Bogota Reports

I just want to address all the concerns about this in one reply. I'm not videoing girls to put them on the internet. I want to work with American girls. There biggest apprehension is my inability to show them my work. The plan isn't to directly make money off the videos. It isn't to make an unsuspecting prostitute into a porn star. It is to get some footage do some editing and have something to show American girls what I can do in terms of editing and stuff. So can we drop this guys. I feel like we have spent way to much time on my lowest priority question. I appreciate y'all wanting to make sure I don't go jail in Colombia for doing something foolish, but I'm not the foolish type I promise. All the info about there biggest apprehension being the showing of their face I have taken to heart and I appreciate the givers of the information. Y'all are awesome.

JjBee62 - I'm not sure why you think I had an attitude with you. I am very thankful for the information you have provided. I only had an attitude with one person, Zeos1. He had a comment in there I couldn't help but take it as condescending. There was more responses than I anticipated and to be honest. I'm not even sure if I have had the time to answer yours personally. I just want to let you know I'm not upset or ungrateful in anyway for the help you have provided. So please take all that bass out of your response because I have no idea what you mad about. My best guess is the first sentence of the quote you posted triggered you for some reason. I used strong language here to make a point. I'm not looking to do any of the creepy stuff people were warning me not to do. It's like you don't warn a cook not to touch the a hot stove. People are telling me not to video a girl without consent like I didn't ask a question specifically to gauge how hard it would be to get consent. Also I didn't ask you to be a mind reader. I added the extra info about my intentions specifically because you asked for them. I thought it would be annoying in my original question at first so I left it out. I hope we are straight if not I don't know man.

Lastly, I apologize for double posting. This site doesn't have an obvious way of letting you know the report actually went through. JjBee62 I lost the time I would have used responding to you on writing a second response to somebody accidentally.

I've been here four days, and I'm pretty sure I will never come back:

1) In Cali the women are hot and wear sandals. Every woman looks at you appraisingly as they pass. In Medellin women are peak beautiful and always dressed to impress men. In contrast, in Bogota they wear hiking boots, keep their eyes fixed on the sidewalk in front of them and are generally fatter and more out of shape.

2) The street scene in Centro is about the most depressing thing I've seen in my life. Women are fat, tattooed and listless. Stray dogs, homeless and some super ugly trannies. No way I would ever go back, regardless of the price of pussy -- it destroys my bliss. Maybe I saw one, cute, doable black girl.

3) The weather is just low level crappy. Misty, rainy, windy, cold. Blowing dust.

4) I moved into a nice condo in Centro just to avoid scrutiny when I brought a young Veneca over yesterday. Security gave us the third degree!

5) I've been cold the entire time except when I'm sitting in the jacuzzi, or buried under the covers with a Venzuelan.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2749146]Congrats on taking your first step. If you've been on USASG for years you know a bit. One bit you know is that everyone has their own way of doing this. A strip club guy might not enjoy the Asian massage parlors. A street-walker guy isn't looking for high dollar escorts. Knowing your preferences will help people give you better answers.

If you are already comfortable speaking Spanish, things will be much easier, but you can still get by without it. I'm going to answer assuming you know very little Spanish.

1. For your first trip go with a hotel. There's less chance for confusion and you'll have additional security. The biggest issue is where to stay. Hotel Ibis Bogota Museo has long been reported as girl friendly and it's close to Santa Fe (and the downtown museums for tourist stuff). However, downtown at night might be scary for you (it was for me my first trip). It's a lot less fun if you're afraid to leave your hotel at night (Note to others: Perception for a newbie isn't necessarily a reflection of reality). Another option is to stay north, around Parque 93 or even further north and the culture shock will be less.

You might want to start with a hotel in the north for the first 2 nights. After checking your comfort level in Santa Fe you can decide whether to stay put or move closer to the action..[/QUOTE]I appreciate all the advice. Specifically on the restaurant service. I can't imagine shouting or waving some down in an American restaurant and that seems like something that would have took me days to realize and get used too. I would have just assumed their service was slow and shitty. I also appreciate the additional options you gave. I plan to go to a massage parlor most days I'm there. I like that setup personally. You were right in my limited ability to speak Spanish but I'm taking a course that's supposed to be effective in 30 days. I don't believe it but it's worth the try.

1. I'm aware I can't walk around at night, but I assumed taking an uber from place to place was an acceptable risk. If I stay in the hotel you generously provided I can try to make the prepagos come to me. I may even take an escort for a spin. Do you have any experience with the escorts?

A little about me. I'm 220 lb 6 ft tall black man with dreads. This combination isn't always advantageous from a perception standpoint. I'm hoping my demographic will make me seem like a bad target in this situation.

1. Because the typical gringo looks nothing like me. As a matter a fact I'm not even sure if I count as a gringo. Some time I get the feeling it's a racial tag as well as a nationality tag.

2. I look fairly young. I'm 28. When I shave I look 22. I hope this further deter robbers from thinking I'm worth their time. Young guys usually mean broke.

3. I plan to go shopping if my packed attire is much different from the locals. My hopes is to try to blend in as an afro Latino. My hope is as long as robbers don't speak to me that can't tell I'm a gringo.

4. Lastly I'm from the hood and I know the tips and tricks to not get robbed and if you do to not get robbed of all you shit at once. I also got a built in danger detector. I've exited many parties and clubs minutes before shots start being fired. Hell I leave at any sign of things about to get dicey.

In conclusion I feel relatively confident in my ability to to survive SF. If all else fails to make me feel comfortable I can hire one of those guys off show around to come with me. At 10/ HR won't break my vacation funds. I would try to find someone with some friends to bring. Hopefully if I buy a round or 2 of beers and I have some temporary companions to that will further dissuade any ne'er-do-well.

If you were going to a Santa Fe strip club how much money would you carry? I like lap dances and the club atmosphere. I'm hesitant to sleep with them in the club though. I see people say they usually try to rush in that situation. Also I had a Latina at a club before the skill of those women are outstanding. If they want you to be done in 3 to 5 minutes it's not much you can do. Fucking dick whispers they are.

It seems it would be prudent to walk the line between having enough to have fun, but not more than a certain percentage of your funds in case you get robbed against all odds.

I've addressed you other 2 points elsewhere so I won't repeat here. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2749753]I've been here four days, and I'm pretty sure I will never come back:

1) In Cali the women are hot and wear sandals. Every woman looks at you appraisingly as they pass. In Medellin women are peak beautiful and always dressed to impress men. In contrast, in Bogota they wear hiking boots, keep their eyes fixed on the sidewalk in front of them and are generally fatter and more out of shape.

2) The street scene in Centro is about the most depressing thing I've seen in my life. Women are fat, tattooed and listless. Stray dogs, homeless and some super ugly trannies. No way I would ever go back, regardless of the price of pussy -- it destroys my bliss. Maybe I saw one, cute, doable black girl.

3) The weather is just low level crappy. Misty, rainy, windy, cold. Blowing dust.

4) I moved into a nice condo in Centro just to avoid scrutiny when I brought a young Veneca over yesterday. Security gave us the third degree!

5) I've been cold the entire time except when I'm sitting in the jacuzzi, or buried under the covers with a Venzuelan.[/QUOTE]I love the weather in BOG.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2749753]I've been here four days, and I'm pretty sure I will never come back:

1) In Cali the women are hot and wear sandals. Every woman looks at you appraisingly as they pass. In Medellin women are peak beautiful and always dressed to impress men. In contrast, in Bogota they wear hiking boots, keep their eyes fixed on the sidewalk in front of them and are generally fatter and more out of shape.

2) The street scene in Centro is about the most depressing thing I've seen in my life. Women are fat, tattooed and listless. Stray dogs, homeless and some super ugly trannies. No way I would ever go back, regardless of the price of pussy -- it destroys my bliss. Maybe I saw one, cute, doable black girl.

3) The weather is just low level crappy. Misty, rainy, windy, cold. Blowing dust.

4) I moved into a nice condo in Centro just to avoid scrutiny when I brought a young Veneca over yesterday. Security gave us the third degree!

5) I've been cold the entire time except when I'm sitting in the jacuzzi, or buried under the covers with a Venzuelan.[/QUOTE]This is the fall monsoon cold and rainy-- Sorry. It's much nicer most of the year-- warmer and less rain.

We went to SF on Saturday and there were tons of Beautiful girls, as usual with many guys I have shown around over the last few months who were very happy-Sorry about your experience.

Good Luck in the future.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749780]I appreciate all the advice. Specifically on the restaurant service. I can't imagine shouting or waving some down in an American restruant and that seems like something that would have took me days to realize and get used too. I would have just assumed their service was slow and shitty. I also appreciate the additional options you gave. I plan to go to a massage parlor most days I'm there. I like that setup personally. You were right in my limited ability to speak Spanish but I'm taking a course that's supposed to be effective in 30 days. I don't believe it but it's worth the try.

1. I'm aware I can't walk around at night, but I assumed taking an uber from place to place was an acceptable risk. If I stay in the hotel you generously provided I can try to make the prepagos come to me. I may even take an escort for a spin. Do you have any experience with the escorts?

A little about me. I'm 220 lb 6 ft tall black man with dreads. This combination isn't always advantageous from a perception standpoint. I'm hoping my demographic will make me seem like a bad target in this situation.

1. Because the typical gringo looks nothing like me. As a matter a fact I'm not even sure if I count as a gringo. Some time I get the feeling it's a racial tag as well as a nationality tag.

2. I look fairly young. I'm 28. When I shave I look 22. I hope this further deter robbers from thinking I'm worth their time. Young guys usually mean broke..[/QUOTE]First thing, I wasn't mad. I don't get mad. I just don't sweet talk about stuff.

You can walk around at night, but it's not a good idea to stray from where all the people are. Santa Fe at night is bustling. Clubs, restaurants, street vendors and all the girls, plus the police make it a lively area. You should have no problem walking from club to club at night. However, if you stray away to the dark and empty streets, things are more likely to turn bad.

If I were going to a Santa Fe strip club I would probably carry 400-600 k, roughly $100-$150. I might carry a bit more if I'm going with friends. What I wouldn't carry is anything else. No wallet, no cards, just my ID, phone and money, and the phone stays in front pocket.

Might be in Bogota for a few days for business later this month and would like to make the most of it. I've been (and will continue to) RTFF—thanks for all of the great info here. I do have a couple of questions.

I typically prefer to order outcall to my hotel, but it seems that's not the usual mongering path in Bogota. Is there a reliable source for finding outcalls that I can order from my hotel? If I'm staying at an upscale foreign hotel brand, any issues with having visitors?

If there's a really compelling reason to not do that in Bogota, I'the love to know.

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2750059]Might be in Bogota for a few days for business later this month and would like to make the most of it. I've been (and will continue to) RTFFthanks for all of the great info here. I do have a couple of questions.

I typically prefer to order outcall to my hotel, but it seems that's not the usual mongering path in Bogota. Is there a reliable source for finding outcalls that I can order from my hotel? If I'm staying at an upscale foreign hotel brand, any issues with having visitors?

If there's a really compelling reason to not do that in Bogota, I'the love to know.[/QUOTE]It seems the majority of upscale foreign type hotels typically charge a guest fee of anywhere up to $50. You might want to do a search on this thread for the particular hotel you're planning to stay at as you may find specific info for it. I was at the Marriott Residence Inn near Calle 90 and while I can't say if it's girl friendly as I didn't have any girls come to my room, I don't know how they'd actually know unless the girls were coming in the evening and / or dressing slutty. You enter on street level where there's a Marriott doorman / employee?? Sort of sitting behind a desk seemingly doing nothing (presuming if someone walked in that looked homeless, drunk, high, aggressive, etc he'd come to life) but since the actual front desk / check in desk isn't there and is instead on the 4th floor you can just swipe your room key in the elevator and bypass the front desk and go straight up to your floor. The building is shared with a whole bunch of business offices so there's people walking around all over the place during the day. I would imagine that if you met the girl outside and walked in with her during the day they wouldn't know. At night when the offices are closed it may be more noticeable especially if you had multiple girls over a few nights. I'd just email and ask the hotel if you can't find it here how much they charge for a guest fee (say something like you're working on a business assignment and an associate will be meeting you to go over things and will be needed to go on a zoom call in your room etc. Is probably a good way to ask LOL).

Wish I could help on the Incall side. From what I gather it seems hit or miss. There is geisha academy (just search geisha academy Bogota on google) and there's photoprepagos but with photoprepagos, who knows if the girl that shows up at your hotel will be the girl in the ad?? I'm sure there's others but I don't know them. Everyone seems into SA but for some reason it's rare to share the info of the girls they're talking to on here because it's assumed you're hooking up with a civvie and because of that if you get with her then she'll stay loyal to you or something? Either way I don't get it but there is always SA if you want to invest the time talking to the girls and weeding some out but there's a whole strategy of pre screening but then not doing it too far in advance of your trip because the girl may flake and other stuff which I don't get. Too much hassle for me LOL. Others probably have better advice on the Incall front.

If you're up north you may benefit from visiting the Lido club. The girls are expensive as well as drinks. Honestly, though if you can swing it I would just get an Uber down to Santa Fe and visit Paisas or Troya or just do a walk through of all the clubs (they're all right next to each other) on a Thur. -sat night after 9-10 pm and hookup with a girl there and session upstairs in their rooms. No guest fees then.

Good luck and let us know what ends up happening and what escort girls you end up with.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2750155]
Good luck and let us know what ends up happening and what escort girls you end up with.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Lots of good info there it seems.

I've used SA successfully in other locations. I find it (and other similar apps) to be fun, but a lot of work. Sometimes that pays off, but it's also frequently nice to just order delivery rather than sitting there wondering if the bread I baked is going to rise.

At the very least there seem to be a ton of options around the city, so that's exciting.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749780]...
1. I'm aware I can't walk around at night...
...[/QUOTE]This is such BS. I'm an old, old white man and, after waiting a few minutes too many for a cab last night, I walked from La Candelaria (near the Botero Museum) to my Airbnb in Santa Fe, mostly along la septima around 9. Biggest dangers are stepping in dogshit or a missing manhole cover. I am an obvious old, white foreigner. Maybe I am naive, but I feel no danger. Saying that, for sure I wouldn't walk around the zona de tolerancia late at night, but it would be mostly from fear of twisting my ankle on a loose paving stone or stepping in dogshit.

Another thing people have written here about the safety of cabs, uber, didi whatever:

1) they are friggin' cheap, fast. good and safe. A couple of times I looked at the taximetro and it said something like 77, so I pulled out $80 k thinking 'oh well that's like $17 US or something, and the taxista (amazingly honest) would say (shocked), "No! What are you doing. It's seven, Seven! (i.e., $1.70 US) " -- meaning I stupidly (on more than one occasion) tried to pay the guy 10 X too much and the honest taxista, who could have easily taken the money and driven off, saved me from my own stupidity.

2) If you're riding by yourself, sit in front -- especially if you're a big black man, no one is going to mess with you. I periodically read threads here about don't take taxis, take uber or whatever, but I found the taxistas I met were all super polite and humble. Also, side note, I would love to have one of those little yellow taxis back here. I wish we could import them -- I love little cars.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2749791]...We went to SF on Saturday and there were tons of Beautiful girls, as usual with many guys I...[/QUOTE]True, my first loop was Thursday or Friday before lunch, and it was overcast and sad like I wrote. I did a loop over there Sunday afternoon on my rental bike and it was a lot sunnier and almost pleasant. Indeed, there were some younger women; however, I stand by my previous rating on the women there: 1) mostly fat 2) horrible tattoos 3) garish, sleazy, ill fitting "sexy" outfits 4) cellulite 5) fat. Also, the whole scene of loose paving, torn up streets, decay, torn garbage bags, stray dogs rooting through the garbage. It's not Soi Cowboy or Patpong, for sure.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750198]True, my first loop was Thursday or Friday before lunch, and it was overcast and sad like I wrote. I did a loop over there Sunday afternoon on my rental bike and it was a lot sunnier and almost pleasant. Indeed, there were some younger women; however, I stand by my previous rating on the women there: 1) mostly fat 2) horrible tattoos 3) garish, sleazy, ill fitting "sexy" outfits 4) cellulite 5) fat. Also, the whole scene of loose paving, torn up streets, decay, torn garbage bags, stray dogs rooting through the garbage. It's not Soi Cowboy or Patpong, for sure.[/QUOTE]Well, there definitely a lot of average girls but at certain times there are a lot of hot girls at certain, sounds like you were there at an off time. For example we were there Saturday at 9 and it was very nice-.

The club scene is better-- you should check out the clubs.

I have given quite a few tours in last few months, the vast majority of guy were very happy with the SF scene as reported here.

Good Luck in the future.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750198]True, my first loop was Thursday or Friday before lunch, and it was overcast and sad like I wrote. I did a loop over there Sunday afternoon on my rental bike and it was a lot sunnier and almost pleasant. Indeed, there were some younger women; however, I stand by my previous rating on the women there: 1) mostly fat 2) horrible tattoos 3) garish, sleazy, ill fitting "sexy" outfits 4) cellulite 5) fat. Also, the whole scene of loose paving, torn up streets, decay, torn garbage bags, stray dogs rooting through the garbage. It's not Soi Cowboy or Patpong, for sure.[/QUOTE]Well, there definitely a lot of average girls but at certain times there are a lot of hot girls at certain, sounds like you were there at an off time. For example we were there Saturday at 9 and it was very nice-.

I sometimes go on slow days and can find a nice girl among the average.

The club scene is better-- you should check out the clubs.

I have given quite a few tours in last few months, the vast majority of guy were very happy with the SF scene as reported here.

Good luck in the future.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749780] If all else fails to make me feel comfortable I can hire one of those guys off show around to come with me. At 10/ HR won't break my vacation funds. I would try to find someone with some friends to bring. Hopefully if I buy a round or 2 of beers and I have some temporary companions to that will further dissuade any ne'er-do-well.[/QUOTE]I'm of course familiar with Woodman having taken one of his cultural tours in a prior year, but it's the first I've heard mention of "guys off show around", is that a thing? Are these guys vetted by someone? I like the idea of having somebody or more to hang out with. Would be particularly nice because you could drink a bit more while having fun with not as much concern. It would be cool if there was an easy way for mongers to easily get together while in Bogota. Just as long as you didn't get an old dude who hates everything, cold weather included. LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750190]This is such BS. I'm an old, old white man and, after waiting a few minutes too many for a cab last night, I walked from La Candelaria (near the Botero Museum) to my Airbnb in Santa Fe, mostly along la septima around 9. Biggest dangers are stepping in dogshit or a missing manhole cover.[/QUOTE]LOL. Thanks JC. Spot on. I am a middle aged black man and I tried to send him a PM on that yesterday but he does not have that capability. If he is from the hood he won't have any problem with the stuff he sees on the street. Nobody is going to fuck with him though. The worse that will happen is somebody comes up to him begging. She shake your head and wag your finger no.

Speaking of which, I was in the mall yesterday eating in a restaurant and folks were coming up begging (there was a little fence around the part that was exposed to the mall area.) I did my usual as I just described, but people at other tables would sit there and hear the shit out. I asked my girl why do y'all listen to the whole story already knowing what they want and that you are not going to give it to them? She said she did not know. I said well I am not going to let them waste their breath or my hearing.