Kyiv

Hi pals.

I'm coming to Kiev next month to meet some girl I got contact through some websites, I could consider them as semi pro but you never know. My fear is about people from ukraine against brown people, I have latino roots and I heard many weirds stories about murders and intolerance people. So please let me know where I should stay in Kiev and another information is more than welcome

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[QUOTE=Jorge Rad10; 1409608]Hi pals.

I'm coming to Kiev next month to meet some girl I got contact through some websites, I could consider them as semi pro but you never know. My fear is about people from ukraine against brown people, I have latino roots and I heard many weirds stories about murders and intolerance people. So please let me know where I should stay in Kiev and another information is more than welcome

Best[/QUOTE]Ukraine and Russia may be more violent than Western Europe but probably still safer than many cities in South America, Africa or Asia. I have noticed once in Caribbean, a couple of guys making inappropriate gesture towards two Swedish blacks. They were promptly removed by the over aggressive bouncers.

I think as long as you use your common sense, stick to the city centre and arrange meetings in public places you should be OK.

I suggest you meet at public places or your hotel unless you know the girl personally. I would definitely not go to someone house unless I know them personally or through a reference regardless of their colour, ethnicity, religion or country.

[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1397425]July? Rule one: cis people do not plan the future. They take a million now and do not wait until next week to have two.

Be nice, not agressive. You have lots of time. Compliment the girls, build a list of somewhat 100 favorites and then days before you go massmail them all with copypaste and fix the date. And get their number then. The real girls will not disappear, only the fake ones go. It is very hard to get the number off a girl for next weekend. It is now, or not!

Don't overpay. 100 is a good basis, usually one hour. I tend to agree the price, then tell them they must stay 2-3 hours just before meeting me. 90 perc. Agreeto that.

You come in a bad time. Rent is paid by then, and next rent is faaaaar away (see cis mentality above)

Do not ask for services. They all think they are not hookers, and you would not ask a student on the street for the menue, but just take her home and see what happens. You can find girls who do BBBJ, most do, or pissing (rare) , or true lesbian (rare, as not really accepted in cis). All that belongs to the second date anyhow.

Do not worry about your friend. In some weeks, you have enough numbers to set him up.

Be polize, now spend ime on compliments, build trust, then hit (see above) 3 weeks before going.

Summer in Kiev is easy. You will find a nice girl on the street if you are unlucky on manba. Or at the beaches.

Do not 'book' girls in advance, you will regret' every agenda gets fucked up in cis, they are always late. And you will mess up. Do not agree with one girl for 2-3 days in a row, you will get bored and regret as you will see others.[/QUOTE]Just catching up with the Kyiv thread after a long while away, and a few new names I see. I have to say this is one of the best posts I read in a while from someone I don't know! All very sound advice.

[QUOTE=Stevk1;1397724]If my previous post came across as promoting Budda bar it was not my intention, I agree that the place is shit I was simply trying to say that although the girls their ask for lots of money you don't have to pay what they want if you are prepared to put a little time and effort in. As I wrote before the best place to find p4p in Kiev is everywhere. I have found girls in every pub and nightclub I have been in, I use Mamba and some of the escort sites mentioned on this forum. Talking to girls in the street and coffee shops also works. As for your quote about slavic girls being very vain and proper I have to agree, (I was married to one for 5 years). I would have to describe myself as fat, bald and fugly. I dress ok but I'm not a dedicated follower of fashion. (Maybe this is the secret to success in Kiev because I do very well there) with both freebies and cheap p4p. My Russian language ability is around 10 words and Ukrainian 0. But I do understand women. Regarding Kiev as being an expensive place to live as a westerner I would say that apart from the accommodation it is no more expensive than living at home.[/QUOTE]StevK, apartments same as at home? They are great and cheap. Especially if you develop relationship with an agency as a frequent visitor. And you can eat really well in Puzata Hata or similar places for a pittance. Even the pivo's cheap here, and now it's even easier for tourists as most dishes have English translations alongside Ukr. And boy was it difficult a few years ago!

Buddha Bar. Yep shit. Cruiser D, Hunter Dave, Barba, LJ. There is a reason none of the most helpful and informative people here don't write about BB.

And more than physical looks, it is about confidence and dress sense in Kyiv with devushki. You can be short fat and bald, but dress well, act confident, and you will still do ok.

And coffee shops are perfect. So easy to politely hit on girls. I have such fond memories of one encounter when I fancied one girl on a table of 4 giggling students, and ended up with her and her friend in my bed."a present" only mentioned when we were in a taxi on the way back to my apartment!

But SHota Rostaveli is my failure. One gorgeous waitress in a coffee shop, and one super sexy in a snack restaurant on there, and despite chats, smiles, SMS, I did not manage to get either into bed. Note to self: I really should steer clear of the workers and stick to studentki.

[QUOTE=Protocol; 1400865]Just catching up on the forums.

Saw some people posting about the "asking for rent money."

I have been chatting with some girls on mamba, actually just looking for normal dates and getting to know people for travel.

I had one girl I spoke with a couple of times do the "I need money for rent" thing. Big emergency of course, going to get thrown out. Anyway I told her sorry I didn't run around sending western union to people I don't know. That got an explosion of "you think all girls are out for money" etc. Complete over reaction.

Too bad as she was a nice looking girl. I didn't bother responding just blocked her. More people should do this and then maybe it would stop, but it's got to be working with some guys or else it wouldn't be catching on like a fever.

Next thing you know they're going to be asking for money to help with the sick water buffalo back on the farm.[/QUOTE]Nu the. Same as the "marriage agencies".

I know girls who have profiles on some of the more respectable ones, and some girls who work for these agencies just spend all day writing pretending to be one of the girls, and the sad victims pay for each letter they send and each one they read I believe.

The translators in some agencies are told to ask for cash for rent, or mother's operation, or the water buffalo!

And the girls quickly learn they can do it just as well as the agencies and get all the money themselves.

But hey. Survival of the fittest. If guys are stupid enough to pay for marriage agencies, or letters, or send money to some fake they don't even know exists, then let them waste their money.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1402775]It's silly how stacked up you can get on the last day.

On the last day of my last trip to Kiev I said fck it. Girls wanted to meet and I just told them to come but there might be other girls here, I'm a popular man and it's my last night in Kiev. At one point I had four girls in my apartment at the same time. Starting from 0400 that morning I had 4 girls, spaced a few hours apart, the night ended in a threesome. It was awesome.

The new crop of rent girls don't want to practice fair trade, they just want to 'borrow' rent money.[/QUOTE]Pizdets! Cruiser. Only once a year do I read something and think "fuck, why didn't I think of that?"

Awesome. Agree it's probably harder now, but I will try the tactic next month!

Indeed I could be having 2 or 3 "last nights")

[QUOTE=Barba; 1409136]When readingn IL's post I can not help to think of Young Masha who has a bf and does not want my money. Why does she sit and wait for me on VK? Why does she go out of her way to see me? Sex is great but she is 19 and I could be her dad. Is she just an attention starved nerd, bored with her physics studies and her shitty cheap life? It puzzles me. She knows I am almost married. In any case she is really sweet and I can actually feel a light stir inside when I think of her silk soft, wet, warm, sweet smelling, tight teen vagina. This is the second girl I have met in UA that is not a p4p or semi pro girl. I can easily see how a man can get lost here forever. Lovely feminin creaturs. Like pinays with brains and bigger ass.

A coupe of weeks ago I had one of my female friends in Davao saying to me "wait, she is too tight for you since she is a virgin. Let me play with her clitoris and make her wet before you press it in". After I fucked her and filled her ultra tight young (just legal) pussy with cum, I concluded that she was not a virgin and she admitted that she had sex with a guy some months ago. It was still an extremely erotic experience to open this young, shy, tight girl while her big sisters best friend "helped" her to get wet and ready and to open her legs so I could access her small vagina. It took just seconds before she was dripping wet, with her tiny nipples erect. All three of is naked under the sheet, Barba slowly working t-rex ball deep in her little pussy, and her breathing heavily from lust.

Being a serial monger and sex addict I naturally want to bury my cock in a virgin or almost virgin in UA as well, but this seems to be light years away. Or at least years away. It takes time and devotion to build networks. Have two 19 year old girls that I will see (and have seen). Inexperienced but I am not the first, that is for sure. I will not ask anyone here to share contacts with such a girl, since I know it is a bigger chance to win the lottery. But maybe some juicy story? Am I the only one that likes to fuck inexperienced teens (as well as experienced f*ck artists)? I know some guys like to take what they think is moral high ground and full of pride state that they prefer someone that is 25 and well trained, but I always think that this is either because they can not get anyone younger or because the guy does not have knowledge or stamina to do the work. Maybe I am wrong but this is what I think always.

B.[/QUOTE]Haha, BarbaP you know me. We are of similar mind and wicked intentions.

Legal and inexperienced is the goal. I thought I found such a girl (table of 3 shy stunners in some cheap restaurant last visit) but during a great evening, some touching, outrageous flirting, and exchange of numbers and vK details, I checked her profile when I was in the toilet and found she was 17, and one of her friends 16. Christ they really looked 19-20 as they said they were.

I made a swift exit fearing some tap on the shoulder and a blackmail situation or worse. I don't know whether to be thankful or not for vK, but next day I got a message from one of her friends who was there with us telling me I was "a sicko".

[QUOTE=TheKnight; 1410176]Pizdets! Cruiser. Only once a year do I read something and think "fuck, why didn't I think of that?"

Awesome. Agree it's probably harder now, but I will try the tactic next month!

Indeed I could be having 2 or 3 "last nights") [/QUOTE]As I also posted. It's a game changer."Scarcity" only creates demand. If they say "not on the 1st night", don't forget to say "1st night? It's your only night"

Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.

[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1409373]Barba,

Clear your fucking (mail) box![/QUOTE]Mailbox cleared.

B.

[QUOTE=Stevk1;1410605]Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.[/QUOTE]Very brief, very informative FR Excellent. I am planning to visit in May or early June and would certainly try it. The minimum I got from Budha bar was USD 150 for two hours. These prices were only available on mamba or certian web sites

[QUOTE=Stevk1;1410605]Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.[/QUOTE]Your info seems mixed up, or has a typo. The Vodka Bar is open from 12 noon until 6:00 AM. So in your post you are perforce saying that the student girls you speak of are staying at the club until around 11:30 PM in the evening (since the club is not open at 11:30 AM in the morning). If so your next statement makes no sense, when you say this is because these student girls must go to University at 12:00. You can't be referring to 12:00 AM or midnite, since the university is not having classes in the middle of the night. So you must be referring to 12:00 PM or 12:00 noon. If so, what are you saying? That student girls stay at the Vodka Bar until 11:30 PM in the evening because they must go to university at 12 noon the next day? It makes no sense. So please correct whatever typo or error there is in your reporting, because otherwise we will have to assume that the rest of your representations are bullshit also.

[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1410750]Very brief, very informative FR Excellent. I am planning to visit in May or early June and would certainly try it. The minimum I got from Budha bar was USD 150 for two hours. These prices were only available on mamba or certian web sites[/QUOTE]Another suspect report. If people were getting low prices like $150/2hours at Buddha Bar, no one would be complaining. Your claim of getting a price of $150/2 hours at Buddha Bar, stands in stark contrast of most others who report much higher prices being demanded by the prima donna p4p girls who routinely inhabit this club and demand high prices such as $500 / hour or $400 / hour which maybe can be negotiated down to $300/2 hours, making these girls a worse investment than girls at a strip club. If even $200/2 hours was routinely possible at the Buddha Bar, it would not have been placed on the Cruiser D "no go" list of places, as it would have remained comparable to other clubs he recommended. So your claims of getting prices of $150/2hours at Buddha Bar mean that either things there have suddenly radically changed for an unknown reason, or that you are the best negotiator with prostitutes that ever lived, or that there is a typo in your report, or that it is inaccurate.

Therefore, confirmation from other reports by other members is needed to confirm the facts existing at Buddha Bar. Have the prices for p4p at Buddha Bar gone down radically from an approximate minimum of $300/2hours to a lower more acceptable rate of $200/2 hours or even below that to $150/2hours as claimed by Global Surfer. If the prices have gone down at Buddha Bar as claimed, then it should be a club that is recommended as ok for mongering, and should not be scorned as too high priced. (Sorry, not liking the decor of a club is not sufficient reason to remove a club from recommended places to monger when the girls are beautiful and the prices acceptable.) Have things changed for the better at Buddha Bar as claimed by Global Surfer?

[QUOTE=Stevk1;1410605]Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.[/QUOTE]I presume you mean they stay all night with you (Until 11:30) as they then go to university.

[QUOTE=Stevk1;1410605]Just a quick report to let people know that at the moment in Vodka bar, the general asking price is $200. For the night. This can very easily be negotiated down to $100 for the night. There must be a big downturn in trade at the moment. Most of these girls are students and stay until around 11:30 because the go to University at 12:00.[/QUOTE]There is certainly a mini crisis going on at the moment. Prices lower, girls more actively seeking help etc.

I can't confirm the BB prices as I have no intention of going there again. Barmen think they have celebrity status. Girls have pussies of gold. On a research mission there a few years ago. 1 girl quoted $300 which I politely declined. Her response was "Why, $300 is too much for you?" with some serious attitude. I just said "No, $300 is too much for you". I am almost never rude to the girls and usually reply "No thank you, I live in Kiev". They know the meaning of that.

The truth is that only about 10% of "working girls" are really hard core. Often enough, good treatment, some respect and a good time will get you the semi-pros for free. Maybe not the 1st time but usually on 2nd or 3rd meetings. There would be some motivation in them acting like this, it could be that their flat mate needs the apartment to herself that night, it could be that the rent has already been paid and they are "off the clock" so to speak or it could be that their hostel, which they share with 5 other girls has no TV and want to watch something on yours. Who cares the reason, just go with the flow.