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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2751254]Easy. You zoom in on the map then you click on the different places to look at the pictures. Alot of times they show the outside of the building with the address on it.[/QUOTE]I visited there. Too many tall buildings for me. A lot of rules and security also. Entrance is. 2 mile from the street. And lots of stairs. Park in the garage, a lot better.
Damn, I just booked the Equilibrium for December on Airbnb. I don't mind stairs and walking. Good exercise. I message the host and she cool with guest. So hopefully all good with rules and security. Plus I read you have a keycard and can bypass security if you want to. (In the reviews) but we will see. I just wanted to cut down on the Altitude driving to Santa fe & the casas in Chapinero. Equilibrium SEEMS like a middle ground.
[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2751425]I visited there. Too many tall buildings for me. A lot of rules and security also. Entrance is. 2 mile from the street. And lots of stairs. Park in the garage, a lot better.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2751419]Thought that was a secret mongering method. It only takes 5 minutes per club (I walk fast) and 45 minutes to see all of Santa Fe's usable streets. [/QUOTE]Hell that is with anything in life. Nobody goes out shopping for houses, cars, shoes and comes back to tell their friends about the tons of horrible ones they saw. They talk about the few they liked and were interested in.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2750632]I am always wondering how many chicks someone planned to fuck if they are complaining about the ugly ones, because I just look right past them. Does not concern me. Not wasting my energy on it. As far as I am concerned it makes my choice easier when there are only a few that appeal to me. I honestly do not need 10 good ones to choose from if I am only going to fuck 1 or 2.[/QUOTE]I spent about 3 weeks in Bogota in August. Been to SF 3 or 4 times, and never sessioned. None of the girls were appealing enough for me to take them upstairs. Yeah, they are cheap, but I didn't care. Some of them I wouldn't do for free. Others I wouldn't even touch with a 10 ft pole. Low quality, very high mileage, mechanical basic all covered service, nah, thanks. I was with an ISG member, had a couple of beers, and just watched girls dancing on stage. SF clubs are good if you are bored and want to just kill time with a friend. Good place to fuck if you like them high mileage and all covered service. Even if BBBJ and BBFS were readily available, and sometimes they are for an up charge, you would be better off going covered to avoid STDs.
[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2751480]Damn, I just booked the Equilibrium for December on Airbnb. I don't mind stairs and walking. Good exercise...[/QUOTE]I was just there. There are two towers, Equilibrium 1 is 25 stories and has the pool and gym on the top floor. Tower 2 is 17 stories and has a roof deck, which was locked while I was there. The main lobby is in tower 1 on Diagonal 31 a, a short, steep little street. That's where the check in is. I was in tower 2, to get there you have to walk through the lobby, up a single flight of stairs, then across a floor of the parking. The elevators are fast and reliable. If you're in tower 2, then you just go down to the ground floor and exit (past a single guard) onto Av. Alberto LLeras Cargo, which I think is la septima -- anyhow, a major street. I had been in Hotel Mercure in Chapinero, but was hoping for a little less scrutiny passing the reception with my (very modestly dressed) venezuelan -- instead we got the f'cking third degree both times. In Cali and MDE, I was in little discreet Airbnb's where no one checked what I was doing, which I prefer.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2751490]I spent about 3 weeks in Bogota in August. Been to SF 3 or 4 times, and never sessioned. None of the girls were appealing enough for me to take them upstairs. Yeah, they are cheap, but I didn't care. Some of them I wouldn't do for free. Others I wouldn't even touch with a 10 ft pole. Low quality, very high mileage, mechanical basic all covered service, nah, thanks. I was with an ISG member, had a couple of beers, and just watched girls dancing on stage. SF clubs are good if you are bored and want to just kill time with a friend. Good place to fuck if you like them high mileage and all covered service. Even if BBBJ and BBFS were readily available, and sometimes they are for an up charge, you would be better off going covered to avoid STDs.[/QUOTE]None? Not 1 girl? That boggles my mind. I can walk through a Midwestern Walmart at 11 pm and almost always see a girl who I would fuck for $20. That's from a pool of 10-15 girls in the temple of fat women in spandex (and I don't do fat).
My last visit to Santa Fe I was already fucked out from 10 days in Medellin and was extremely tired, and still, in less than an hour, without entering any clubs, saw at least 20 who I'd been thrilled to get, even if the price was 150 k. If not for the chance to catch up with a friend, I wouldn't have even gone.
There were some fat ones. There were some older ones. Of course. People don't stop needing to eat just because they age or put on weight. If you need to eat, need to feed a family, you work, doing what you can.
There were plenty of women wearing cheap, not especially fashionable attire. If you're selling pussy on the streets in Bogota, you probably can't afford original designs from Donna Karan, and the power suit won't attract many customers. Instead, you spend 5 k on something that shows off what you're selling. Sure it makes the girls look like prostitutes working in a red light district, but isn't that the point?
Tattoos were in abundance, because it's no longer 1983. I'm not a fan of tattoos, but appreciate the artistry of some. Things change. For the people upset about tattooed women are you still complaining that you can't get 8 track tapes anymore?
Now to the burning question. If you wouldn't do any of the women, wouldn't even get close enough to talk to them, how do you know that every single one of, of the 100's you had to have seen, were very high mileage and only provided very basic, all covered service?
This is important, because that's a fucking incredible talent. Think about it. You could sit down at a poker table and before the cards are shuffled know what everyone will have and how they'll bet. Then there's the sports betting. That's $1 million every weekend betting on the games when you already know exactly how every game will turn out.
There's probably a name for that syndrome, the unreasonable need to trash everything because you don't like 1 thing. I see it everywhere. It's rampant in online reviews. Someone orders a steak well done (which already shows poor judgement) and when it comes out medium, instead of politely explaining that the meat isn't sufficiently ruined, they write a review criticizing everything from the owner's haircut to the asphalt in the parking lot.
Personally, I find things like that useful. If someone can't find 1 good thing about a place, if they feel the need to make declarations about things which they can't possibly know, then I know their opinions are not based on reality.
I need to make a trip to Bogota this fall and was just going to stay long enough to do what I need to do. However, you've convinced me to take an extra day or 2 to hang out in Santa Fe.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2751490]I spent about 3 weeks in Bogota in August. Been to SF 3 or 4 times, and never sessioned. None of the girls were appealing enough for me to take them upstairs. Yeah, they are cheap, but I didn't care. Some of them I wouldn't do for free. Others I wouldn't even touch with a 10 ft pole. Low quality, very high mileage, mechanical basic all covered service, nah, thanks
[/QUOTE]So if you didn't session but you're commenting on the low quality of service, I'm guessing you've sessioned in previous a trip (s)? If so, are you saying the quality has gone down? I'm coming for a month and I'm wondering if I should spend half that time in Medellin. From what I've seen on youtube, sf is not what it used to be. That could also be youtube being more vigilent in removing videos. But on the Bogota map, 9 out of 10 listings are places that went out of business years ago and most links don't go anywhere. The Medellin map seems a lot more reliable and some of the reports on that page make it sounds pretty great, although I know it's more expensive. Medellin doesn't have an official zona de tolerencia but el centro looks promising during the day and parque lleras at night, and that's just the street scene. Clubs and casas look promising too. SA looks good for both cities but I know if I rely too heavily on that I'm going to have a lot of frustrating experiences with flaky girls with inflated egos. I also hate fancy restaurants almost as much as girls love them. Last time I offered to pay a girl more to skip the restaurant and she blocked me LOL.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2751354]We had a great time tonight-- Got out to SF about 7;30 went through the South Stroll walked the North area a bit-- Pretty nice-.
[/QUOTE]Hit Santa Fe last night as well, got there at about 6 pm.
To be honest, for me the street scene was disappointing.
It was way better on Thursday.
I usually find something nice, but not yesterday.
It got a little better late. At about 11 pm actually. By that time I was spent tho.
The club scene was not bad.
Like you said, saw some hotties in Venus. Hung out there. Loud but fun, lol.
After a few days in Bogota, I packed my bags and headed back to Medellin.
So much better in my opinion.
Especially the street scene.
I'm not an online chica seeker, so no clue about that.
The club scene is better in Bogota (Santa Fe) than Medellin, el Centro clubs, Imo.
Im not into la Isla, Lidos type places, so no clue there either.
Good to be back with my combo of Paisas and Chamas here in Medellin!
Today was yummy, LOL.
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It was way better on Thursday.
I usually find something nice, but not yesterday.
It got a little better late. At about 11 pm actually. By that time I was spent tho.
The club scene was not bad.
Like you said, saw some hotties in Venus. Hung out there. Loud but fun, lol.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. This reply isn't specific to your post (post was great) but to just SG's in general. I think you hit the nail on the head with regards to SG's and I'm thinking that for any of us that have done the SG scene in any place would know this but the scene is going to change daily. It's the same for every city I've been to and it seems as though Bogota is not any different as your experience mirrors mine both in my really short time there (literally a couple of hours on 2 different days during late afternoon so hardly the prime time) and in my experience in every other place I've been to in Central America and Europe.
The first time I was there and walked around I could literally find 2-3 girls on each block I would fuck. In fact there are 2 in particular that ticked all my specific boxes that I kick myself for not seeing and I'm really hoping I can hook up with them when I'm there. The very next time I was there and it was different, there were still some girls I could do but not as many as my first visit including the abscence of the 2 I really wanted to be there. I imagine that had I spent longer and gone back there on subsequent days I'the keep repeating that sort of pattern of there sometimes being a lot of girls I like the look of vs another day of not as many or maybe even none. It was the exact same in the 2 clubs I visited too. One was great one day and sucked the next while the other club was the opposite. Sucked the 1st time and was great the 2nd time. Again, I have a feeling that this would also repeat that same cycle.
For you guys that can get down there for longer than 3-4 days and can spend 1,2,3 weeks or even a month. I envy you. I don't know if I could do 1 whole month in one place if it was just for fucking girls because realistically once back in the states I would have that slight feeling of "I wonder if Medellin or cartagena, etc would be better" but I think you're in a great position to ride out those ups and downs in both SG's and BG's. For the Miamiboy post I'm left just confused but it also seems you're more of an SA guy anyways so the bar and street scene anywhere isn't what you're interested in. Sounds like you have the time to play that game but also shows the lack of knowing that this thing runs in cycles. For the poster below that's wondering about if Bogota is worth it for the whole month then if it were me I would say head to another city for a week or two if the budget allows. You'll be able to reasonably compare both places knowing that if you're in a club or checking out sg's one day may not have any correlation yo what you're going to find over the next 3-5 days there. Something also tells me that you recognize both the pros and cons of the SA scene as well so as to know if that's a rabbit hole you want to go down in whatever city you choose.
I guess in the end, everyone has their own version of what they like in a girl. Personally, I know I'm going to do just fine with the quality of girls next time I'm down there.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2751574]None? Not 1 girl? That boggles my mind. I can walk through a Midwestern Walmart at 11 pm and almost always see a girl who I would fuck for $20. That's from a pool of 10-15 girls in the temple of fat women in spandex (and I don't do fat).
My last visit to Santa Fe I was already fucked out from 10 days in Medellin and was extremely tired, and still, in less than an hour, without entering any clubs, saw at least 20 who I'd been thrilled to get, even if the price was 150 k. If not for the chance to catch up with a friend, I wouldn't have even gone.
There were some fat ones. There were some older ones. Of course. People don't stop needing to eat just because they age or put on weight. If you need to eat, need to feed a family, you work, doing what you can.
There were plenty of women wearing cheap, not especially fashionable attire. If you're selling pussy on the streets in Bogota, you probably can't afford original designs from Donna Karan, and the power suit won't attract many customers. Instead, you spend 5 k on something that shows off what you're selling. Sure it makes the girls look like prostitutes working in a red light district, but isn't that the point?
Tattoos were in abundance, because it's no longer 1983. I'm not a fan of tattoos, but appreciate the artistry of some. Things change. For the people upset about tattooed women are you still complaining that you can't get 8 track tapes anymore?
Now to the burning question. If you wouldn't do any of the women, wouldn't even get close enough to talk to them, how do you know that every single one of, of the 100's you had to have seen, were very high mileage and only provided very basic, all covered service?
This is important, because that's a fucking incredible talent. Think about it. You could sit down at a poker table and before the cards are shuffled know what everyone will have and how they'll bet. Then there's the sports betting. That's $1 million every weekend betting on the games when you already know exactly how every game will turn out.
There's probably a name for that syndrome, the unreasonable need to trash everything because you don't like 1 thing. I see it everywhere. It's rampant in online reviews. Someone orders a steak well done (which already shows poor judgement) and when it comes out medium, instead of politely explaining that the meat isn't sufficiently ruined, they write a review criticizing everything from the owner's haircut to the asphalt in the parking lot.
Personally, I find things like that useful. If someone can't find 1 good thing about a place, if they feel the need to make declarations about things which they can't possibly know, then I know their opinions are not based on reality.
I need to make a trip to Bogota this fall and was just going to stay long enough to do what I need to do. However, you've convinced me to take an extra day or 2 to hang out in Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]The fact that my opinion is different from yours doesn't mean it is not based on reality. I speak from my own experience. I had sessioned in SF before, and never had a mind blowing experience. Mediocre at best, which is expected from a high mileage girl. Speaking of high mileage, last time I was there I actually saw a girl that maybe I would do, but she was always busy even to talk to me. We just got exchanged Hello,'s and off she went with another customer. She did 3 guys, back to back, while I was there drinking my beers. When she finally became available, I passed on her, I didn't want to be her 4th (at the very least) customer that night. These girls are sex machines, they do one guy after another, do your own math. Some of them fuck more times than most of the mongers here fuck in entire lifetime. No wonder the service is mechanical and all covered. Totally expected. You don't walk in a McDonald's asking for a NY steak, right? Sf is kind of a fast food, so to speak. Cheap, quick, efficient. I understand the appeal of it to a monger from the US. Someone in his 50's-70's, maybe divorced, retired, on a budget, with literally no sex life back home. Fucking a 18-20 yo for 20 bucks is impossible back home. But here it is cheap, legal, and nobody will ever find out, in case you care about privacy. I'm not trashing the place, I actually said that it might be a good place to hang out with a buddy, have a few beers and watch the show. But I would rather prefer a nice NY steak at a sit down restaurant rather than a burger and fries at McDonald's, and still stay within my budget. I’m not some weekend warrior, I know the going rates at different venues and never throw crazy money at girls. What I am trying to say, is that one can venture outside of SF, and have a much more pleasant GFE experience for a reasonable price.
[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2751688]Thanks for the report. This reply isn't specific to your post (post was great) but to just SG's in general. I think you hit the nail on the head with regards to SG's and I'm thinking that for any of us that have done the SG scene in any place would know this but the scene is going to change daily. It's the same for every city I've been to and it seems as though Bogota is not any different as your experience mirrors mine both in my really short time there (literally a couple of hours on 2 different days during late afternoon so hardly the prime time) and in my experience in every other place I've been to in Central America and Europe.
The first time I was there and walked around I could literally find 2-3 girls on each block I would fuck. In fact there are 2 in particular that ticked all my specific boxes that I kick myself for not seeing and I'm really hoping I can hook up with them when I'm there. The very next time I was there and it was different, there were still some girls I could do but not as many as my first visit including the abscence of the 2 I really wanted to be there. I imagine that had I spent longer and gone back there on subsequent days I'the keep repeating that sort of pattern of there sometimes being a lot of girls I like the look of vs another day of not as many or maybe even none. It was the exact same in the 2 clubs I visited too. One was great one day and sucked the next while the other club was the opposite. Sucked the 1st time and was great the 2nd time. Again, I have a feeling that this would also repeat that same cycle.
For you guys that can get down there for longer than 3-4 days and can spend 1,2,3 weeks or even a month. I envy you. I don't know if I could do 1 whole month in one place if it was just for fucking girls because realistically once back in the states I would have that slight feeling of "I wonder if Medellin or cartagena, etc would be better" but I think you're in a great position to ride out those ups and downs in both SG's and BG's. For the Miamiboy post I'm left just confused but it also seems you're more of an SA guy anyways so the bar and street scene anywhere isn't what you're interested in. Sounds like you have the time to play that game but also shows the lack of knowing that this thing runs in cycles. For the poster below that's wondering about if Bogota is worth it for the whole month then if it were me I would say head to another city for a week or two if the budget allows. You'll be able to reasonably compare both places knowing that if you're in a club or checking out sg's one day may not have any correlation yo what you're going to find over the next 3-5 days there. Something also tells me that you recognize both the pros and cons of the SA scene as well so as to know if that's a rabbit hole you want to go down in whatever city you choose.
I guess in the end, everyone has their own version of what they like in a girl. Personally, I know I'm going to do just fine with the quality of girls next time I'm down there.[/QUOTE]You're exactly right that it varies from day to day. Actually, it varies by the hour. Not just in Santa Fe, but just about everywhere. One pass through you'll see nothing, next pass you might see a bunch who make the cut.
My suggestion, if you take the stroll and see nothing, grab a bite, step into a club, or buy a bottle of water and go again. It might take 3 or 4 times, but you'll find some good girls.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2751829]The fact that my opinion is different from yours doesn't mean it is not based on reality. I speak from my own experience. I had sessioned in SF before, and never had a mind blowing experience. Mediocre at best, which is expected from a high mileage girl. Speaking of high mileage, last time I was there I actually saw a girl that maybe I would do, but she was always busy even to talk to me. We just got exchanged Hello,'s and off she went with another customer. She did 3 guys, back to back, while I was there drinking my beers. When she finally became available, I passed on her, I didn't want to be her 4th (at the very least) customer that night. These girls are sex machines, they do one guy after another, do your own math. Some of them fuck more times than most of the mongers here fuck in entire lifetime. No wonder the service is mechanical and all covered. Totally expected. You don't walk in a McDonald's asking for a NY steak, right? Sf is kind of a fast food, so to speak. Cheap, quick, efficient. I understand the appeal of it to a monger from the US. Someone in his 50's-70's, maybe divorced, retired, on a budget, with literally no sex life back home. Fucking a 18-20 yo for 20 bucks is impossible back home. But here it is cheap, legal, and nobody will ever find out, in case you care about privacy. I'm not trashing the place, I actually said that it might be a good place to hang out with a buddy, have a few beers and watch the show. But I would rather prefer a nice NY steak at a sit down restaurant rather than a burger and fries at McDonald's, and still stay within my budget. Im not some weekend warrior, I know the going rates at different venues and never throw crazy money at girls. What I am trying to say, is that one can venture outside of SF, and have a much more pleasant GFE experience for a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]Everything is subjective. In my experience, you can get 10+ experience from a 30 year old, high volume pussy and 2 of 10 from a SA 20 sh beautiful girl. Everything depends on " the right time " her mood / your mood / her hormonal profile / her and your expectations / your skills to fuck her mind to get her involved / etc. At the same time, I don't want to say that 30 year old pussy is better than 20 year old One.
[QUOTE=TalkYes;2751578]So if you didn't session but you're commenting on the low quality of service, I'm guessing you've sessioned in previous a trip (s)? If so, are you saying the quality has gone down? I'm coming for a month and I'm wondering if I should spend half that time in Medellin. From what I've seen on youtube, sf is not what it used to be. That could also be youtube being more vigilent in removing videos. But on the Bogota map, 9 out of 10 listings are places that went out of business years ago and most links don't go anywhere. The Medellin map seems a lot more reliable and some of the reports on that page make it sounds pretty great, although I know it's more expensive. Medellin doesn't have an official zona de tolerencia but el centro looks promising during the day and parque lleras at night, and that's just the street scene. Clubs and casas look promising too. SA looks good for both cities but I know if I rely too heavily on that I'm going to have a lot of frustrating experiences with flaky girls with inflated egos. I also hate fancy restaurants almost as much as girls love them. Last time I offered to pay a girl more to skip the restaurant and she blocked me LOL.[/QUOTE]You are tiring to bargain with your luck. You should look for an insurance for pussy services. You try to make conclusions looking on the map. LOL.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2751829] I'm not trashing the place, I actually said that it might be a good place to hang out with a buddy, have a few beers and watch the show. But I would rather prefer a nice NY steak at a sit down restaurant rather than a burger and fries at McDonald's, and still stay within my budget. I'm not some weekend warrior, I know the going rates at different venues and never throw crazy money at girls. What I am trying to say, is that one can venture outside of SF, and have a much more pleasant GFE experience for a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]I don't think those shots were completely aimed at you. I think your criticisms were objective and relevant. I don't agree however with the comparison to mcdonalds vs a steakhouse just because every girl is essentially a free agent with her own menu, and the area she is working in may be somewhat indicative of the quality, but you can't act like it's a rule. There are shit restaurants in nice neighborhoods just like you can find great food in slums. There's also a bunch of different factors to consider: Your appearance and hygiene, did you put her off by haggling too much? Do you speak any spanish and if so does your shitty accent offend her? (some people's American accent when they speak spanish is offensive even to me and my spanish is pretty shit. You might be better off just not trying to speak spanish if you're going to say shit like "gratzeeus") Are you being too aggressive or does she feel at ease? One girl denied me a BBJ at the door but then we went inside and I guess she liked me more without my clothes because she started to do what she said she wouldn't. I attribute it to good lawn maintenance. All I'm saying is there's more to it than big mac vs steak.
[QUOTE=Igor54;2751905]Everything is subjective. In my experience, you can get 10+ experience from a 30 year old, high volume pussy and 2 of 10 from a SA 20 sh beautiful girl. Everything depends on " the right time " her mood / your mood / her hormonal profile / her and your expectations / your skills to fuck her mind to get her involved / etc. At the same time, I don't want to say that 30 year old pussy is better than 20 year old One.[/QUOTE]+1 on this one.
I've seen a girl who gave incredible 5 star GFE to 3 different guys and the 4th guy reported that she was terrible. I've had girls who blew my mind 2 or 3 times then gave bored, mechanical service.
Sex for hire isn't like cooking a steak, which isn't difficult. If you know how to pick a good piece of meat, you're almost there. Just recently my girlfriend flew in from Medellin and stayed with me for 7 weeks. On the day she arrived, I put in the effort to make it special and the sex was fantastic. Other nights I just phoned it in and the sex was just average.