Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2508135]I'm also guilty of barebacking SBs and even WGs. I used to strictly use protection, but after being with hundreds of women (mostly WGs) using protection, I just lost interest in it. But it all started with a gal that used to be a WG, but now she owns a few businesses and has a BF. But she likes me, and so we still meet up sometimes, and she insisted on bareback one day, saying that it felt great for her too. And when we did it, it felt so good that I almost cannot return to covered action, unless it's with strange. My ATF WG also let me BB her. She so hot, and so BBing was such heaven. Is this all stupid? Yes. My two current SBs let me BB them. Both also let me CIP. Is this stupid? Yes. BTW, yes, my SB#1 suddenly texted me yesterday, after dumping me over two weeks ago. We might get back together.[/QUOTE]That's awesome. Not surprised. Like I say her emotional state changed. She realized in her last emotional state she made a bad decision and in her new emotional state she misses you or your money. Heheh. Kudos to her for swallowing her pride and reaching out. You should give her another shot (so to speak) imo.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2508129]Congrats, man! But she's going to fall in love with you! So there'll be drama down the line. Maybe keep reminding her you're married.[/QUOTE]You are quite right. In fact I think she already has. So managing carefully. I felt 100% sure after the first in room date that I didn't need to pay her a dime. That she was having at least as much fun as me. So I intentionally paid her to avoid a pure GF perception. I waited a few days because I didn't want to scare her off (feeling like she's being paid for sex) but then sent her what I would a regular SB. And yeah I've made clear my two hard and fast rules:

We can never be more than BFGF.

She can never know my name or try to find out.

So far so good but I can tell she is perilously into me. Which hasn't happened before.

And I must admit I am super satisfied with her but it’s all around the sex. Even without bareback I’d say she is the most sexually satisfying girl I’ve been with. If she was more my type (Thifany, Alexa, Krystal) I’d be a complete goner.

Has anyone used prepaid credit cards, the kinds with no name on them, to buy an SA membership?

Trying to figure out if possible to get an account without leaving a record.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2508153]That's awesome. Not surprised. Like I say her emotional state changed. She realized in her last emotional state she made a bad decision and in her new emotional state she misses you or your money. Heheh. Kudos to her for swallowing her pride and reaching out. You should give her another shot (so to speak) imo.[/QUOTE]I saw her today. She said that when girls get mad at their boyfriends, then boyfriends have to win them back, and that this takes 5 days of pleading. She said that I gave up too easily, because I stopped after only two days of pleading. So I thanked her for teaching me this lesson, and that in the future I will spend 5 days begging her to take me back each time she gets angry at me. Oh, and she said it's is her personality to get angry all the time. Well, despite the headache, the weird thing is that she is only a pain in the ass when we are not together, so this is easy to handle. When we are together, then it is a great time. So odd, but whatever.

I also told her that I don't look at my phone all the time, like young people do. So, I told her that if I don't reply to her messages right away, then don't get angry. This is what led to our fight a few weeks ago, that led her to delete my contact, because I didn't reply to her text for 5 hours. Today, she still said this is a lie. So then I asked her if her parents look at their phones all day long. She said of course not, because they are old people. I reminded her that I am only a year younger than her parents. Suddenly, she realized that maybe it's true that I don't look at my phone all day, like she and her friends do. I told her that when I was her age, I didn't have a cell phone, which is true. She was stunned, and so she finally accepted it as a legit excuse for my replying to her for 5 hours.

Anyway, we barebacked and I did CIP, so it is all good.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2508198]Has anyone used prepaid credit cards, the kinds with no name on them, to buy an SA membership?

Trying to figure out if possible to get an account without leaving a record.[/QUOTE]I use prepaid cards for SA membership all the time. I also use a fake address. Everything was working well until I forgot the fake address, made up another address and they immediately suspended my membership and then deleted my account. But yes they take prepaid cards.

[QUOTE=Travel902;2508501]I use prepaid cards for SA membership all the time. I also use a fake address. Everything was working well until I forgot the fake address, made up another address and they immediately suspended my membership and then deleted my account. But yes they take prepaid cards.[/QUOTE]Thanks for replying.

So I gather, then, that:

1. I need to choose a fake address.

2. That address is linked to my account, so I need to note it so that I re-use the same one in the future so my account doesn't get suspended.

Is that right?

Does she know that you're married?

When I think back to my SA relationships that eventually turned very ugly, I think in every instance it was because I lied about being single. Some found out that I was married (which is why the relationship became ugly and even scary), but some never found out that I was married (which is why they became devastated when the relationship ended, because they thought we were heading towards possible marriage).

When I first started using SA, I thought the best strategy was to tell them I am divorced or separated, or maybe unhappily married. But now I realize this is a huge mistake. I may have actually learned this lesson from an SA relationship that became ugly. My SB told me that if I had just confessed to being married from the very beginning, then we could have had a great NSA and no drama relationship, but that I ruined it by lying from the beginning and giving her false expectations for the relationship.

With later SA relationships where the SB knew that I was married, they were all pretty much great relationships. I feared that SBs would just treat the relationship as a business if they knew that I was married, but this was not the case at all. I really think many gals have no problems having relationships with married men, without hoping to eventually marry them. I think some of these gals are even relieved at the prospect of not having to marry their SDs. One gal told me that her SD was so in love with her that he was planning on divorcing his wife for her, and this scared her so much that she eventually broke up with him. I think my current SB #1 is even thrilled that I am married. This is because she has no interest in marriage.

Anyway, keep us updated on this relationship. I am always curious as to what might happen when SBs fall in love with their SDs.

Are you still on the road, or is this relationship happening in your home city?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2508156]You are quite right. In fact I think she already has. So managing carefully. I felt 100% sure after the first in room date that I didn't need to pay her a dime. That she was having at least as much fun as me. So I intentionally paid her to avoid a pure GF perception. I waited a few days because I didn't want to scare her off (feeling like she's being paid for sex) but then sent her what I would a regular SB. And yeah I've made clear my two hard and fast rules:

We can never be more than BFGF.

She can never know my name or try to find out.

So far so good but I can tell she is perilously into me. Which hasn't happened before.

And I must admit I am super satisfied with her but its all around the sex. Even without bareback Id say she is the most sexually satisfying girl Ive been with. If she was more my type (Thifany, Alexa, Krystal) Id be a complete goner.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2508630]Does she know that you're married?

When I think back to my SA relationships that eventually turned very ugly, I think in every instance it was because I lied about being single. Some found out that I was married (which is why the relationship became ugly and even scary), but some never found out that I was married (which is why they became devastated when the relationship ended, because they thought we were heading towards possible marriage).

When I first started using SA, I thought the best strategy was to tell them I am divorced or separated, or maybe unhappily married. But now I realize this is a huge mistake. I may have actually learned this lesson from an SA relationship that became ugly. My SB told me that if I had just confessed to being married from the very beginning, then we could have had a great NSA and no drama relationship, but that I ruined it by lying from the beginning and giving her false expectations for the relationship.

With later SA relationships where the SB knew that I was married, they were all pretty much great relationships. I feared that SBs would just treat the relationship as a business if they knew that I was married, but this was not the case at all. I really think many gals have no problems having relationships with married men, without hoping to eventually marry them. I think some of these gals are even relieved at the prospect of not having to marry their SDs. One gal told me that her SD was so in love with her that he was planning on divorcing his wife for her, and this scared her so much that she eventually broke up with him. I think my current SB #1 is even thrilled that I am married. This is because she has no interest in marriage.

Anyway, keep us updated on this relationship. I am always curious as to what might happen when SBs fall in love with their SDs.

Are you still on the road, or is this relationship happening in your home city?[/QUOTE]I agree with you that most girls see you being married as positive — clear NSA from the beginning. But my very first real crush SB date in LA she balked about me being married when we kissed. She knew it ahead but it just hit her. This happens with complete newbies where they might believe they could be a home wrecker and don't want to play that role. More experienced girls realize you are not leaving your wife.

Anyhow with Sarah I played it carefully. I didn't wear my wedding ring because I thought it would make her uncomfortable. Although early on she knew I was in a nonsexual married relationship. I also didn't wear it date 2. But date three I forgot. So we fucked bareback with my ring on. I noticed it and was like doh! She said she noticed it but it doesn't bother her. She's in the middle of a divorce herself.

Yes this is a local gig. My third multi visit local gig (serial).

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2508656]I agree with you that most girls see you being married as positive clear NSA from the beginning. But my very first real crush SB date in LA she balked about me being married when we kissed. She knew it ahead but it just hit her. This happens with complete newbies where they might believe they could be a home wrecker and don't want to play that role. More experienced girls realize you are not leaving your wife.

Anyhow with Sarah I played it carefully. I didn't wear my wedding ring because I thought it would make her uncomfortable. Although early on she knew I was in a nonsexual married relationship. I also didn't wear it date 2. But date three I forgot. So we fucked bareback with my ring on. I noticed it and was like doh! She said she noticed it but it doesn't bother her. She's in the middle of a divorce herself.

Yes this is a local gig. My third multi visit local gig (serial).[/QUOTE]We all lie a little, for many different reasons, but I think when it comes to Marriage, I do think you should be as honest a possible. Not being honest about this could lead to so many problems down the road.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2507957]
If you google the phrase "large study shows that condoms do not work for STDs", your second hit will be the Catholic News Agency saying condoms do not work. Do not let the catholic crap fool you. They are referencing a huge STD study.

On July 20, a report was issued by the USA Department of Health and Human Services. A scientific panel co-sponsored by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the USA Agency for International Development (USAID), developed the report. It was based on a yearlong study in which 28 researchers reviewed 138 peer-reviewed, published studies on the heterosexual transmission of sexually transmitted diseases (STD).

The panel studied condom effectiveness in preventing the eight most prevalent sexually transmitted diseases: HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, chancroid, trichomoniasis, genital herpes, and human papillomavirus (HPV). Condoms were not found to provide universal protection against any of these diseases.

End of quote.

I use medications to prevent STDs if I am not comfortable with the girl. Any guy can legally buy antibiotics abroad or on [URL]alldaychemist.com[/URL].

For pregnancy, anyone can buy plan be which suppresses ovulation. If you use this right after sex, pregnancy prevention is about equal to a condom. I make sure I shoot my babies anywhere but the vagina. As long as I have used this method, I have not gotten a woman pregnant.

Do not offer money. Show the woman you are concerned with your and her safety. It might help if you had a STD panel you could show a woman right off the bat. If you want to be a bit of a dick about it, say that you cannot use condoms because you are allergic to latex.

Honestly, I do think latex allergies are a bigger deal than HIV, but that is how I go about it. If the women do not trust me to go bare, unless they are perfect in every other way, I am done with them. Trust is the cornerstone of the SD SB relationship.[/QUOTE]Referring to this report, which at the time was touted by religious activists to promote SUBSTANANCE EDUCATION on a MONGERING BOARD is beyond ludicrous, but hey, why am I not surprised?

Look, I'm not sitting on a high horse. If you can't live without barebacking, it's your risks and the risks your partner can knowingly take, but the study you're referencing took place in 2001 - almost 20 years ago. Something you forgot to mention for whatever reason.

Didn't find UNIVERSAL protection? Sure, even 1% failure makes it less than universal. For HIV, that's 15%.

Sure 85% effectiveness is worse than 100%, but I'll fucking take it vs zero.

""The report doesn't make clear enough that condoms should be close to 100 percent effective in preventing gonorrhea in women, chlamydia and trichomoniasis," said Jeff Spieler, one of 28 panel members who helped prepare the report and an official at the USA Agency for International Development.

Spieler agreed that the strongest evidence for the effectiveness of condoms is for preventing pregnancy and HIV infection, as well as gonorrhea in men, and that the evidence is not as strong for other diseases such as chlamydia, gonorrhea in women, genital herpes, syphilis, chancroid and the human papillomavirus. But Spieler and others said there is no reason to believe condoms are not protective against those diseases as well.

"There is an opportunity for some people to read the report and say, inappropriately, that even the Department of Health and Human Services admits we don't know if condoms prevent many STDs," Spieler said. "As somebody who is completely devoted to improving public health, I know that any message that minimizes the role and importance of correct and consistent condom use can have an extremely negative effect on preventing HIV and other STDs. ".

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/07/20/report-questions-condoms-disease-prevention-ability/73ed1ef6-6908-47e1-84c2-9e38f6876dd3/[/URL]

Here is an NIH quote from 2018.

"In 2000, NIAID conducted a rigorous review of scientific evidence on latex condoms to determine their efficacy in preventing the spread of HIV. The review included epidemiologic and laboratory studies, both of which conclusively demonstrated that the correct and consistent use of male latex condoms decreased the risk of HIV transmission by approximately 85 percent, providing a high degree of protection against infection. ".

[URL]https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/condom-use[/URL]

Your life. Your risks, but stop spreading BS to support your lifestyle choices.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2508536]Thanks for replying.

So I gather, then, that:

1. I need to choose a fake address.

2. That address is linked to my account, so I need to note it so that I re-use the same one in the future so my account doesn't get suspended.

Is that right?[/QUOTE]That is correct.

I only join for 1 month at a time, so when I rejoin I usually have a new card and it always requires me to fill out my address;.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2507922]What would make a working girl agree to BBFS? Do you offer extra $ for that? I've read a bunch of reports recently where guys bareback left and right.

I don't get it. Every time I propose it I get a huge NO. I'm healthy and maintain good hygiene, but no luck. My understanding is girls do not like to take pills because it fucks up their hormone system, therefore they prefer to have covered sex and be safe.

Damn, i even had to order these expensive 0.01 polyurethane condoms from Japan for my next trip, a friend of mine said they are so thin you don't feel them on[/QUOTE]I personally never suggest it. I let the woman take the I initiative, that's how I know she's mentally (and emotionally) prepared for it.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2508102]
As for the super thin Asian condoms, they are worth every bit if you can fit into them. The are quite inflexible, so, it you don't fit, they can be expanded like latex. However, they are strong and they have great feeling--especially if you don't have to worry about the unexpected. Their greatest feature is heat transmission. You can simply feel her temperature and that can be sensational with the right woman. I know of a person where I can feel her passion by her temperature. The best feature is they are super slippery. Very little natural or synthetic lubrication is required. That lets you fuck for a long time and you can slip into the smallest holes with no problem. At times, they can be better than barebacking. When a woman does not have to worry about pregnancy and disease, she can enjoy the moment. That can lead to sex on and off for a whole day and wanting more at night. Always look at the big picture. More sex is always better.[/QUOTE]Do you have brand names.

[QUOTE=Travel902;2508501]I use prepaid cards for SA membership all the time. I also use a fake address. Everything was working well until I forgot the fake address, made up another address and they immediately suspended my membership and then deleted my account. But yes they take prepaid cards.[/QUOTE]I've been using pre-paid debit card for the last several years (I can't imagine using personally identifying info on that site). I've run into problems several times with payment processing, including getting locked out of the account, but was always was able to get it fixed by emailing SA support. Be polite. They were always helpful to me, and seem to understand the score. The payment processing security is just a computer algorithm that reacts to whatever discrepancies it's programmed to find, so if you get blocked, don't assume there's a wizard behind the curtains divining your nefarious intent. As others have reported, what works best now is to pick a large apartment complex in your area and use that address for entering payment info, with a One Vanilla card. But yeah, remember to write it down. Thanks to this thread, I realized I forgot to do that on my last renewal, and just went through my browser history to find my map search (success!

[QUOTE=Oneminuteboy;2509097]I personally never suggest it. I let the woman take the I initiative, that's how I know she's mentally (and emotionally) prepared for it.[/QUOTE]Makes sense. But I have never been offered BBFS by a woman. If I don't take the initiative, it is not going to happen.

I am primarily using SA for Medellin. The forum there is a combination of pros and non-pros. I am trying to figure out the set of questions I should ask, cues I should look for to filter out the pros. Would love to get insight on how you go about doing that.