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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2822771]LOL. That claim has been debunked many times over, even by the beneficiaries of those tax cuts!

[B]Searching for supply-side effects of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.
July 6, 2021[/B]

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/research/searching-for-supply-side-effects-of-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/[/URL][/QUOTE]What do investors do with cash they receive from buybacks and dividends? They reinvest the money. In the process our economy becomes more efficient. Cash flow realized from buggy manufacturers was recycled into automobile manufacturing for example.

As to the Brookings article, they were absolutely right: "By only analyzing results through 2019, we focused only on short-term effects, which may be a poor guide to the longer run. Short-term growth dynamics typically are dominated by changes in aggregate demand while long-term growth stems from changes in supply. Both [B]experts[/B] and advocates emphasize that the supply-side process may take a significant amount of time to take full effect. ".

You don't close down an operation in Ireland for example and move it to Austin the year after a tax cut.

And indeed if you look at investing cash flows, which include capex but not investments in working capital, that's what has happened. Here are cash flows from investments (negative because you're spending money) per share for the S&P 500 going back to 2017, the year before the TCJA took effect.

2017 -141.34.

2018 -138.90.

2019 -181.10.

2020 -214.82.

2021 -221.41.

2022 -226.86.

Investments by the S&P 500 companies have increased by 60% since the TCJA took effect! Not including investments in working capital.

And corporate profits resulting from this additional investment in America are kicking in too. In fact, tax receipts on corporate income were the third highest in history in 2022!

[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FCTAX[/URL]

Now those numbers aren't adjusted for inflation, but just eyeballing the graph, it looks to me like your claim that the TCJA will reduce the amount the federal government steals by 2. 5 trillion over 10 years is bogus. Total federal receipts as a % of GDP also are up, to the fourth highest level in history in 2022. All under a tax regime last modified by the TCJA.

[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFRGDA188S[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2822781]Unwilling to accept the growing Winger Love for Larry Summers as a Many-Fleeting Thing, I felt it my romantic duty to post his recent pronouncement about the most conspicuous Repub "win" in the Prevent The Repubs From Crashing Worldwide Economies Again agreement:

[B]Former Treasury Secretary Summers Criticizes IRS Provisions In Debt Ceiling Agreement.
Summers opposes IRS funding cuts in debt ceiling deal, warns of future deficits and tax cheats' advantage.
May 31, 2023 [/B]

[URL]https://www.zenger.news/2023/05/31/former-treasury-secretary-summers-criticizes-irs-provisions-in-debt-ceiling-agreement/[/URL][/QUOTE]Well, he is a Democrat, which means he instinctively wants to fuck over the entrepreneurs, businessmen and investors who drive growth in America. The Democrats legislated $80 billion in additional funding for the IRS, and now as a result of the debt ceiling agreement will have to back off of $20 billion of that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2822763]Since you must have averted your eyes and plugged your ears to the most vocal Repub opposition to the entire deal and, yep, that would include opposing the retention of $5 billion for vaccine research and development to help avert another Repub Trump's Pandemic from spreading unabated ASAP, a simple Google Search for "turd sandwich" might have cleared up your confusion about that.

From some of Repub House Speaker Kevin McCarthy's most valued and highly-regarded Repub House members:

[B]'Turd Sandwich: MAGA Members of Congress Hate on Debt Deal.
"This is NOT a win for the American people!" Rep. Lauren.
MAY 28, 2023[/B]

[URL]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/maga-congress-debt-ceiling-deal-1234743550/[/URL][/QUOTE]When did you become an admirer of Lauren Boebert? I'd bang her, but she's dumb as shit.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2822760]The most important measure to bring jobs and factories and investments back to America was the Republicans' 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), specifically, the restructuring of corporate taxation. The corporate tax rate was cut, so that America went from having the highest corporate rate in the developed world to the middle of the pack. The GILTI tax on foreign income realized by American corporations and provisions to encourage repatriation of cash from overseas were perhaps just as important. The trade deficit in goods and services decreased from 46.8 billion / month from January, 2018 when the corporate rate cut took effect to 40.5 billion / month when COVID kicked off. Similarly, the labor force participation rate increased from 62.7% in January, 2018 to 63.3% in February, 2020.

Thanks to Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, the Biden Administration was not able to raise the corporate rate. So, while the trade balance and labor force participation rate haven't rebounded to pro COVID levels, they are still improving from pandemic levels.

[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BOPGSTB[/URL]

[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART[/URL]

As to Biden's brilliant moves, what a joke. Trump's biggest fuck up was trying to steal an election. His second biggest fuck up was his trade wars, including huge tariffs on Chinese products which were borne by USA Consumers in the form of higher prices. They did nothing to move production to the USA. Instead more clothing and cheap electronics consumed in the USA are made in southeast and south Asia and Central America. Big deal. Now when Biden came to power did he remove those tariffs? No he didn't. He's just as bad as Trump. And Trump at least tried to develop a relationship with Xi. Biden, taking lessons he learned from Obama, has treated him with sanctimony and moral arrogance. Biden's going to drag us into a new cold war.

And the green subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act, which a recent Wall Street Journal Article claimed would cost $1. 1 trillion, were corporate welfare. That is pork, crony capitalism at its finest.

Well, imposing massive tariffs on China and doing his dead level best to prevent the Nordstream 2 pipeline don't exactly sound like deep throating Xi and Putin. Would there be a war in Ukraine right now if Trump were president? As to Kim, Trump probably scared the shit out of him. Kim might have figured Trump was just crazy enough to push the nuclear button and wipe him and North Korea off the Plant. Donald Trump, crazy? Or crazy like a fox?[/QUOTE]So true. Great posts. The facts don't lie. Biden's incompetence will not only extend the recession he put us in but also will get us into a war. China and Russia are licking their chops with the weakest American president in history. Only a fool would dispute this. And one probably will.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2822821]What do investors do with cash they receive from buybacks and dividends? They reinvest the money. In the process our economy becomes more efficient. Cash flow realized from buggy manufacturers was recycled into automobile manufacturing for example.

As to the Brookings article, they were absolutely right: "By only analyzing results through 2019, we focused only on short-term effects, which may be a poor guide to the longer run. Short-term growth dynamics typically are dominated by changes in aggregate demand while long-term growth stems from changes in supply. Both [B]experts[/B] and advocates emphasize that the supply-side process may take a significant amount of time to take full effect. ".

You don't close down an operation in Ireland for example and move it to Austin the year after a tax cut.

And indeed if you look at investing cash flows, which include capex but not investments in working capital, that's what has happened. Here are cash flows from investments (negative because you're spending money) per share for the S&P 500 going back to 2017, the year before the TCJA took effect.

2017 -141.34.

2018 -138.90.

2019 -181.10.

2020 -214.82.

2021 -221.41.

2022 -226.86.

Investments by the S&P 500 companies have increased by 60% since the TCJA took effect! Not including investments in working capital.

And corporate profits resulting from this additional investment in America are kicking in too. In fact, tax receipts on corporate income were the third highest in history in 2022!

[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FCTAX[/URL]

Now those numbers aren't adjusted for inflation, but just eyeballing the graph, it looks to me like your claim that the TCJA will reduce the amount the federal government steals by 2. 5 trillion over 10 years is bogus. Total federal receipts as a % of GDP also are up, to the fourth highest level in history in 2022. All under a tax regime last modified by the TCJA.

[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFRGDA188S[/URL][/QUOTE]Well, apparently expanding the economy and creating more jobs with them than without them is NOT what investors did with their windfall profits from Repub tax cuts in the late 1920's, the 1980's, 2001-2008 and 2018-2020.

Far, far, far from it.

Now, Dem tax policy / cuts and economic policy produce quite a different result. Because they are focused on the right people to grow the economy and create jobs at the right time; under FDR, JFK / LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden, for example.

I sure as hell would rather have been starting up a business venture or looking for a good job at the beginning of any Dem administration of the past 100 years than any Repub administration of the past 100 years.

Unless my business venture was setting up soup kitchens or selling apples on the street, that is.

Thanks Joe for being the worst president in history for economic growth and business. The last 2 years the market and business has had the slowest growth since the great depression. Dow hit an all time high of 36,000 three to four months after Biden took office basically from the strong economic policies of the Trump administration. It took Biden destructive policies about 3 months from his taking office to send the market into a tailspin. Basically Dow is down 10% under Biden policies making his economy the worst in 75 years. We still have 18 months of the worst presidency in history and every industry in the USA suffers from stupid regulations and policies from the progressive left idiots along with Biden stupidity and incompetence. Yes thanks Joe for ruining the lives of millions of Americans.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2822897]So true. Great posts. The facts don't lie. Biden's incompetence[b] will not only extend the recession he put us in[/b] but also will get us into a war. China and Russia are licking their chops with the weakest American president in history. Only a fool would dispute this. And one probably will.[/QUOTE]Yes, absolutely as true as that Recession Biden put us in indeed.

Lolololol.

[B]Payrolls rose 339,000 in May, much better than expected in resilient labor market[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/02/jobs-report-may-2023-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

Dude, we're still waiting for those Great Dem Recessions under Clinton and Obama that never happened but all those pro Repub Economic Gurus and Repub Congressmen assured us they would. LOL.

Oh. Maybe you mean the mild recession Trump's Fed Chairman appointee is struggling mightily to artificially induce because there are way too many jobs being created in Biden's economy than there are applicants to accept them. The same economic "problem" we had under Carter.

For sure, that will never be an economic "problem" that job hunters, entrepreneurs, businessmen and investors will ever have to face under Repub stewardship and policies. No, under Repub stewardship and policies the economic problems are typically who the hell will buy anything from cupcakes to gasoline when jobs are being wiped out by the millions, businesses are closing in droves and Great Depressions or Great Recessions or at least serial Recessions and crap jobs creation are the norm.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2823087]Thanks Joe for being the worst president in history for economic growth and business. The last 2 years the market and business has had the slowest growth since the great depression. Dow hit an all time high of 36,000 three to four months after Biden took office basically from the strong economic policies of the Trump administration. It took Biden destructive policies about 3 months from his taking office to send the market into a tailspin. Basically Dow is down 10% under Biden policies making his economy the worst in 75 years. We still have 18 months of the worst presidency in history and every industry in the USA suffers from stupid regulations and policies from the progressive left idiots along with Biden stupidity and incompetence. Yes thanks Joe for ruining the lives of millions of Americans.[/QUOTE]You do know the stock market is not "the economy", right? LOL. What am I asking. Of course you don't know that.

Uh. The S&P 500 Index closed at its all-time high of 4793 on December 29,2021. It is currently down at a typical "Correction" level, about 10%. It has never been in a "tail spin" under Biden as it did under Trump. At worst, it closed 3-4 percentage points lower than within a normal Correction range for a few days.

It has traded within that Correction range for about 17 months, similar to its behavior under Obama in 2015 and 2016, for about the same number of months and for the same reason; When the economy has begun to show reliable signs of recovery from the horrific Crashes experienced under the previous Repub stewardship, the Fed dithers in fits and starts over how much and how fast to appropriately raise the Fed Funds Rate. And that dithering can and has gone on for 15-18 months at a time.

Wall Street is ALWAYS spooked about what to do whenever the Fed says ANYTHING about raising rates, lowering rates, leaving rates alone, good news about rates, bad news about rates, any statement or utterance by the Fed even vaguely alluding to rates by so much as 25 basis points is enough to drive brave stock market investors under their beds and shaking like frightened kittens.

That is all that's been happening with the broad stock market for the past 17 months.

Here is one for Elvis who refuses to believe USA has never done anything wrong since Iran.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVIZVa1rlGY&t=804s[/URL]

New research showing much worse death toll by USA in Cambodia. Kissinger is a mass murderer. Never convicted, lives with impunity, reparations never paid nor offered. Absolutely disgusting isn't it Elvis?

Lasts for 17 minutes.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2823139]You do know the stock market is not "the economy", right? LOL. What am I asking. Of course you don't know that.

Uh. The S&P 500 Index closed at its all-time high of 4793 on December 29,2021. It is currently down at a typical "Correction" level, about 10%. It has never been in a "tail spin" under Biden as it did under Trump. At worst, it closed 3-4 percentage points lower than within a normal Correction range for a few days.

It has traded within that Correction range for about 17 months, similar to its behavior under Obama in 2015 and 2016, for about the same number of months and for the same reason; When the economy has begun to show reliable signs of recovery from the horrific Crashes experienced under the previous Repub stewardship, the Fed dithers in fits and starts over how much and how fast to appropriately raise the Fed Funds Rate. And that dithering can and has gone on for 15-18 months at a time.

Wall Street is ALWAYS spooked about what to do whenever the Fed says ANYTHING about raising rates, lowering rates, leaving rates alone, good news about rates, bad news about rates, any statement or utterance by the Fed even vaguely alluding to rates by so much as 25 basis points is enough to drive brave stock market investors under their beds and shaking like frightened kittens.

That is all that's been happening with the broad stock market for the past 17 months.[/QUOTE]History proves that when the economy is bad or in a recession the market is stagnant. When the economy is booming like it was pre pandemic under Trump presidency it soars. Dow was at 19,804. 72 when Trump took office and was over 30,000 when he left office for over a 50% gain in 4 years. Quite an achievement with China trying to kill our economy by starting the virus. Trump policies actually drove the market to 36,000 3 months after his presidency ended before Biden executive orders took effect and killed the economy. Which is doubling in 4 years. Biden on the other hand in 2 1/2 years has managed to drive the markets down 10% and creating highest inflation ever and putting millions into poverty. I am in the financial wealth planning and I talk to investors daily. Obviously you are not a savvy investor or you would gladly go back to Trump economy. And yes Wall Street is always spooked by what the feds do and Biden's historical inflation is causing the feds to do radical things. If you remember under Trump president inflation was under control and feds lowered rates. Like it or not corporations and Americans did better under the Trump presidency. Now they are just trying to hold on until we are done with the worst presidency in the history of the USA.

[URL]https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6b/a6/0f/6ba60fc2d49a42c61bf6f7cd8f5227e3.jpg[/URL]

"A machine like this is required to move 500 tons of earth / ore which will be.

Refined into one lithium car battery. It burns 900-1000 gallons of fuel in a 12-hour shift.

Lithium is refined from ore using sulfuric acid. The proposed lithium mine at Thacker Pass, Nevada is estimated to require up to 75 semi-loads of sulfuric acid a day. ! The acid does not turn into unicorn food as AOC believes.

Refining lithium has created several EPA SUPERFUND SITES. IT IS VERY.

TOXIC TO THE ENVIRONMENT.

A battery in an electric car, let's say an average Tesla, is made of:

25 pounds of lithium.

60 pounds of nickel.

44 pounds of manganese.

30 pounds of cobalt.

200 pounds of copper.

And.

400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic, etc. Averaging 750-1,000 pounds of minerals, that had to be mined and processed.

Into a battery that merely stores electricity. Electricity which is generated by.

Oil, gas, coal, or water (and a tiny fraction of wind and solar).

That is the truth, about the lie, of "green" energy.

There's nothing green about the "Green New Deal".

You people better learn how to vote or this nonsense will continue to flow down on top of you from the throne of government upon of which you put these people.

Stop drinking the Green New Deal's sulfuric acid Kool-Aid. !

Dr. Phillip A. Fields.

University of South Alabama.

Mobile, Alabama.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2822897]So true. Great posts. [/QUOTE]Thanks Cali Guy. If you ever get tired of the Nanny State and high taxes in the Peoples Republic of California, we'd welcome you with open harms here in God's Country, also known as the Texas panhandle.

I'd weigh in on Tooms' recent posts but I've already addressed those issues at least three times. Tooms lives in a univariate world. That means he thinks economic growth and recessions are a function of only one variable, the party of the President. He doesn't consider technology, globalization, demographic changes like population growth, changes in productivity, the business cycle, Fed policy, events like the pandemic, what's happening in other countries, the make up of Congress, etc. If something like a pandemic comes along, then it's the Republican president's fault. Biden's American Rescue Plan played no part in igniting inflation here instead of other countries. Instead, it was all the Fed chiefs fault. And that's Trump's fault too, even though Jerome Powell was appointed to the Federal Reserve by Obama, and re-appointed Fed chief by Biden.

Anyway, yes, if Biden and like minded Democrats maintain control for the long term, we will suffer. Democrats like to spend money and they like big federal government. When you kick out petrostates and countries with less than a million people, the most prosperous developed countries in the world have lowest government revenues and expenditures as a % of GDP. That is, the developed countries that leave more money in the private sector, in the hands of the people and businesses, do better. If Biden as President and Bernie Sanders as Senate Budget Committee Chairman were in charge of the economy for the long term, our GDP per capita would be much lower than what it would be under Republican leadership. Now, Tooms probably realizes that, as to Sanders anyway. His response has been that Sanders isn't a Democrat, haha.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2823784]Thanks Cali Guy. If you ever get tired of the Nanny State and high taxes in the Peoples Republic of California, we'd welcome you with open harms here in God's Country, also known as the Texas panhandle.

I'd weigh in on Tooms' recent posts but I've already addressed those issues at least three times. Tooms lives in a univariate world. That means he thinks economic growth and recessions are a function of only one variable, the party of the President. He doesn't consider technology, globalization, demographic changes like population growth, changes in productivity, the business cycle, Fed policy, events like the pandemic, what's happening in other countries, the make up of Congress, etc. If something like a pandemic comes along, then it's the Republican president's fault. Biden's American Rescue Plan played no part in igniting inflation here instead of other countries. Instead, it was all the Fed chiefs fault. And that's Trump's fault too, even though Jerome Powell was appointed to the Federal Reserve by Obama, and re-appointed Fed chief by Biden..[/QUOTE]San Diego is still one of the better cities in CA as the area I live in is about 50/50 democrats and republicans. But I will retire in Texas or possible Wyoming and get out of this CA mess in about 7 years. Of course our area still has some of the progressive socialists like Bernie and Tooms. Being with a major wealth management company that is in every state I have to be pretty neutral on politics and I rarely discuss politics with the liberals but I can say that all my clients benefited greatly from the Trump presidency. Majority of my clients bought into energy oil stocks on my recommendations when Biden went to war on domestic oil and it has minimized their losses from Biden incompetence. Many Californians on fixed income are really struggling though with the high costs. Biden inflation is even worse here with Newsome policies.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2823784]Thanks Cali Guy. If you ever get tired of the Nanny State and high taxes in the Peoples Republic of California, we'd welcome you with open harms here in God's Country, also known as the Texas panhandle.

[b]I'd weigh in on Tooms' recent posts but I've already addressed those issues at least three times. Tooms lives in a univariate world. That means he thinks economic growth and recessions are a function of only one variable, the party of the President. He doesn't consider technology, globalization, demographic changes like population growth, changes in productivity, the business cycle, Fed policy, events like the pandemic, what's happening in other countries, the make up of Congress, etc. If something like a pandemic comes along,[/b] then it's the Republican president's fault. Biden's American Rescue Plan played no part in igniting inflation here instead of other countries. Instead, it was all the Fed chiefs fault. And that's Trump's fault too, even though Jerome Powell was appointed to the Federal Reserve by Obama, and re-appointed Fed chief by Biden..[/QUOTE]Lolol. Yeah, that is the magical, mystical aspect of it, right?

You hang onto that idea that Trump's Pandemic just "came along" out of nowhere and maybe dummies who aren't paying attention will, you know, not vote for the one Party that can and has prevented those horrific results from magically, mystically materializing.

So the Pandemic, the Great Depression, Eisenhower's three Recessions and crap jobs creation, the S&L Crisis, Reagan's Great Recession, the Financial Crisis, Bush's Great Recession, Trump's $2. 5 Trillion in deficit spending to create fewer jobs with it than without it, his Great Jobs Destruction and Worldwide Economic / Supply-Chain Collapes, etc, etc, all just "came along."

It is only a wild coincidence that none of those things "come along" under Dem economic stewardship. And an even wilder coincidence that all of the notable boomtimes and historic jobs gains in decades and decades and decades happen under Dem stewardship and none under Repub stewardship.

Those great results just "come along" in magical, mystical ways too, don't they?

Poor Repubs. So unlucky.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2823644]History proves that when the economy is bad or in a recession the market is stagnant. When the economy is booming like it was pre pandemic under Trump presidency it soars. Dow was at 19,804. 72 when Trump took office and was over 30,000 when he left office for over a 50% gain in 4 years. Quite an achievement with China trying to kill our economy by starting the virus. Trump policies actually drove the market to 36,000 3 months after his presidency ended before Biden executive orders took effect and killed the economy. Which is doubling in 4 years. Biden on the other hand in 2 1/2 years has managed to drive the markets down 10% and creating highest inflation ever and putting millions into poverty. I am in the financial wealth planning and I talk to investors daily. Obviously you are not a savvy investor or you would gladly go back to Trump economy. And yes Wall Street is always spooked by what the feds do and Biden's historical inflation is causing the feds to do radical things. If you remember under Trump president inflation was under control and feds lowered rates. Like it or not corporations and Americans did better under the Trump presidency. Now they are just trying to hold on until we are done with the worst presidency in the history of the USA.[/QUOTE]You are in "financial wealth planning" and you actually say stuff publicly, I mean loud enough for potential clients to hear, like "The Fed lowers rates when the economy is roaring along and raises them when the economy is doing poorly"?

And stuff like, "That historic Relief Rally in the market immediately after Biden kicked him out of office was a sure sign of how great everyone thought Trump's policies were"?

And stuff like, "$2.5 Trillion added to the deficit in Trump's one and only economic legislation passed in 4 years in exchange for not even 1 percentage point gain in GDP Growth and about a Million fewer jobs created with it than without it was a brilliant, good deal for America"?

Seriously? You actually do that and still squeak out a living?

I am impressed.