Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2477508]There are varying degrees of skepticism. On the most extreme spectrum, you have conspiracy theorists. Who believe the coronavirus is a hoax. Others simply believe that the virus is real but the dangers have been greatly exaggerated. For some Americans who lean conservative, the virus was weaponized to destroy the economy and ruin Trump's chance at re-election. Some non-believers are apolitical but have a strong distrust of authority and the mainstream media. Their world revolves around the idea that a small group of elites, usually "big pharma", the government, or some other evil force is trying to create panic, and make the population easier to control, manipulate, and brainwash. I could maybe entertain the latter that idea. Throughout history, religions have sometimes been used to control and manipulate populations, if for instance, the king needed to get his subjects to support a war. Implausible but if the coronavirus is indeed a global conspiracy, it would be unprecedented in scale, with millions of collaborators. Nobody would grow a conscience and blow the whistle?[/QUOTE]When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state.

In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2477708]When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state.

In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.[/QUOTE]Very well stated.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2477694]Its a no to discussing with you. I didn't pay attention to what you were writing. The same can be said about 20 quotations in your last post. Tldr.[/QUOTE]Yes, not reading things to completion and thus understanding was already known. No need to reiterate said point.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2477708]When you call something a conspiracy theory, you are already condemning the subscriber to that theory in a way. By definition, conspiracy theory is a pejorative and an insult. If one is a true conspiracy theorist, there is no reasoning with that person. Evidence, absence of absence, contradictory evidence are all supportive of his theory to such a person. Since you pointed to US conservatives, I will say a section of that group has the belief now that there is a deep state. You simply cannot argue with that theory because it is based on a faith. If Flynn is convicted in a court, it is because the court is part of deep state. If there is evidence presented in the court supportive of Flynn's guilt then the evidence itself is proof that deep state is behind all the sinister actions and is capable of producing fake evidence. If no evidence is presented, then it proves the existence of deep state in another way, and if an exculpatory evidence is presented to exonerate Flynn somehow, it is not merely a victory for Flynn personally but a huge setback for the deep state. [/QUOTE]If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a pejorative duck.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2477708]In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.[/QUOTE]In a way, the advent of internet communication hinders a strong democracy. I don't think that western society, on average, has become less informed over the years, how could it? Information is more readily available. The problem is your latter condition, intellectual maturity. Digital communication has created many platforms in which people who share similar agendas can congregate and disseminate information, misinformation, or bias information, thus creating an environment that fosters pack / herd mentality. It's so much easier these days to form factions or coalitions because false information or flawed thought processes can spread so much quicker without being properly vetted. Unfortunately, people seem to quickly grasp to ideas that either quickly align with their prior thought process or in recent discussion here, sexy sounding conspiracy theories that may make one feel special or uniquely enlightened. It's all due to laziness of thought and unwillingness to individually vet the data and form one's own thought process. It has been my experience which is reinforced time and time again, that when intellectually challenged, people will always follow the path that requires the least amount of brainpower and personal reckoning.

And selfish. Self sacrifice is not a popular western practice. A little individual inconvenience for a greater common good seems to be asking too much for most western societies, particularly those of the British-American persuasion.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2477622]When I first used the service of prostitutes in the 1970's I never used a condom and banged many bare backed. After AIDS condom use became normal. So it seems that post covid mask use condom for face is the new normal. So if after covid there is a new virus that infects through the entire body this would become the next normal: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asouPYvrUtY[/URL].[/QUOTE]I agree for condom and not only about but of course not to catch HIV because I m sure then I won t be anymore able to climb my mountains, a bit worst than falling in anemia, when exhausting body, and also I don t want a girl come to me and say: I have a little problem here about You. But sex without kissing is no interest for me, so I can t with mask, and also since confined, I increased my level of expectation, I don t want sex, I want much more, I want to dream, so I need beauty and even much more. After yesterday, even she is a elegant beauty, was always lovely with me, and a real pleasure to make her really cum with not the faintest doubt because you can t touch her then, but the prettiest girl at Globe, German but too much at work for me, even really good manners and more interesting than average to talk, despite really enjoyable in bed, but out of sex, she didn't make me dream for first time, and that s not enough for what I look for, have to find a new beauty able to make me dream, and of course with no mask, I enjoy too much oral. Very good point with this German, she uses very thin condom so could really feel inside her and when I finish she keeps me inside of her, I decide when I want to go out, but best pleasure is in my mind. Even a lovely, good mannered, sweet, sophisticated for look and body care beauty, but German at work. Even not same level for look and for sex, but I found Anna. Ro Wellcum more interesting as woman for how she improved for me, despite 2 German orgasmus yesterday.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477833]If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a pejorative duck.

In a way, the advent of internet communication hinders a strong democracy. I don't think that western society, on average, has become less informed over the years, how could it? Information is more readily available. The problem is your latter condition, intellectual maturity. Digital communication has created many platforms in which people who share similar agendas can congregate and disseminate information, misinformation, or bias information, thus creating an environment that fosters pack / herd mentality. It's so much easier these days to form factions or coalitions because false information or flawed thought processes can spread so much quicker without being properly vetted. Unfortunately, people seem to quickly grasp to ideas that either quickly align with their prior thought process or in recent discussion here, sexy sounding conspiracy theories that may make one feel special or uniquely enlightened. It's all due to laziness of thought and unwillingness to individually vet the data and form one's own thought process. It has been my experience which is reinforced time and time again, that when intellectually challenged, people will always follow the path that requires the least amount of brainpower and personal reckoning.[/QUOTE]In the end all views are subjective. One person's tried and tested theory may be another's conspiracy theory. In the long run what is required is honesty. People who are false and know that they are false are the greatest threat to the world.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2478022]In the end all views are subjective. One person's tried and tested theory may be another's conspiracy theory. In the long run what is required is honesty. People who are false and know that they are false are the greatest threat to the world.[/QUOTE]More oppression and carnage in this world has resulted from people who sincerely believed falsehoods than anything else. Looks like you were napping in history class. Also hyper relativism, though a popuar fad at present is horseshit. Objective truth exists, and is commonly found in mathematics, the natural sciences, and in historical facts that can be readily established. There's also other examples.

Those who believe the current Covid conspiracy theories are typically sincere. And they never listen the other side because they are inoculated, are told that those who offer such contrary information are the bad guys.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477667]"People who feel powerless may also endorse conspiracy theories as they also help the individual avoid blame for their predicament. In this sense, conspiracy theories give a sense of meaning, security and control".

"Due to these individuals feeling alienated from their peers, they may also turn to conspiracist groups for a sense of belonging and community, or to marginalized subcultures. " -side note, participants in this hobby and thus this forum probably also fall under the marginalized subculture group making it more likely that you'll run into the psychological subgroup being discussed.[/QUOTE]We belong to a monger subculture, yes, but I do not really see us as marginalized, other than our hobby not being universally legal. Do people on marijuana forums also pin the blame on an enemy, like a lot of us here blame the feminists? Isn't P6 difficult to find (or illegal) in most Muslim countries? Those places aren't known feminist strongholds. To me, mongering is something between a hobby and lifestyle. But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2477667]And selfish. Self sacrifice is not a popular western practice. A little individual inconvenience for a greater common good seems to be asking too much for most western societies, particularly those of the British-American persuasion.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't you have to convince the population to agree on a "greater common good" in the first place? British and Americans made sacrifices during WWII. No social media back then.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2477708]In my view, the weirdly political reactions to Corona in the west are concerning signs that our democratic systems are fraying at the edges. A strong democracy needs a mature and informed and rational population and some of the recent discussions in our society suggest that we have reasons to be concerned for sustainability of this.[/QUOTE]Like Mursenary stated, Internet allows anyone to have a platform. A few decades ago, you had a few TV channels, and an oligarchy of influencers and gatekeepers (newscasters, Hollywood studios).

People who feel left behind may be more susceptible to radicalisation. Part of this is the fact that wages across the Western world for working class people have been stagnant for decades. Millennials graduated into the financial crisis in 2008 and now they are facing a second economic crisis.

[QUOTE]How Many Americans Believe In Conspiracy Theories?

And while 40% of younger Americans believe the true rulers of the world are the superrich, only 24% of older Americans support this view.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2020/06/29/how-many-americans-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/#311300195e94.[/QUOTE]

1. The term conspiracy theories was coined by an international pr agency in order to reduce the impact of theories considered harmful for well integrated PR agencies. Who gets paid for their work of course.

2. There is no deep state. Just people doing everything they can in their own field of work to earn as much money as possible.

3. Mursenary is right about one thing. The polarization on the internet. This is called red feed. Blue feed. That term would save you 8 sentences. Phrases and terms like this is very useful and even the usage of terms and phrases in all fields of study is also a rhetorical way of implying an order of knowledge. And psychologically most people buy into this. Thus another very important thing in the pr industry is to always coin new phrases and terms.

4. Everything you read is subjective ideas from some random point of view. Especially news reports due to the choices they make in picking the news, and rewriting it before publishing it.

5. Red feed. Blue feed is as much a result of monetization and internet algorithms as much as smaller islands of individuals finding like-minded on a large WWW.

6. The internet is an evolution humanity would have go through inevitably anyway. And the ironing out of democracy in our new information age is not a sign of deterioration, but of a new paradigm where information is free. Lack of humanity's education level is however the one big obstacle. Because right now, most, if not all people in this world is not smart enough to evaluate everything we read or hear in this new way of life.

7. Selfishness and lack of abundance due to capitalism is the base problem causing people to lie in order to get an upper hand. Machiavellian ideas are just a result of such. (How the prince can fool his people). Besides Niccolo Machiavelli is a pronounced author and one of the most important names within political statehood, and that field of study. So if anyone believes there are no such policies in this world, then good lord they don't know much!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2478029]We belong to a monger subculture, yes, but I do not really see us as marginalized, other than our hobby not being universally legal. Do people on marijuana forums also pin the blame on an enemy, like a lot of us here blame the feminists? Isn't P6 difficult to find (or illegal) in most Muslim countries? Those places aren't known feminist strongholds. To me, mongering is something between a hobby and lifestyle. But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage.


Like Mursenary stated, Internet allows anyone to have a platform. A few decades ago, you had a few TV channels, and an oligarchy of influencers and gatekeepers (newscasters, Hollywood studios).

People who feel left behind may be more susceptible to radicalisation. Part of this is the fact that wages across the Western world for working class people have been stagnant for decades. Millennials graduated into the financial crisis in 2008 and now they are facing a second economic crisis.[/QUOTE]"But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage".

There is NO righteous path or a wrong path. It is a personal choice. How is a personal choice about sex life supposed to indicate anything Re: enlightenment of that person? That is one kooky theory. Not that you advocated it. I am married and it works for me in some ways; I am cheating and it is my personal choice. I don't claim to be enlightened or depraved or whatever, and my choice is none of any other people's business either. Just like what other mongers or even non-mongers do in their life is not my concern.

Mongers are definitely not marginalized. That is just a victimhood complex, I guess these days everyone wants to imagine himself as a victim. First of all if someone is able to monger consistently, it indicates that man has sufficient economic means. Hardly a sign of a marginalized person in society. Secondly, yeah, you can't have everything you want in life. A country definitely has a right to compose and enforce its own laws, including laws on prostitution. If you are a citizen and those laws suck for you, as they do for me in my homeland of US, tough luck. Could be much worse. I could be a Chinese dood and not have many personal freedoms, A Uighur and not able to walk across the street w / o being tracked by the Commie Chinese govt or a woman born in a Moslem nation like Afghanistan / Saudi Arabia / Pakistan Etc. Now, THOSE are marginalized. Not a man with a good job in the western societies plush with Enough cash to fuck 6 girls per night in Oase.

As for internet and radicalization, etc. Internet and social media may be amplifying and accelerating some trends but if one is so easily inclined to readily subscribe to crazy conspiracy theories, I would not be rationalizing their craziness by blaming it on technology. This goes back to the victimhood complex, or others wanting to see victims when there are only crazies. For instance, this QAnon stuff. Apparently a whole bunch of people believe a guy called Q will come up as a messiah and clean up this world. This bunch also believes some really weird stuff per media reports, including that Bill Gates is a vampire And drinks children's blood or that Bill Gates wants to put a chip in everybody and control them and so on. Occasionally, I see one of these guys even post in WSJ comments, and it is a publication where the average subscriber has an annual income of $160,000. Hardly someone that you would call marginalized or left behind. My point: if someone is crazy enough to jettison common sense and a rational brain and subscribe to obviously outlandish and bizarre ideas, it is because that person is crazy and not because of technology or this and that.

P.S. Thank you very much, Mr. Paulie97.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2478029]We belong to a monger subculture, yes, but I do not really see us as marginalized, other than our hobby not being universally legal. Do people on marijuana forums also pin the blame on an enemy, like a lot of us here blame the feminists? Isn't P6 difficult to find (or illegal) in most Muslim countries? Those places aren't known feminist strongholds. To me, mongering is something between a hobby and lifestyle. But I do not believe I am on this righteous path. Or that I am somehow more enlightened, and everyone else is a brainwashed, blue piller who fell for the deception of marriage.

Wouldn't you have to convince the population to agree on a "greater common good" in the first place? British and Americans made sacrifices during WWII. No social media back then.

Like Mursenary stated, Internet allows anyone to have a platform. A few decades ago, you had a few TV channels, and an oligarchy of influencers and gatekeepers (newscasters, Hollywood studios).
[/QUOTE]Well you are right in that mongering is not marginalized as it was never in the boundary of play to begin with. Being a marginalized subculture requires a nominal degree of mainstream acceptance. In our present culture, mongering is outright excluded from the get-go. For most, mongering is not a subculture, but for people who post on these forums frequently, it is on the fringe of a subculture in their (our) own realities.

In the past, British-American (western) causes were cemented into mainstream culture perhaps due to lack of a plurality of dissenting positions.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2478027]More oppression and carnage in this world has resulted from people who sincerely believed falsehoods than anything else. Looks like you were napping in history class. Also hyper relativism, though a popuar fad at present is horseshit. Objective truth exists, and is commonly found in mathematics, the natural sciences, and in historical facts that can be readily established. There's also other examples.

Those who believe the current Covid conspiracy theories are typically sincere. And they never listen the other side because they are inoculated, are told that those who offer such contrary information are the bad guys.[/QUOTE]If you do at all you must not just read the history books, you must think. People who caused the greatest destruction in the world did it out of greed and / or lust for power. Their utterances were concocted to achieve their ends, they did not actually believe what they were saying. Do not digress, we are not talking about mathematics and science, we are talking about history, or perhaps you learnt world history in mathematics class. So called objective truth regarding human behavior is subjective opinion.

[URL]https://youtu.be/PZP16RxSvWE[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Turgid;2478206]If you do at all you must not just read the history books, you must think. People who caused the greatest destruction in the world did it out of greed and / or lust for power. Their utterances were concocted to achieve their ends, they did not actually believe what they were saying. Do not digress, we are not talking about mathematics and science, we are talking about history, or perhaps you learnt world history in mathematics class. So called objective truth regarding human behavior is subjective opinion.[/QUOTE]I believe that you are speaking about the leaders while the previous poster had the followers in mind. The oligarchies and autocratic figures throughout history probably knew better but the fools that follow them probably actually believed the bogus conspiracy theories. What's happening in America at the moment is a prime example, 1930's Germany another. It's just more reinforcement that the masses are bored and intellectually lazy which makes them proned to be sold these crockpot theories.