modernize their service or reduce the need for a Cupo, Colombia instead chose to sue Uber specifically as it was the largest rideshare company at the time it entered the Colombian market.

3) Uber lost the court case and in December, 2019 the Superintendent of Industry and Commerce, came out and said Uber is now illegal. This is the point that many of these discussions have hovered around. A member of government on December 19th, 2019 said it was illegal.

4) 10 days later, Uber disputed the findings of the court case and initiated legal actions against the Colombian government to protect foreign investments under the free trade agreement between Colombia and the USA (Uber is a Delaware, USA based company).

5) Approximately 1 month later, while the courts had yet to review the case, Uber left Colombia in February 2020. Reports popped up that Transport police were giving rideshare drivers a hard time at the airports and in an attempt to get around it would require someone sit in the front. At the same time Uber dropped their protective status case because. (read number 6).

6) Once Uber had left, they initiated a different agreement to the Uber app and effectively bypassed the ruling given by the court. Uber in Colombia gets around the ruling by now calling itself a "Car and Driver Rental Service". Now, when getting an Uber from your app you are specifically renting a car and driver and that subtle change means you can use Uber as well as the other rideshare apps as they also changed their terms of service. This is how Uber (and the other apps we call rideshares but in Colombia are now called car and driver rentals) are allowed to operate. It is also my understanding.

7) That's it. Uber and other rideshare apps are not illegal in Colombia.

Now go out and ride your Ubers, Didi's, Indriver to your hearts content while down in Colombia and stop fretting that you're going to get arrested.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2741255]Arent you the monger that just posted in this thread there are 900 putas in HK at one time.

I've been in there a million times and can say your numbers are outrageous.[/QUOTE]I have been in HK 1 million times too, but when I saw those numbers I immediately thought well it must be (a lot of) something I am missing, because I have never seen that many chicks there. I think I took this picture on the Illustrious Tomjackin's birthday. This is my female coworker sucking on titties right before me and her went outside and got a 200 peso SW for a threesome.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2739507]you have about 15 chicas. Miami room would always have around 25 chicas. 2nd floor north end would have 80 chicas sitting at the tables. South end would have around 50. The mini stairs on the first floor would be flanked on both sides by around 20 chicas. The area around the main stage would have 100 chicas. Alley stage another 80 chicas. Count all the chicas that you can't see, probably at least 75 in the locker rooms changing outfits and fixing their makeup. 30-40 in the bathrooms at at any given time. Probably at least 50 getting fucked in Cascadas. The deadest weekend night would have minimum 400 chicas.[/QUOTE]And you saw this right before the fire marshall shut the place down for having 10 times as many people that would fit in the building? Is it legal to take photos in HK? It must be since the waiter is posing in this one that I took.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2741325]That's it. Uber and other rideshare apps are not illegal in Colombia.

Now go out and ride your Ubers, Didi's, Indriver to your hearts content while down in Colombia and stop fretting that you're going to get arrested.[/QUOTE]Who talks about getting arrested? So you are saying the drivers are not going to get a fine or their car impounded even though I personally know people this has happened to?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741307]Down in Peru today and one of my chicks hit me up this morning saying to come to the house at 2 pm for lunch. I get here and there are ribs on the grill. There are 8 people here (including me) and my plate is made first AND I am seated at the head of the table. There are no shoeless grandmothers and no deformed adult teenagers to be seen. I did not need to bring any gifts and all the money that I came with is still in my pocket! (I did take it out of my pocket for 1 second for picture taking purposes though.).[/QUOTE]Real men never bend over!!

And you can't fix stoopid bro.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2741053]Kudos to you for trying to treat a woman like a human being and more than just a pussy.[/QUOTE]What I do not get is why guys can not find a normal woman to treat like a human being. Why do they always have to do it with a chick they are supposed to be paying in the first place, aka a hooker, sugar baby, or whatever other name you want to give a chick that is not coming over if you do not give her money?

Looks good except for the Inca cola. That's probably one of my least favorite sodas. Period.

It's possible to make real, deep, and lasting friendships in Colombia and throughout Latin America with some time, language skills, and luck. I actually found that many people liked to spend money on me, whether it be buying me drinks or inviting me to parties as a way to show off to their friends and to enhance their social status when I worked in Central America. I remember going to a norteno concert in Honduras and getting bought beers the whole night by random people. I've also made real, lasting friendships / relationships that are not based on this type of showing off including with women who took me out and bought nice gifts for me. Here in Colombia, I'm still building my contacts but I already know several women who are happy to spend time with me and expect nothing from me beyond my company.

I think a lot of people fail and get sucked into abusive walking "cajero" relationships based on their own preconceptions and attitudes. One is that they take the scarcity attitude from here in the US with them to Latin America. There is no scarcity of women in Colombia or Latin America more generally. Probably 70% of the women you meet are single and / or willing to ditch their current boyfriend for a better prospect. Another is this attitude that women are doing you a favor by having sex with you or giving you their attention and need to be compensated in some way. I try to have the attitude that I'm doing them a favor by giving them my time, and attention and by having sex with them. Realizing that there is no scarcity and having a positive attitude about your own self-worth makes it easy to say no when someone tries to exploit you as you realize there are always other options. With that way of thinking its a question of time and a matter of putting yourself out there and time before you find more genuine friendships and relationships.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741307]Down in Peru today and one of my chicks hit me up this morning saying to come to the house at 2 pm for lunch. I get here and there are ribs on the grill. There are 8 people here (including me) and my plate is made first AND I am seated at the head of the table. There are no shoeless grandmothers and no deformed adult teenagers to be seen. I did not need to bring any gifts and all the money that I came with is still in my pocket! (I did take it out of my pocket for 1 second for picture taking purposes though.).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2741344]Looks good except for the Inca cola. That's probably one of my least favorite sodas. Period.

It's possible to make real, deep, and lasting friendships in Colombia and throughout Latin America with some time, language skills, and luck. I actually found that many people liked to spend money on me, whether it be buying me drinks or inviting me to parties as a way to show off to their friends and to enhance their social status when I worked in Central America. I remember going to a norteno concert in Honduras and getting bought beers the whole night by random people. I've also made real, lasting friendships / relationships that are not based on this type of showing off including with women who took me out and bought nice gifts for me. Here in Colombia, I'm still building my contacts but I already know several women who are happy to spend time with me and expect nothing from me beyond my company.

I think a lot of people fail and get sucked into abusive walking "cajero" relationships based on their own preconceptions and attitudes. One is that they take the scarcity attitude from here in the US with them to Latin America. There is no scarcity of women in Colombia or Latin America more generally. Probably 70% of the women you meet are single and / or willing to ditch their current boyfriend for a better prospect. Another is this attitude that women are doing you a favor by having sex with you or giving you their attention and need to be compensated in some way. I try to have the attitude that I'm doing them a favor by giving them my time, and attention and by having sex with them. Realizing that there is no scarcity and having a positive attitude about your own self-worth makes it easy to say no when someone tries to exploit you as you realize there are always other options. With that way of thinking its a question of time and a matter of putting yourself out there and time before you find more genuine friendships and relationships.[/QUOTE]Are you a shrink by any chance? Because this forum sure could use someone that can articulate these matters so succinctly to some here.

Or maybe if you want to make a ton of money you can write being El Jefe in Latin America for dummies / gringos 101.

Oh who am I kidding we all know you can't fix stoopid, they would probably just give the book as another gift to some 3rd world puta LOL.

1) If you fall in love in Latin America, you are falling in love by yourself.

2) Money can't buy you love.

3) and pussy makes you stupid.

A quick story, and I think many of us know of some stories where we fucked up on a trip.

A good friend and wingman of mine, a veteran pilot for a major airline with thousands of layovers throughout Latin America, fell in love with a hot chick who he met in a Terma in Rio. He bought an apartment for her in Santos. Was a great place for him to use a crash pad on layovers and maybe get married. Long story short, he want back to the states and when he returned to Brasil, she the locks changed, had her boyfriend and har whole family living there. The stupid ass put the house in her name so he was shit out off luck. When he confronted her she said and I quote:

"you should have known better, look at you, look at me" nuff said.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2741386]1) If you fall in love in Latin America, you are falling in love by yourself.

2) Money can't buy you love.

3) and pussy makes you stupid.

A quick story, and I think many of us know of some stories where we fucked up on a trip.e

A good friend and wingman of mine, a veteran pilot for a major airline with thousands of layovers throughout Latin America, fell in love with a hot chick who he met in a Terma in Rio. He bought an apartment for her in Santos. Was a great place for him to use a crash pad on layovers and maybe get married. Long story short, he want back to the states and when he returned to Brasil, she the locks changed, had her boyfriend and har whole family living there. The stupid ass put the house in her name so he was shit out off luck. When he confronted her she said and I quote:

"you should have known better, look at you, look at me" nuff said.[/QUOTE]Just today, I had a SA girl whom I had a session from my previous trip asked me if I can spot her some money upfront for her to make rent and she can waive future charges the next time I see her. I simply said I am afraid that I do not do that. Then, also another SA girl was pissed that I never bring her my any presents when she kept hinting for one. My thought was, why should I, you are one of the many. It is a transaction and the ppm that I pay her should be enough. I guessed that she has now blocked me on WhatsApp. Whatever, she is one of the so many that I have in my list.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741264]Cases in point: Prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas. But since there are hookers everywhere and even flyers and magazines offering their services, I guess you suppose it must be legal.

Where I am from it is absolutely illegal to have marijuana, but the district attorney has given police instructions to look the other way when someone has weed because they will not prosecute if someone has less than a certain amount, so everywhere you go you can smell illegal marijuana on people. Hard to imagine for you I know.[/QUOTE]You think a multi-billion dollar MNC knowingly operates illegally, gives millions of rides a day, conducts a million transactions a day with Colombian banks, and the Colombian government has no clue what's going on? The stupidity is just off the scale. BTW there are ZERO advertisements in Vegas explicitly advertising prostitution. And certain prosecutors won't prosecute small drug cases because the court system will become overwhelmed. You have no clue on how businesses and the legal system operate. You brag about knowing everything in the 3rd world yet you've never seen a plug-in water heater.

So again, here's the question that you refuse to answer:

If Uber is illegal in Colombia, why doesn't the Colombian government shut down access to its servers? Remove Uber app downloads from Colombian IP addresses? Freeze all Uber's Colombian bank accounts? Issue arrest warrants for Uber's board of directors?

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2741325]For some reason, this theory seems to persist and feel that the air needs to be cleared so that we can all move on from Uber and rideshares being illegal. They are not. Let me summarize for us all:

1) Taxi companies in Colombia (like the rest of the world) require their drivers to pay a fee for a medallion. The fees go to local / city / state tax revenues. Every country has their own term for this medallion. In Colombia it's called a "Cupo". And just like basically every country, they had not yet modernized their taxi service and it struggled with the advent of rideshares where anyone could become a "taxi driver" without having to pay your local government the "cupo" fees. As an example, a Cupo in Colombia along with the special drivers license required costs $25-50 k USD. Yes, that is correct. $25 to 50 thousand US dollars. It is often more expensive than the car itself and is a huge source of revenue for the government.

2) Rather than modernize their service or reduce the need for a Cupo, Colombia instead chose to sue Uber specifically as it was the largest rideshare company at the time it entered the Colombian market.

3) Uber lost the court case and in December, 2019 the Superintendent of Industry and Commerce, came out and said Uber is now illegal. This is the point that many of these discussions have hovered around. A member of government on December 19th, 2019 said it was illegal.

4) 10 days later, Uber disputed the findings of the court case and initiated legal actions against the Colombian government to protect foreign investments under the free trade agreement between Colombia and the USA (Uber is a Delaware, USA based company).

5) Approximately 1 month later, while the courts had yet to review the case, Uber left Colombia in February 2020. Reports popped up that Transport police were giving rideshare drivers a hard time at the airports and in an attempt to get around it would require someone sit in the front. At the same time Uber dropped their protective status case because. (read number 6).

6) Once Uber had left, they initiated a different agreement to the Uber app and effectively bypassed the ruling given by the court. Uber in Colombia gets around the ruling by now calling itself a "Car and Driver Rental Service". Now, when getting an Uber from your app you are specifically renting a car and driver and that subtle change means you can use Uber as well as the other rideshare apps as they also changed their terms of service. This is how Uber (and the other apps we call rideshares but in Colombia are now called car and driver rentals) are allowed to operate. It is also my understanding.

7) That's it. Uber and other rideshare apps are not illegal in Colombia.

Now go out and ride your Ubers, Didi's, Indriver to your hearts content while down in Colombia and stop fretting that you're going to get arrested.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I wrote a couple months ago. Uber was declared illegal for a short while, and then they found a loophole. They technically operate as a car rental company and not rideshare. The car just happens to come with a driver. And they've been legal ever since. I just can't imagine how stupid you have to be to believe that a billion dollar corporation would operate illegally in defiance of government orders. I'm talking single-digit IQ stupid. How can they pay their employees? How can they bank accounts not be frozen? How can their servers not be shut down in an instant? Give a millions of illegal rides every week and the government does nothing to shut them down? The stupidity is just mind-boggling.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741276]My guess is because they knew a sucker when they saw one. My motto is if it is for free then it is for me. And I guess they live by the same code.[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone who believes Uber operates illegally should be judging others as "suckers. ".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741250]You have not proven that ride sharing is legal. You have only said because you think and feel it can not be illegal that it is legal. You are in the minority, so how about proving yourself right.

Nobody ever said the government did not know about it. Please quote where you saw someone write that. In third world countries there are things that are illegal that are tolerated and there are gray areas. They will not bust you for something today then bust you for that same thing tomorrow. That is what you are failing to understand.

In Thailand the law says that you must wear a helmet when riding a motorbike. 800 people can ride by the police with no helmet on, then when number 801 rides by without a helmet they pull them over and give them a ticket. Just because tons of people are seen doing it with no penalty does not make it legal.[/QUOTE]Well, it is assumed the government does not know about it because they have the power to shut it down. And they have not shut it down. So they must not know about it, right?

Nobody ever said that every illegal act in every country gets arrested and prosecuted. You can get away with minor illegal infractions, especially if you are a single person. You cannot get away with willfully defying a court order if you are a billion dollar MNC with no place to hide. That is something that you cannot grasp because you lack the sense. So after you ignorantly declared yourself the king of 3rd world cold shower knowledge, I taught you a lesson and proved you wrong. So here's another lesson:

Suppose you are in Mexico, and a Mexican with a 2nd grade education tells you "Oxxo has been declared by the Mexican Supreme Court to be illegal. It is now illegal for them to be in business. " Never mind that all their lights are still on. Their doors open. Customers coming in and out buying things. Their vendors are still delivering goods, much of it on credit. Accepting credit card payments through their Mexican bank. Facilitating payments for Izzi and CFE and other utilities. Accepting money transfers through various Mexican banks. Paying their employees. Paying their rent. None of that matters, right? The only thing that matters is that the Mexican with a 2nd grade education said Oxxo is illegal. So to you, it MUST be illegal.

Imagine another scenario, this one using fictitious names to protect the identities of the severely gullible:

SenorAnternacional is at Bogota airport waiting to board his Avianca flight.

A Colombian with 2nd Grade Education: "Hola senor, I want to tell you that the Colombian Supreme Court has declared Avianca Airlines to be illegal. They were ordered to immediately cease all operations last month. They are illegal. ".

But. They are still selling tickets. Their bank is still processing credit card payments. They are still allowing boarding of their flights. They are still taking off and landing every few minutes. None of their flights have been canceled. Their website is still up and running and 100% functional. Their call center is still up and running. They are publishing new scheduled flights daily. They are still paying their employees. They are still hiring and training staff. They are paying their airport fees. Their vendors are still delivering goods. The aviation administration still clears their flights for takeoff. Their insurance company is still insuring them. They are still paying their hotel and other travel partners. There is absolutely NOTHING to indicate that there was a court order to shut down.

SenorInternacional: "I see that Avianca is operating 100% normally, but since a Colombian with a 2nd grade education told me they are illegal, then it must be true. Avianca is illegal! I'm a renegade flyer!

So with Uber, let's examine the facts. Let's count the indicators that would lead you to believe they are legal, and then the indicators that would lead you to believe they are illegal.

First, legal indicators:

1. They are operating 100% normally in Colombia.

2. Colombian and international banks as well as Visa and Mastercard have not severed relations as Uber accepts bank card payments as well as Nequi and DaviPlata.

3. They are paying their employees-their employer identification number is still valid.

4. Uber app is available for download from Colombian Play Store and App Store.

5. Colombian government has not blocked access to Uber servers.

6. They are hiring and training new employees.

7. They are accepting new drivers.

8. Their offices have not been raided by the feds or any other governmental agency.

9. Their insurance company still covers them.

10. Their board of directors are not in Colombian prison for defying a court order.

11. The American government has not revoked Uber's business license, which would surely happen if Uber was knowingly operating illegally in any part of the world.

12. Didi and InDriver have entered the Colombian market. You really think the Colombian government would issue new business permits to an industry that was declared illegal?

13. The taxi industry has partnered with Uber. You can now order UberTaxi in Colombia. So since the taxi companies are an official Uber partner, then the taxi companies must be illegal too, right?

And now, the illegal indicators:

1. Some Colombians with a 2nd grade education told me Uber is illegal.

So there. Might as well be a man and admit you were wrong and apologize. I'll accept and promise to not hold a grudge.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2741401]Just today, I had a SA girl whom I had a session from my previous trip asked me if I can spot her some money upfront for her to make rent and she can waive future charges the next time I see her. I simply said I am afraid that I do not do that. Then, also another SA girl was pissed that I never bring her my any presents when she kept hinting for one. My thought was, why should I, you are one of the many. It is a transaction and the ppm that I pay her should be enough. I guessed that she has now blocked me on WhatsApp. Whatever, she is one of the so many that I have in my list.[/QUOTE]Back when I was using SA and Cupid, I would have lots of these girls asking for money and we had never even met! I always tell them I don't send money, when I see you, of course I'll take care of you. If they ask again I block them. I have to assume if they ask me, they are asking all the men. There is a good portion of SA girls that use the app to groom dozens of guys as their ATM.

I had a few close amigas, who were amazing, great sex, super cute and never even discussed money upfront, they were just thankful for whatever I gave them, never talked about time, just great girlfriend sex. I did send a couple of my special friends a few dollars during the pandemic, they had no food and they all lost their POS jobs. They were the exception.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2741386]1) If you fall in love in Latin America, you are falling in love by yourself.

2) Money can't buy you love.

3) and pussy makes you stupid.

A quick story, and I think many of us know of some stories where we fucked up on a trip.

A good friend and wingman of mine, a veteran pilot for a major airline with thousands of layovers throughout Latin America, fell in love with a hot chick who he met in a Terma in Rio. He bought an apartment for her in Santos. Was a great place for him to use a crash pad on layovers and maybe get married. Long story short, he want back to the states and when he returned to Brasil, she the locks changed, had her boyfriend and har whole family living there. The stupid ass put the house in her name so he was shit out off luck. When he confronted her she said and I quote:

"you should have known better, look at you, look at me" nuff said.[/QUOTE]You fall in love in LA and you fall in love by yourself? Well to be fair isn't that the case all over the planet?

Too many western "men" love and respect "their women" it isn't reciprocal very often.

Well anyone with a brain knows money can't buy love but there are many here that feel that maybe they can't land a "gorgeous wife" in their home country because they aren't "rich" maybe they can use their money to qualify for one in a 3rd world puta hub? LOL ie Mr Elvis.

Pussy makes me stoopid? Nah not me, LOL.

The need for it sometimes gets the best of me.

But I never forget I am the gift to them.

They need me way more than I need them.

Thanks for your recent report, but man, what kind of responses did you expect? Guys here have been hard on you because you let the girl and her family take an advantage of you, totally your fault, not theirs. What was your plan? Fuck her a few times or become her real suggar daddy? If you wanted to just fuck her on your short trips to Bogota, then ppm would be ideal. If your plan was to date her, why spend so much at the very beginning? Let the relationship develop into a stronger one, give it some time, test drive her and then, if she shows lotalty, passion and love, you can start thinking about supporting her, little by little. Do you really think buying shit for her and her family members and wining & dining them will help you immerse into Colombian culture? Lol

Eating at mcdonalds every night is pathetic. There is a shit ton of nice restaurants and cafes around parque 93, any cuisine you crave, you just need to pull out your cellphone and spend 2 minutes of your precious time on google maps.