Kyiv

Just catching up on the forums.

Saw some people posting about the "asking for rent money."

I have been chatting with some girls on mamba, actually just looking for normal dates and getting to know people for travel.

I had one girl I spoke with a couple of times do the "I need money for rent" thing. Big emergency of course, going to get thrown out. Anyway I told her sorry I didn't run around sending western union to people I don't know. That got an explosion of "you think all girls are out for money" etc. Complete over reaction.

Too bad as she was a nice looking girl. I didn't bother responding just blocked her. More people should do this and then maybe it would stop, but it's got to be working with some guys or else it wouldn't be catching on like a fever.

Next thing you know they're going to be asking for money to help with the sick water buffalo back on the farm.

Actually it was always, grandma needs money for an operation.

Anytime a girl asks for money its only a scam 99% of the time, that is if she isn't offering something in return.

You want to give a girl 50uah for taxi money, meh, that's up to you. Anything other than that and it's chump city.

[QUOTE=Protocol;1400865]Next thing you know they're going to be asking for money to help with the sick water buffalo back on the farm.[/QUOTE]

Where are you pretending to live now.

[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1399647]I just pretended I lived in Kiev but was away on business often.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1401050]Where are you pretending to live now.[/QUOTE]I now pretend I live in Ireland but only visiting Kiev so get me while you can)

Seriously, a friend of mine who used to spend 10 days a month in Odessa was always surprised that the girls he knew were only available to meet on his last night in town. It was because he would tell them he was in Odessa for 10 days. He switched to telling them "3 days" and things all changed for the better.

Rent has always been an issue on Mamba. In the old days it was more acute, then dropped off for a few years but back again. Mini crisis going on I feel. Also, before, men were able to put "willing to be sponsor" on their profiles, filtering in our out the money seekers. Now they have to guess.

When going on a date, if a girl mentions,"mother is in hospital" or any other sad story, I knew 2 things. 1) I was getting laid and 2) I was going to be asked for hospital money the next day.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1401049]Actually it was always, grandma needs money for an operation.

Anytime a girl asks for money its only a scam 99% of the time, that is if she isn't offering something in return.

You want to give a girl 50uah for taxi money, meh, that's up to you. Anything other than that and it's chump city.[/QUOTE]CD, when a girl asks for money, and it is not a "relationship," long or short term, and you have no idea about her family and friends, then it is 150% a scam.

Girls here who are "normal" have a lot of pride. They will not ask for a kopeck. Only the gold diggers and the greedy bitches will come up with some sort of line and ask for money.

Be very aware and do not fall into this trap guys. In all cases, just say no.

[QUOTE=Protocol; 1400865]Just catching up on the forums.

Saw some people posting about the "asking for rent money."

I have been chatting with some girls on mamba, actually just looking for normal dates and getting to know people for travel.

I had one girl I spoke with a couple of times do the "I need money for rent" thing. Big emergency of course, going to get thrown out. Anyway I told her sorry I didn't run around sending western union to people I don't know. That got an explosion of "you think all girls are out for money" etc. Complete over reaction.

Too bad as she was a nice looking girl. I didn't bother responding just blocked her. More people should do this and then maybe it would stop, but it's got to be working with some guys or else it wouldn't be catching on like a fever.

Next thing you know they're going to be asking for money to help with the sick water buffalo back on the farm.[/QUOTE]Protocol, if you are indeed only looking for "normal dates," surely you realized that any regular normal "freebie type" girl whom you haven't yet even met in person yet, would never be asking you to send her rent money, or any other kind of money. That is the realm of scammers and p4p girls looking for an advance payment on services yet to be rendered.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1401049]Actually it was always, grandma needs money for an operation.

Anytime a girl asks for money its only a scam 99% of the time, that is if she isn't offering something in return.

You want to give a girl 50uah for taxi money, meh, that's up to you. Anything other than that and it's chump city.[/QUOTE]In the typical scenario where the RFM (Request For Money) is usually received there is already an existing sexual relationship between the woman asking for rent money to prevent eviction or money for some other urgent need, whether it be a boyfriend / girlfriend freebie relationship, or a pay 4 play relationship with a girl you have had paid sex with previously. In both cases, what is "being offered in return" is the sexual favors to be received in the future when you return for your next visit.

These situations are tempting because you know that you want that girl to like you and reward you and lavish you with great sex, so you can easily think it is a good investment. The problem is that the amount of money requested can quickly outpace the value of the sexual favors to be received.

If it's a p4p girl, rest assured she will always try to keep you on the down side of the transaction if she can, and you will never quite catch up on things. Her money requests will always outpace the services you received, if she can help it.

If it's a request from a freebie "girlfriend", the collective wisdom here on this thread is that she is sending the same request for money to all her other "boyfriends" that she is working when you are not in town.

If despite the foregoing you decide to take a calculated risk and give her money because it will enhance the relationship, make her like you more and feel more beholden to you, so that she will lavish great sexual favors on you the next time. 9 times out of 10, you will not end up the winner, and will instead learn that you have been played for a chump.

L

There are so many beautiful girls all over the Uke who will give for very little or nothing. It just takes a little more time and effort. The hospitality is great and just depends on you.

Hi Kiev fans,

I wolud like to visit the beautiful city Kiev in spring time again. In my previous visit Club Rio was the main topic of my experiences. I would like to know how is the club scene especially Rio Club nowadays and worth to try again? I still couldn't forget the gorgeous blonde Sophia from Club Rio does anyone know about her nowadays?

Thanks. O

A german Member of the European Parliament, The Rt. Hon. Elmar Brok was visiting Kiev in official mission in December 2012.

In the aftermath, some ukrainian media reported, that Mr. Brok had visited some night Clubs in Kiev and spend some time with prostitutes:

[url]http://obozrevatel.com/politics/70985-evrodeputat-elmar-brok-oskandalilsya-v-ukraine-po-polnoj-programme.htm[/url]

Maybe just gossip, of course Mr. Brok tries only to help build democracy in Ukraine.

But very interesting anyway. Did some of you know the "TEO club" or the "Tycce club"?

[url]http://tycce-club.ucoz.ua/[/url]

[url]http://nightlife.tochka.net/clubs/id/2393/about/[/url]

By the way, Mr. Brok got some trouble last week :

[url]http://focus.ua/society/264780/[/url]

[QUOTE=Shinai; 1401744]Hi Kiev fans,

I wolud like to visit the beautiful city Kiev in spring time again. In my previous visit Club Rio was the main topic of my experiences. I would like to know how is the club scene especially Rio Club nowadays and worth to try again? I still couldn't forget the gorgeous blonde Sophia from Club Rio does anyone know about her nowadays?

Thanks. O[/QUOTE]Rio. If its worth trying, very strange question. I was there not long time ago. Entry is still 100 grivna, or smth like that. Girls are in all ranges, from very stupid bitches, to some normal ones that are smart and nice to talk to.

It's silly how stacked up you can get on the last day.

On the last day of my last trip to Kiev I said fck it. Girls wanted to meet and I just told them to come but there might be other girls here, I'm a popular man and it's my last night in Kiev. At one point I had four girls in my apartment at the same time. Starting from 0400 that morning I had 4 girls, spaced a few hours apart, the night ended in a threesome. It was awesome.

The new crop of rent girls don't want to practice fair trade, they just want to 'borrow' rent money.

[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1401260]I now pretend I live in Ireland but only visiting Kiev so get me while you can)

Seriously, a friend of mine who used to spend 10 days a month in Odessa was always surprised that the girls he knew were only available to meet on his last night in town. It was because he would tell them he was in Odessa for 10 days. He switched to telling them "3 days" and things all changed for the better.

Rent has always been an issue on Mamba. In the old days it was more acute, then dropped off for a few years but back again. Mini crisis going on I feel. Also, before, men were able to put "willing to be sponsor" on their profiles, filtering in our out the money seekers. Now they have to guess.

When going on a date, if a girl mentions,"mother is in hospital" or any other sad story, I knew 2 things. 1) I was getting laid and 2) I was going to be asked for hospital money the next day.[/QUOTE]

Haven't been to Kiev for 4 months and finally back to my favorite city. Just a 3 days stay from this Thursday to Sunday, so I won't waste time and visit Rio. Someone out there who wants to join for some drinks there? PM me please.

[QUOTE=Shinai; 1401744]Hi Kiev fans,

I wolud like to visit the beautiful city Kiev in spring time again. In my previous visit Club Rio was the main topic of my experiences. I would like to know how is the club scene especially Rio Club nowadays and worth to try again? I still couldn't forget the gorgeous blonde Sophia from Club Rio does anyone know about her nowadays?

Thanks. O[/QUOTE]I don't think she works there anymore

Hi guys, in Kiev at the moment, I was talking to a girl X about meeting for some p4p on flirt (mamba same thing) , and I have not gotten around to meet her. I contacted her 2 nights ago but she couldn't but she has been all the time from then sending me messages,"I can today","I have time"

Last night all of the sudden a girl Z who looks really good, writes to me "hi", then we start talking and she asks do you want to have a date? She was expensive and it was very late but she said, well we can meet tomorrow.

Right now girl X called me and asked if we are meeting tonight, and I said yes, she had already quoted me a price but now she was asking me,"how much will you pay me?" I normally don't try to make them change their prices but this time I told her, well I pay you XXX much and she said ok.

It seems to me that girls need some cash now and there might be not enough customers, I just never had a girl approach me to offer.

Then again it helps that my profile says that my location is Kiev.

[QUOTE=Hzlvr; 1403444]Hi guys, in Kiev at the moment, I was talking to a girl X about meeting for some p4p on flirt (mamba same thing) , and I have not gotten around to meet her. I contacted her 2 nights ago but she couldn't but she has been all the time from then sending me messages,"I can today","I have time"

Last night all of the sudden a girl Z who looks really good, writes to me "hi", then we start talking and she asks do you want to have a date? She was expensive and it was very late but she said, well we can meet tomorrow.

Right now girl X called me and asked if we are meeting tonight, and I said yes, she had already quoted me a price but now she was asking me,"how much will you pay me?" I normally don't try to make them change their prices but this time I told her, well I pay you XXX much and she said ok.

It seems to me that girls need some cash now and there might be not enough customers, I just never had a girl approach me to offer.

Then again it helps that my profile says that my location is Kiev.[/QUOTE]On mamba, Try not to get caught in the trap of negotiating against yourself. Two things: first I have noticed that there is information sharing going on between different girls. Second there are girls who have put up multiple profiles using different fake pictures so it is sometimes possible to be communicating with the same individual girl while you think it is two different ones.

Therefore, try to be consistent with the prices you say you are willing to pay. If you agree to pay one girl a high price, pretty soon another girl will try to push to get the same higher price and you haven't helped yourself, but rather just raised the bar for yourself. If you differentiate between girls in price, it should only be based on better looks and / or better services. That way another girl not as good looking or who won't do certain services can be told,"you want more? Will you do xxx?"

For example, if your standard price that you are willing to pay is $100/1hr, and a really hot looking girl wants more than that, and you really want her, but she wrote "everything in condoms" in her response, and you told her you only go with girls who do BBBJ, then you might consider resolving the impasse by agreeing to raise her one hour price on condition she confirms the BBBJ. If you are with her and she becomes one of your favorites for repeat business, you are likely going to want her to stay for multiple hour sessions in the future, and you can absorb the slight price hike for the initial hour to get her to move on the BBBJ issue, into the negotiation on the rate she gets for multiple hours. So For example, if you get a very hot girl who won't do DFK, DATY or BBBJ for $100 / hr, to agree to do all those services for $150 / hr, then you have established the service level with that girl, and you stand a good chance of negotiating a 2 hour session with her for $200 while still at the higher service level.

But there are guys who have a different, more unyielding manner of negotiating, and they simply stick to their guns and insist on $100 / hr including all the services mentioned, and not a penny more, take it or leave it. Often enough the pressure the girls are under economically will cause them to cave in to such a stance, however, a fair number of times you will lose a really hot girl that way.

So it depends what you value more in such an instance: your few extra dollars or being able to stick your penis into the particular very hot princess in question.

Have fun in Kiev.

LJ