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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2251369]Many thanks. This is helpful. I might even consider 2 out of three nights at Sharks then. I was in Spain also last weekend but on the Costa del Sol and posted a report on 4 clubs. I believe Vive in Madrid is now 240/ hour. Haven't mongered in Barcelona for about 10 years. Would be interested to know why you, as an experienced monger, felt out of your depth. I'm determined to get to Pigmalion in Madrid at some point.

Anyway. Back to Germany and Sharks. Might do Friday and Saturday and venture to Mainhattan or Palace on the Thursday. Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]I had a blast in BCN.

The SM board is excellent, I like Slumi as well. Except Devorah's Most of the popular advertised brothels have BBBJ upsell but the section " pisos <100 has excellent girls all with detailed reviews.

As to Madrid I recently read a great report on Pigmallion, enjoy!

And I hope you enjoy Mainhatten if you go. :D

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2251180]Whoa. How did my name get mixed up in this? Sorry, Optimist. Is now Encyclopedia "MrHo"tannica your main source to attribute quotes to me?

In future, it might be a good idea for you to do a bit more diligence before quoting someone. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]Apologies if I misread the implications of your posts. I did put in the caveat. You are right in that I do not have time to give the discussions in this thread the time they deserve, so I am aware of the potential pitfalls which await me, but on this occasion I appear, from your view, to have fallen right in one.

Sorry if I misrepresented you. It was at least not negative.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2251186]Here is the fuckjob though. When I change the search to my home airport with a connection through New York, the fare jumps to $1,500. And the flight from where I live to New York is a not a long flight.[/QUOTE]Some other ones I found from other cities in USA. All to destinations in Europe that are close to DE and / or offer decent mongering options compared to "sex prison" USA. Ranging from $291-$430. All in February, March timeframe.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2251213]This whole "you others are brainwashed" thing sounds like an excuse for deficient social skills. You're young so it's not too late to learn; you just have to be humble enough to admit it first then worm on it.[/QUOTE]Hmmm that is stereo typed based on nothing though, deflect social skill? I think I do not have such deflect and in fact, I am more presentable appearance than most people because I am rather educated and know how to dress and well knowledge both in school and also I traveled a lot since young age, so I fortunately experienced many different culture. Plus to add I born in G7 nation where society is more civilized with easy access to many prestige things whether it is products, service or cultures etc.

However, if you say brain wash, then we all are brain wash in one way or another including me and you even we both have different opinion. I hope I am awakening something in side your brain with this. We all pick information that suit us for our own version of happiness, but there are majority thinking and minority thinking and it is fair to say you are majority and I am minority here even we both had similar input about we need to have human connection with women who we have sex with.

I think as long as you are not extremely harming others, then it is OK to think like you or me, or whatever one want to think to be happy, this is my opinion.

I am good with girls, I told you I am pretty presentable guy with knowledge based on experience of travelling and education and I love clothes, but what I mean is that I do not like such emotional connection with women because it tire me out so much talking about all those thing just to get her into bed. I do not think what I am saying is social skill defect, but what I have may have other naming if you want to label it.

Maybe what I have is hating irrationality in things whether it is things or people or service, maybe this is more appropriate term that social skill defect as you label it.

I understand you that you like to chat with women, have connection emotionally that lead to more feeling based deep sex or whatever, I have done that before too, but comparison to just dirty sex, I prefer dirty sex, this is my preference, and hey when I had such emotional based deep sex with women I connected as in I dated, I get so tired of going to places, talking to her first thing in the morning when I wake up or after sex I got to sweet talk to her etc. I get tired of doing that because it is irrational to me.

And this is society norm to force other taste into one set rule as you say humble enough to learn? Learn what? Like how you or majority think and I have to follow that about emotional connection with women I have sex with? Well I know what that is, but I do not want to implement that to my life, I know what that is and as I explained above, I do not like such thing or mindset to me, so I do not think me or anybody should be humble enough? To be forced into learn such thing as you say about being blocked box of society norm forced thinking, no thank you, and what make you think other people should learn about how you or majority think is right about emotional connection with girl whom we have sex with? It is interesting, let me know why I or anyone should learn this as you say we should learn? We know, but some of us do not want to.

This is inside box thinking how you think and I know that Takedown, but I like to go out side box, that is where the fun is for me. If you think inside box is where the fun is or life is for you then I am happy for you with woman who you have emotional connection with, but for me I saw more fun in outside box, so I like it there and I think anybody should be humble enough to be forced to learn about inside the box thinking like you or out side box thinking like me because we are in 21st century now and we live in freedom and both inside and outside box way of thinking is freedom of choice and it is perfectly legal.

So why one should be humble enough to learn and forced to be in how another thinks? This is mentality I never comfortable with society norm, you have to do this, you have to eat this, you have to be like that, this is how things are etc etc. I always like being free within legal and moral limit and I hope 21st century will be more free spirited than past centuries.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2251179]These cheap tickets work better for people who are not working, or independently employed. For people with more rigid schedules, there are less optimal choices. Even displacement by a few days may make a big difference. For example, a trip for 7 days with departure and return on Sunday may cost x but with departure and return on Wednesday's may cost less but the latter is not possible from a work / other POV.[/QUOTE]Good points. I wrote flexible on dates, but I guess I should have wrote flexible schedule too. Flying in and out of BCN or taking a detour implies that one is okay with spending an extra day or two traveling, which means a day or less in FKK. So the ticket I posted from JFK-BCN would have the monger in Europe exactly two weeks (Feb 11-25), but the monger would probably not reach Frankfurt until early evening on the 11th and depart Frankfurt no later than the evening of 24th. But as KK notes, BCN offers mongering options as well.

Many American tourists like bundling their trips with a holiday weekend. For someone who works Monday to Friday, their preference might be to take their sex trip to coincide with a four day weekend. So they would fly out of the USA Friday night after work, arrive in FRA Saturday morning. Then fly out of Frankfurt eight days later on Sunday morning.

Many tourists (especially the optics-oriented mongers) also seem to like the idea of having their trip span two weekends. The JFK-BCN ticket I posted, although 14 days in duration, would only allow for one weekend. If one arrives on Saturday morning and leaves 8 days later on Sunday morning, they can essentially attend 12-16 hours on one Friday and two Saturdays. For these optics oriented mongers, that first Saturday serves as a scouting expedition. Sharks is the most obvious choice for that first Saturday since it offers the largest LU. They may even attend a second club on that first Saturday (hence why the rental car is so important to them). They then base their schedule for the remainder of the week on that first day's scouting expedition. This entails asking potential targets which days they plan to work (or be free).

So wanting a 8-9 day trip that span two weekends or wanting your trip to coincide with public holidays probably won't offer the best airline ticket pricing.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2251263]To clarify, I am no way promoting relationships with WGs. I sometimes do that myself but admit that is a quick path towards expensive headaches. My recent posts were just to point out the obvious fact that normal human relationships are important and that sex with young WGs by itself is an empty existence. Friendships outside of the hobby and perhaps harmonious friendships with other hobbyists may also aid in a balanced life. When someone says that the only thing that matters is unencumbered sex and eating good food is all that matters, that is when I start thinking that this person needs something more meaningful in their lives.[/QUOTE]I think you got my key points wrong. I am stating that emotional connection with girls you have sex with not meaningful to me and even if I balance sex between emotionally connected women and young beautiful prostitute, I will choose beautiful prostitute.

As for food I am very gourmet person, this I cannot give in because this is something I do three times per day every day and I prefer food to be good, same goes with women, I prefer women being just beautiful than emotionally connected.

As for meaning of life, it is each their own too. Some people for instance love climbing mountain risking their lives, it is not my thing to go that far, but I understand such peoples happiness too. I am not blocked mentality person because I traveled a lot for holiday since young age and I lived in diverse multi cultural environment for education because I was in boarding school.

However, what I was also saying at least to me that, doing many things in life already in area of travelling, meeting people whether in business or private lives etc, what got me most high in life as far as hobby go is eating gourmet food and fucking beautiful girls.

For instance, I cannot see joy in golf or tennis because there was golf course and tennis courts in my school in UK and it was not special to me, and now it is still not special to me, so it does not react to me as something joy or special thing to do, but eating gourmet food and fucking young new beautiful girls are something that is core in men's core appetite and something still does not fade away and still has reaction to me as something special.

I still think to my taste that I prefer fucking young beautiful girls than having sex with girls who are emotionally connected, so it is natural that I do not like idea of marriage for me.

It is based on stand point how blocked and experienced one is in life too, I do think that getting exposed to beautiful things in world since young age like travelling, culture, food, art, sport, materialism, different life styles help you to find out what works for you and for me, I tend to like fucking young beautiful girls and eating gourmet food every day and working out. I do other things too in life obviously, but I tend to like those two hobbies I mentioned and what wrong with that?

As for friends, most of my friends are from youth, mostly met in boarding school, as there is more trust because we met in innocence of youth, but since there are many obviously, so I do not tell every single one of them about mongering part except for selected few with closed mouth LOL, now you going to say why can't I tell all friends about mongering with your mindset right? LOL.

Because society norm has shady view on mongering, that is why, society norms do not like people who think differently and tend to denounce different people even it is not harming others, but they like to force people to think in all same ways, but thankfully in 21st century it is beginning to change and becoming more diverse mentality and way of thinking than past, but I think mongering or having not emotionally connected sex using money will always be target of denouncement, so monger stay quiet in most cases LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2251608]Hmmm that is stereo typed based on nothing though, deflect social skill? I think I do not have such deflect and in fact, I am more presentable appearance than most people because I am rather educated and know how to dress and well knowledge both in school and also I traveled a lot since young age, [/QUOTE]TL; DR.

Just character traits observed from serial posts. Cultural difference perhaps, but in western society, socially deficient is the most appropriate observation.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2251599]Some other ones I found from other cities in USA. All to destinations in Europe that are close to DE and / or offer decent mongering options compared to "sex prison" USA. Ranging from $291-$430. All in February, March timeframe.[/QUOTE]Cheapest I found was a 1 way ticket from New York Stewart to Dublin for 113 usd with Norwegian air. I also found a return trip JFK. Copenhagen for 333 usd. Or from JFK to pairs, London and Amsterdam for 350, 360 and 370 usd return. And I didn't even check the other us destinations. These were the first 5 searches I made.

Going over 400 usd return cross Atlantic in today's market is madness.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2251738]Cheapest I found was a 1 way ticket from New York Stewart to Dublin for 113 usd with Norwegian air. I also found a return trip JFK. Copenhagen for 333 usd. Or from JFK to pairs, London and Amsterdam for 350, 360 and 370 usd return. And I didn't even check the other us destinations. These were the first 5 searches I made.

Going over 400 usd return cross Atlantic in today's market is madness.[/QUOTE]NYC to continental Europe pricest are the cheapest in all the US. You can find cheap airfare for under $500 all year round. Prices are generally higher from most other cities especially from the south, west, and midwest. Orlando sometimes has cheap deals. Atlanta is okay but Delta has a stranglehold at that airport so you're not getting European discount airlines there anytime soon.

Paying under $500 to get to continental Europe from the US is otherwise difficult, especially as you get closer to the summer months.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2251692]TL; DR.

Just character traits observed from serial posts. Cultural difference perhaps, but in western society, socially deficient is the most appropriate observation.[/QUOTE]Well elaborate on that one.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2251738]Cheapest I found was a 1 way ticket from New York Stewart to Dublin for 113 usd with Norwegian air. I also found a return trip JFK. Copenhagen for 333 usd. Or from JFK to pairs, London and Amsterdam for 350, 360 and 370 usd return. And I didn't even check the other us destinations. These were the first 5 searches I made.

Going over 400 usd return cross Atlantic in today's market is madness.[/QUOTE]Wow, that is real good price considering you do fly across Atlantic, I do fly bit longer than you, but usually if lucky, minimum is around 900 usd connecting flight for me from here, which is almost two days FKK club cost for me.

Even you fly into different cities, once you are in EU, you can use llc such as easyjet etc, which enable you to keep travelling cost low, so of course EU fly in mongers got it best, but from USA, it does not sound so bad at all, it is within reasonable level of travelling cost.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2252003]Well elaborate on that one.[/QUOTE]Mentioned plenty of times, but OG does not recognize it to be a problem.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dscDPIf0GJI[/URL]

[QUOTE=Takedown;2251692]TL; DR.

Just character traits observed from serial posts. Cultural difference perhaps, but in western society, socially deficient is the most appropriate observation.[/QUOTE]Finish the debate you began instead of trying to escape it with irrationality when thing get difficult. I reply to all my mails both private and business including forum because I think it is appropriate to be polite to those who write to me, and yes being polite is cultural thing perhaps, but I was also educated to reply mails promptly as part of manner / stance in life and I reply to forum at once or twice because I check the forum two times per day, in the morning or before lunch depending on time and before I go to bed usually.

Well this is rather racial card you are saying because in western society, where I am actually educated from age 12 to 26 in so called top school and university in Europe, one should not escape the debate you began and what make you think socially deficient is my characteristic if mongering and gourmet is my primal hobby in life.

If you talking about fitting into society norms, as I mentioned over and over gain, I am not interested in fitting into emotionally connecting who I have sex part because I do not think this is the happiness for me to connect emotionally with women I have sex with. What wrong with this? It is legal and based on agreement on both part, so what is wrong with this from your point of view?

Look, bottom line is that, you often use word like learn or re learn etc. Or your way of thinking or living based on society norm is the central core of definition of happiness, but you have to learn and acknowledge that we live in 21st century now and it is more free world and definition of happiness is different to each of us, and for me it is not happiness to connect with women I have.

There are many point of view on happiness, and in 21st century, your version of happiness Takedown or society norm is no longer the definition of happiness for all and you need to learn that.

In both western society as you speak and also in east or where-ever I went to, I know many guys who just want to fuck girls and have not much emotional connection with them beside sexual connection, I am one of them based on rationality. If you are opposite about this and you need emotional connection with women you have sex with, I can understand that is your version or even some of society norms happiness, I understand where that comes from for you, but thing is do you understand other side of happiness which is total legal and in part since you claim to be monger you come on this side too when you need sex unless you are one of those who seek for emotional connection with FKK girls who are most difficult clients for FKK girls by the way because they are there for money.

Cheapest I ever got from Europe to Asia was 65 euro one way with Blue Panorama from Rome to Bangkok. And that's 10 years ago now. I never paid more than 400 e return ticket between Europe and Asia on 10 trips or so.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2251901]NYC to continental Europe pricest are the cheapest in all the US. You can find cheap airfare for under $500 all year round. Prices are generally higher from most other cities especially from the south, west, and midwest. Orlando sometimes has cheap deals. Atlanta is okay but Delta has a stranglehold at that airport so you're not getting European discount airlines there anytime soon.

Paying under $500 to get to continental Europe from the US is otherwise difficult, especially as you get closer to the summer months.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Atlanta is one of those dinosaur airports like Frankfurt is I suppose. I feel bad for you having almost no options in that regard.

Seen plenty of cheap airfares from Chicago and LA too though.