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Rasta,

i hate to tell a senior member to RTFF! but since the advent of the reports of Distinction section and the link to two reports that answer the question "What are the best FKK's" there really is no excuse for this sort of question.

there is no answer, the lineups vary from week to week month to month.

Perhaps Grimberg Sauna. They generally have 4-6 women working 2 of which are stunning, so i think on the days when both of them are working and only two others are working then maybe the ratio of 50% would be pretty high. Otherwise a real shithole, but that wasn't your question.

[url]www.sexydates.tv[/url] is not an fkk and has horrible service, but the pictures are truly stunning.

I am trying to think up a couple of more stupid answers, but don't think it is worth the effort.

Rastaman, a few years ago I would say Babylon, I recently visited last summer and the quality dropped. You find a mixture at all the clubs, my current guess would be Golden Time or World.

Does Snow affect the FKK clubs much. Im sure if there is heavy snow many guys and some girls would stay away.

I doubt they would close though?? Any thoughts??

Heavy snow is not good for business, virtually any business. Most customers need an alibi to go to a club, and that often has a time limit. So people who are at home thinking of heading to a club often decide not to because of snow.

It doesn't affect as many girls, unless it comes suddenly. There are more girls who sleep at the club, so they usually still show up, unless it is difficult to get there.

Some customers who are stuck on the highway far away from home sometimes will head to an FKK to pass the time until the highway crews get the streets cleaned.

[QUOTE=Peter]
Some customers who are stuck on the highway far away from home sometimes will head to an FKK to pass the time until the highway crews get the streets cleaned.[/QUOTE]

Been there, done that. Actually it is a great chance to hook up with many of the top-acts who are usually "dauergebucht".

Cheers,

Dedalus

Hi guys,

We will be in frankfurt on 9th.

How is the weather in there?

I love to have some snow :)

Hi,

If you are looking for snow, Frnakfurt is the wrong place. It hardly ever snows there. Here is the weather link:

[url]http://de.weather.com/weather/local/GMXX0040[/url]

Enjoy
euro

Ok guys, let's get 2006 started:

From what I read on this board a taxi from Oase to World would cost me E70- 100. Can anyone confirm? Or maybe give a more accurate estimate?

I am pretty sure you all would recommend a rental car for this exercise, but I would rather avoid the time and hustle to pick up a car. And yes, I have checked [url]www.bahn.de[/url] , and once again time is not on our side: It will take approx. two hours including two taxis (Giessen/Bad Homburg to/from the clubs). And it probably would not work at night.

My next trip is mid or late January. The FRA hotels are full (at least IBIS is)which should indicate a messe is taking place. Which again should indicate a crowded Palace, no?

Girlswise, it seems this board favors Palace and Oase over World these days, no?

Also, while all three clubs usually rock at night, I wonder which is best on a cold winter day midweek. Anyone wish to recommend?

Any input on this would be appreciated and favors returned.

It seems that there are a hell of a lot more raids in the past 3 months. I have been lucky enough not to be in any, but i have heard aboput them in almost every club. I have heard a couple of the girls talking for months that it is not just about illegal immigration or working without papers anymore, it is more and more the Internal Revenue (Finanzamt) that is tagging along trying to make sure they get their share.

I know from club managers that for years the tax people have thought the girls earn a hell of a lot more than they actually do. I know of one girl who was stupid enough to get in an argument with one of the cops and when he asked, "how much do you earn?" answered, "More than you!" and thenkept getting deeper and deeper into it. She has a tax bill of 50,000€ now. stupid girl!

But now i know that the first club told me that they got mail from the tax man saying they have to register each girl working there with 25€ a day to cover their taxes. Well in the Frankfurt clubs where the girls are paying a cover charge of 55 or 65€ a day that might be possible. In the düsseldorf area clubs the girlss are paying more like 15€ a day, and business isn't booming in any sort of way where the girls could afford that.

Clubs will find a way to deal with it, sort of like that I don't pay my TV fees here in Germany, but i do pay the radio ones. If they ever check and catch me i can just claim i bought them used two days earlier and i only have to pay from that day. I figure most clubs will claim that only 10 or so girls are working daily, and then if they raid and there are 40 girls, "well, they just showed up today!"

[QUOTE=Peter]It seems that there are a hell of a lot more raids in the past 3 months. I have been lucky enough not to be in any, but i have heard aboput them in almost every club. I have heard a couple of the girls talking for months that it is not just about illegal immigration or working without papers anymore, it is more and more the Internal Revenue (Finanzamt) that is tagging along trying to make sure they get their share.

I know from club managers that for years the tax people have thought the girls earn a hell of a lot more than they actually do. I know of one girl who was stupid enough to get in an argument with one of the cops and when he asked, "how much do you earn?" answered, "More than you!" and thenkept getting deeper and deeper into it. She has a tax bill of 50,000€ now. stupid girl!

But now i know that the first club told me that they got mail from the tax man saying they have to register each girl working there with 25€ a day to cover their taxes. Well in the Frankfurt clubs where the girls are paying a cover charge of 55 or 65€ a day that might be possible. In the düsseldorf area clubs the girlss are paying more like 15€ a day, and business isn't booming in any sort of way where the girls could afford that.

Clubs will find a way to deal with it, sort of like that I don't pay my TV fees here in Germany, but i do pay the radio ones. If they ever check and catch me i can just claim i bought them used two days earlier and i only have to pay from that day. I figure most clubs will claim that only 10 or so girls are working daily, and then if they raid and there are 40 girls, "well, they just showed up today!"[/QUOTE]

The tax authorties in the Netherlands are almost as bad, that's why I decided not to get involved in opening an establishment in Amsterdam. Too much risk doing business in a non-Anglo country. No one's making me pay a tax for my Notebook PC or my Plasma HDTV, decided to enjoy life in the 51st US State aka Australia. John Howard and George W Bush, what a team!!

A reliable contact works for a regional tax authority (he's up north near Bremen), and I understand that every tax department has people whose job it is to discover "Schlüpflöcher". Can only translate that as "holes where you can slip through". In other words they are constantly on the lookout for new people or new groups of people slipping through the tax net, and of course freelancers with no issue of receipts or little income evidence are prime targets. Being Germans, they do this thoroughly, and typically they probably spend more money chasing than they actually round up. Imagine the cost of a helicopter raid on Oase.......

And, yes, in certain areas, apparently, the tax guys are zooming in harder on nightlife "earners" as an ever-growing Schlupfloch at times when the states need every euro they can get. So, this could explain the higher frequency of FKK raids at the moment, although it will by no means be limited to FKKs.

I can understand all this. When I raid an FKK my first preoccupation is to find holes I can slip into as well.

What is interesting from Peter's contribution is the implication that the tax authorities are calling the clubs to book not only for their own income, but also by extension for the tax obligations of the girls (registration for EUR 25 a day). This is exactly the sort of "employment relationship" which clubs are loath to imply, let alone practise, so it is indeed a delicate grey area.

[QUOTE=Toscana]
I can understand all this. When I raid an FKK my first preoccupation is to find holes I can slip into as well.

[/QUOTE]

:D I love your writing style!

Toscana,

It translates exactly into "Loophole". Both with exactly the same etymological root being the loop when you make a knot that you can slip through.

Also, the 25€ thing is not so much a employee relationship. it fits in with the free contractor thing, but just has a deposit thing. If the girl is filing her own taxes she can state her name and be free of the 25€ fee.

It is more similar to the way that german insurance companies withhold 15% of the value of insurances anonymously for taxes if you transfer it out of country. Or when you sell stocks through a german bank they withhold the capital gains taxes right away. If you can prove that they are tax exempt you can get the money back, otherwise they anonymously go into the tax fund.

Hey,

Anyone else hear this on NPR?

[url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5080430[/url]

Cheers,

Dedalus

The Tag Line sounds like the same tired old shit.

Berlin has a very different sex scene than the FKK areas. There is a major FKK there for aboput 3 months now, but it ain't doing well from what i can tell. they had a 40€ entrance deal all December.

Is it all about the plan to have drive in fuck booths?

remember only the finals and very few games are in Berlin, so there will be more games in the NRW region with Dortmund, Gelsenkirchen and Cologne all hosting games.

I really wish there would some day be an article that takes a different bent. seeing how every journalist rehashes the same shit over and over again has really made me lose respect for journalists.

Did you hear the way the translator always intonated, "prostitution"

I am not going into that Cafe Psssst! The women working there seem to have been working in this job way too long. there should be forced prostituion retirement at age 40!