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I would advise that you always ask a girl if she 1) has a baby and 2) if she 'goes hotel' all night, BEFORE buying her a ladies drink. If the answer is 'yes' to the first question or 'no' to the second ('I am Cherry Girl' or menstruating or only do bar-hopping), then tell the waitress who is pestering you to buy a ladies drink that you are going to choose another girl, sorry..so many girls, so little time for getting the run-around.

Returned to MNL a few days ago, downloaded the WSG postings to my PDA, it made good reading for the plane!

Arrived in the evening and went to EDSA complex to try Belts & Whistles around 11PM. Quality was OK but really not as good as I would have hoped. Only thing that is a little different is that the girls wear some kind of indian (as in cowboys and indians) outfit, which I was told they need to actually rent from the club.

Mamasan pushed an average looking girl with a nice personality to my table and after many drinks (for me) and out of laziness (mostly because I had a meeting early in the morning) I decided it would be easier to pick her than cross the hall to Firehouse. The girl was working hard on convincing me to take her. Pretty much as I was getting ready to check out with her, I could see the girl looking embarassed and speaking in Tagalog to the mamasan. A regular customer of hers had just walked in. She quickly moved to the guy's table after an apology...and in time reminded me that she works there and is not my girlfriend. Of course the mamasan did everything to keep me there, and threw in a "BJ specialist". She said all the right things and we left. Turned out to be less pretty in the light than in the club, pretended to do a BBBJ CIM but made me come on her breasts at the last second, I called it a night and sent her home. Definitely no BJ specialist.

Conclusion: I am not going back to Belts & Whistles.

Next day I thought I would try Hard Rock and then cafe Havana in Greenbelt. Since I am not from MNL it took me a while to figure out that Greenbelt is in Makati and within walking distance of the Hard Rock. Greenbelt is actually a pretty nice place (restaurants/shopping center type) and there are girls hanging around on all levels, not just at Cafe Havana. Some winked at me, some looked like they were just waiting to be approached. By the way there is another Cafe Havana or maybe Havana Cafe at a different address in the phone book, so it is easier to locate Greenbelt, near the Shangri La.

About 6 girls at Hard Rock, maybe because of the 300 pesos cover charge that night (Friday), mostly in the smoking section at the bar. They look around and make eye contact but I did not see them really directly approaching anyone. I had dinner there and moved on to Cafe Havana. There is a large sitting area outside, very crowded that night, and a dance floor inside. Overall much more upscale than LA Cafe and good quality of girls, some non-pro and some not working either. I was approached by a cutie in a red dress who flirted and danced with me. Took her home and she stayed till morning. Fairly shy girl though, she drank herself to a near coma to relax and still would not do much besides regular FS, limited BJ for about 20 seconds. OK, but no more.

Next day Saturday I went to LA Cafe at 6PM. Good crowd, a girl approached me and sat there for a while. I did not like her so she got another girl for me (and later asked for a tip). A little 21 yo cutie, it did not take long till she was in my room. But there again very shy, would not do much, would not even show me her backside, supposedly reserved for her boyfriend. Nice personality, nice girl, very pretty, but not was I was looking for. So she went home, or probably back to LA Cafe.

I thought I needed to finish with some fireworks and had never been to Miss Universal, so I got into a taxi. I was surprised by MU because it does not look like much from the outside but is quite nice inside. Big stage with some shows and some of the girls get naked after 10 or 11PM. Mamasan took me to the fishbowl part where I picked Kate #17, supposedly 19 yo and later 18yo. Very, very pretty, very beautiful girls in this place, definitely better than elsewhere. BUT, the mamasan absolutely insisted that I should take the girl out and pay the barfine rather than go into a VIP room. For an hour with the barfine and a couple drinks for the girl the bill was 7880P, meaning this is definitely not cheap. But I thought the girl looked so good I had to do it (BTW it's 10% more if you pay by Visa rather than cash, but I did not have 8000 P cash with me so...). Took her back to the hotel and she was even more shy than anyone I have ever met in my life. I took her to the hotel bar first where she had several tequilas and later to the room. There she complained that I was "too big" but would'nt do BJ of any kind, all lights turned off, and then she had to leave by 3AM, which of course she never mentioned before (in the bar she did tell me she has a bay and it showed...). I let her go but she said she would come back at 8AM (I had to leave at 10AM to get my flight). She only asked for money for the taxi but I gave her 2000P, I imagine you need to pay these girls?

I never expected her to come back so I was shocked when she showed up at 7AM, with a friend! I thought my luck had turned and was already visualizing a big party with both girls. Wrong. I went to the bathroom and when I came back they were both fast asleep on my bed, almost in a coma, nothing would wake them up. I kicked them out at 10AM, got on my flight and thought I'd rather forget the whole episode.

I am sure most others would have handled things differently but hey, that's me and I got what I bargained for I guess.

Conclusion:

I won't pick an 18 year old the next time I want great sex.
MU is more upscale than any other place and is realy nice but expensive (and everyone is asking for tips when you leave too).
Cafe Havana and the surrounding area are real nice
Hard Rock is so so in my book
LA Cafe is hit/miss with a lot of seasoned, sometimes too seasoned, pros.
EDSA is quick but also hit/miss. Not all mamasans are reliable.

PS: I was told by a girl that all the waitresses at LA Cafe go out also. Is that true? If I knew, I would have picked the waitress!

[QUOTE=Mahal]
About 6 girls at Hard Rock, maybe because of the 300 pesos cover charge that night (Friday), mostly in the smoking section at the bar. They look around and make eye contact but I did not see them really directly approaching anyone. I had dinner there and moved on to Cafe Havana. There is a large sitting area outside, very crowded that night, and a dance floor inside. Overall much more upscale than LA Cafe and good quality of girls, some non-pro and some not working either. I was approached by a cutie in a red dress who flirted and danced with me. Took her home and she stayed till morning. Fairly shy girl though, she drank herself to a near coma to relax and still would not do much besides regular FS, limited BJ for about 20 seconds. OK, but no more.[/QUOTE]


Mahal,

The girls don't really approach you in the Hard Rock. In one of the many times I was there, I saw two girls escorted out when one of the bartenders called the manager after they approached me and he overheard their questions to me. I asked why he did that, he said that they don't allow girls to sell themselves in the restaurant. They have an international reputation, they must up hold. But, if a male approaches a woman who smiled at them, it's like just like asking for a dance.

[QUOTE=Mahal]I was told by a girl that all the waitresses at LA Cafe go out also. Is that true? If I knew, I would have picked the waitress![/QUOTE]

I asked a few girls, but they said if they were "caught," they would be fired. I eventually was texting two girls who contracts expired a few weeks later, and had a great time after they stopped working there. BTW, some of the girls in LA are actually ex-waitresses. That's how they know the waitresses so well that they can get free food, or drinks sometimes when their boss isn't paying attention.

Hey guys,

I was in Manila about 2 weeks ago and I had such great experiences at the massage place in the Grand Hotel on Roxas ( next to Adriatico Restaurant ) that I thought I would stop in on my way to the airport as I was leaving town. I went up the elevator, and to my surprise, there was no fishbowl to select the girls from. Instead I was led down the hallway to a room with a tv and a few chairs and couches, and there were about 10 girls all in street clothes. I was a little confused at first, but then it dawned on me that I should be selecting my massage lady from these girls. The girls didn't look too attractive and I ended up leaving with no massage. Did they get busted or something? I looks like they are trying not to look like a massage place now.

I miss the old place, and the old style. Lots of good memories, but I probably won't be back if this is how it is going to be now.

Mahku,

Regarding Miss Universal, the P7880 is the complete barfine. You need not give the girl anything else, except P300-P500 as a generous tip/cab fare. She will probably make around P3,000-P4,000 out the barfine. Miss Universal would be considered B-List Upscale clubs, similar to Dynasty Real, Mystique, and most clubs along Roxas Blvd. The A-list would be Legende, Pegasus, Air Force-1, Heartbeat.

[QUOTE=genuis8]Mahku,

Regarding Miss Universal, the P7880 is the complete barfine. You need not give the girl anything else, except P300-P500 as a generous tip/cab fare. She will probably make around P3,000-P4,000 out the barfine. Miss Universal would be considered B-List Upscale clubs, similar to Dynasty Real, Mystique, and most clubs along Roxas Blvd. The A-list would be Legende, Pegasus, Air Force-1, Heartbeat.[/QUOTE]

Genuis8, thank you for the clarification, I will know better next time. Are the A-list clubs in the same price range as MU or still higher?

Mahal

The girl I met from Miss Universal I mentioned several times now lives near Miss Universal but doesn't work there any more. I have been chatting with her on a cam in a public cafe but would like to see a little more...

She has asked for an internet cafe with a private room but hasn't found one around there. She lives about 5 minutes north of MU off FB Harrison. Anyone know of one in that area?

A friend of minewho works at Jurassic next to LA Cafe said her club was busted by police this week. Don't know what it means. She is not able to work until she gets her permit straightened out.

I posted this report in the Angels City section, but since I am a regular in the Manila forum and many Manilans make Angeles City side trips, I am also posting it here. If you want to respond to it, you should do so in the Ageles city forum.

First some background. I live in Manila and make it to AC every couple of months. I have been going to AC off and on for the past 8 years. In Manila, I will typically barfine about 20 girls a month.

Anyway, my trip in August was typical - 3 cute girls i two days. My trip this Monday and Tuesday was FAR different from any other trip - 0 girls in two days.

I started out at 6:00 as I know that to get the cute girls you have to start early before someone else barfines them. I try to hit as many bars as possible before about 10:00, when the pickings get slim. The problem was that while I still found one or two cute girls in each bar, they were ALL cherry gilrs, and I mean every last one of them. I had hit about 25 bars by 10:00, but every cute girl was a cherry girl. These cherry girls were just like the girls I barfine every day in Manila, except they claim to be virgins and want about 50,000 pesos. In the past I have always come across many cherry girls, but never found anything close to ALL the girls being cherry girls.

The first issue is that if these girls really are virgins, why are only the cute ones virgins. What happens after they "lose their cherry"? Since most virgins that lose their virginity in a bar become bar girls, there should be some ex-cherry girls working (at least one!!) In Manila, I regularly find girls who really did just lost their cherry, and they are just cute as when they were vigins (I go to bars so often here that I find many real cherry girls, and find the same girls at a later date working in the same bar as regular bar girls - and I almost always barfine them). Therefore, it is pretty clear that most cherry girls in Angeles are not virgins.

The biggest issue is why this change was so sudden. I know it is not just my perception because in this trip I went with 3 other people - one who had been to AC before, and two for whom it was their first trip. Everyone said that ALL the cute girls were cherry girls, and had either no luck or very little luck finding girls (but all had no problem in Manila). One in the group ended up paying 50,000, as he found it was the only way to fuck a cute girl. Also, a friend of mine who lives out here went a couple of weeks ago and had the same problem. He ended up barfining 5 cherry girls in the hope that maybe one of them would fuck him, but ended up having to pay 20,000 just to get laid from a cherry girl.

I barfined a cherry girl the second night, as I figured it was better to at least try with someone cute, then to fuck some ugly *****. Now, I may have only had one real virgin in my life, but I have banged hundreds of bargirls - and this was just your typical bargirl. She had this whole routine in the bed "ohh, you are the first guy to ever touch my nipples - they are only for you", "I am not interested in losing my cherry for money, I want it to be with someone I can love, and I think that person is you". As we started to make out, she excused herself to the bathroom. She didn't use the toilet, but I heard her zip undo, some fiddling around, and then she came out (did she put something inside her?) We then continued to make out and she said, "I want you to be the first, but the mamasan would be very mad at her if she lost her cherry without some money". This only confirmed my suspicions, that every cute girl in town had figured it was much easier to pretend to be a virgin for 50,000, then to fuck some stranger every night for 600 (her cut of the barfine).


I don't know why this change happend so sudden, but it appears to have something to do with a term we use in business called critical mass. In this case, at a certain point such a large percentage of the girls have started playing the game, the rest fall. If they don't, they will just get banged at 6:01 every night for 600 pesos, while the competition is fucking maybe one guy every couple of months and making more money. Bars have no choice but to follow as because so many other bars are playing this game. If they don't, the cute girls will just go to a bar that lets them pretend to be cherry girls.

But the point is, right now, AC is dead. Unless you are on a budget and can only afford 1,200 Peso for a fuck, there is no reason to go there. If you can find 2,500 to 3,000, you will have much better quality in Manila.

You are right, in my estimation only about 20% of the girls in AC / Manila who say they are Cherry Girls are really virgins. I met a girl still having her first day medical (not in uniform yet) in AC and she showed me her new work contract. It was clear from the way she behaved that she was a virgin. As suggested, it is easy to detect the other 80% who are playing a money scam or are menstruating or sore from the previous round and want ladies drinks without having to bar fine. In order to avoid this, before buying a ladies drink, ask the girl if she is a virgin (scam), if she bar fines (menstruation etc.) and if she has had a baby (stretch marks). Based on that decide whether to buy a ladies drink or tell her to go back on stage. You are the customer!

Well, Fastpiston has a rather cut throat style which may appeal to some. I don't like wasting time either, but I can see a few problems with his style.

1) You pull a girl off stage and then send her right back, I suspect a few ladies will be thinking "a__hole". No offense, if I feel crowded by girls I shoo them off and then I can see the "a__hole" look on their faces. Once that happens, it's best to just head off to another bar.
2) The drink is just for conversation and they don't really cost much. Often, you can get information about the other girls when chatting with the first one. You tell the first one, "...what's her name...she's cute" and the first one will usually be happy to introduce you to the second one. And they love to gossip, so you might find out something to warn you off the 2nd one. Of course you should take everything with a grain of salt.
3) If the cutest girl in the bar is a "virgin", so what? Having a stunning young lady sitting next to me in a bikini is worth the price of a ladies drink.

Well, that being said, I usually don't spend time in the more expensive places.

Can anybody give me the low down on Paranque city area action, specifically bars by the name of Brightest star and albertos lounge, or the Diamond supper club.

Thanx

Spamhog

Just wondering if anyone can recommend that are close to LA Cafe. If you can remember the price pls list it.

Also where is the best place to store your money while your away from the hotel? im always deeply concerned when i leave my money in the hotel room hidden in my locked suite case?

[QUOTE=Mahal]Genuis8, thank you for the clarification, I will know better next time. Are the A-list clubs in the same price range as MU or still higher?

Mahal[/QUOTE]

The A-list are higher. Heartbeat (GRO=P8,000 minimum, Model=P11,000-13,000). Legende (P10,000). Pegasus (P8,000 P11,000 P13,000 depending on girl category). AirForce-1 same as Pegasus. So expect to spend P10-13,000 for the A-list. Is it worth it? Depends on the girl's beauty, her service, and how the experience was for you. The simple answer is: Its your feeling, if it was worth it.