Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

Dear fellow members and seniors, I am new to this forum. Although I have read both the threads of Tulips only and except Tulip, I was not sure so I am requesting suggestion. I will be in BKK soon for few days, I am looking for some recommendation based on current scenario. As things changes, so does the girls, so does their service level. If I have to keep top 4 priority in the Oilies for PSE. Which place or person should be.

My experience from last few trips at Oilies:

I have been to Cherry on my last trip in August, taken Focus, She is not a looker may be 4/10, body 6. 5/10, slim & tight, as someone from this forum recommended I went for her. Same work flow as any other oilies, but she was chatty, enthusiastic and eager to please, took from her back door without any hesitation and like a true champion. Any position I like she obliged. As I took her for 2 hours, and already shot my second load, I didn't thought the third time would be possible, but she was really eager and did everything she could by her mouth, hands and holes to get me off the third time. Never happened before for me 3 time in 2 hours. Total cost 2400 at counter and Tip 200. If looks not a big factor and service matters I can recommend her.

Next was Premier 101, this one was also recommended by few people. I can't remember her name for sure but something like Angie or Angel. It was an evening around 8 pm, I showed up there. Went through the album they presented. Most looked higher quality or class then other places, but not sure as they P.S. Too much on the photos. So asked them to get me someone younger, slim and not given birth. So they introduced me this girl, who I immediately selected, as her looks, height, features everything was exactly what I wanted. Went upstairs, and while chatting came to know, she mostly serviced the Japanese, customers and can speak Japanese too. She said the westerners didn't prefer her as she have fair skin. Anyway it was not so interesting at the beginning and not a PSE experience. But man oh man, what a body and face. After I gave her a long and skillful DATY she said she came, and her lower abdomen was shaking and so was her legs. Took rest for a while then went to cleanup. Now something happened I didn't expect. She was totally changed, looked happy, energetic and more willing, this session was totally different, somewhat like a PSE and GFE mixed. Overall my best oily experience so far. Total 2600 and Tip 500. She might be different for different person, and her service too. So if looks, figure and class matters I can recommend her.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1796409]Does it make it illogical for them to try to charge this? No. Is is still kind of daft for dudes to pay this? Absolutely. Really? Of course we can. We are the market. And right now almost all venues are hurting. Why? High prices and poor service.[/QUOTE]If I had to guess, It would be supply and demand. I know people like to say that "This is Thailand," but I just don't think even Thai markets can escape supply and demand. The supply of talent is low and the demand is too high.

Supply low:

-Might be the sponsoring that goes on. The best / most-popular girls will get sponsored / married / move-in with a punter full time. This is no different than when they get barfined in-advanced via phone and you never get to see them dance anymore. Only the meh quality girls are left. I was at Soi Cowboy last night and nothing I liked was there. A lot of slightly overweight 6's.

-Better education and low unemployment means money isn't as important for survival. A lot of girls work in P4 P because of the need for money, not because they are just some callous gold digger.

-Asian female crisis in China and Japan. Many Thai girls are finding husbands from Japan and China because of the gender population issues in China, and the high income expectation Japanese women have on men (Japan has had a poor middle class economy for decades).

-The only places that seem to have decent looking women also have women from Myanmar / Cambodia / Laos working there (which is supposed to be illegal and the police are "supposed" to crack down on that).

Demand High:

-Demand is high from the internet / information age. I think it used to be a few people punters were in Thailand. Once that all became publicized it grew more and more, bringing in larger amounts of tourist from all countries.

-Thailand is a safe and known sex tourist area. It's safe, unlike say Laos which could be a bad idea to stay in for P4P.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1796409]Does it make it illogical for them to try to charge this? No. Is is still kind of daft for dudes to pay this? Absolutely. Really? Of course we can. We are the market. And right now almost all venues are hurting. Why? High prices and poor service.[/QUOTE]Time to move on. For some curious reason you argue that prices are high and service poor. Was ever thus in the world. In reality in my view based on long experience in most cases the service at the better class paces is better and the prices commensurate with that service. There is a wider variety; WGs are better educated and more sophisticated.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1796525]Time to move on. For some curious reason you argue that prices are high and service poor. Was ever thus in the world. In reality in my view based on long experience in most cases the service at the better class paces is better and the prices commensurate with that service. There is a wider variety; WGs are better educated and more sophisticated.[/QUOTE]Some of us could care less whether the WGs we see are educated or sophisticated. What we look for in WGs are good-looking girls who give good service, not intellectual conversation. Although I may be a bit more moderate, but only a bit, than Goatscrot in my view of how things have evolved in the P4 P scene in Bangkok over the last ten or more years, I tend to agree with him about the decline in service and looks, at least at those places us farangs generally frequent (don't know about the places that employ the better educated and more sophisticated WG's, nor, I suspect do many of us in this forum). On the other hand, with regard to the PSE oilies, while this decline in service and looks has occurred to an extent, I do think some of us tend to idealize what they were like years ago. But the PSE oilies are one sector of the market where there has not been significant inflation.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1796525]Time to move on. For some curious reason you argue that prices are high and service poor. Was ever thus in the world. In reality in my view based on long experience in most cases the service at the better class paces is better and the prices commensurate with that service. There is a wider variety; WGs are better educated and more sophisticated.[/QUOTE]Oilies and soapies are virtually the same price that they were years ago. There was a 100 Baht tax instituted in about '06 or so, but other than that no real increase. As far as the quality, I can't comment on the soapies, although I really doubt that any of the really hot pricey gals there would attach themselves like a sea lamprey to my rice exit, blow bubbles with my emission, talk nasty and tell me of her desires and exploits, get me off three times in two hours, or beg to be taken in the keister. If that is what you mean by price being commensurate with service, then point me to the venue and sign me up. I'm willing to part with my 6 K at that point for the looker.

The PSE oilies have seen a decline in the overall price / value matrix so to speak over the past few years. Tulip and Bongkot still provide consistent excellent service, but almost all of the gals are nothing to look at and some are just, well, frightening. The other PSEs are a bit iffier and when you head to Addict you have no idea what you are going to get. Standards there really don't exist.

GoGos. I haven't bothered in years. Cowboy has been on the decline since the Arab bought his first bar, Midnight.

As far as FLs are concerned I would say quality is way down compared with 10 years ago. Why? Because there are far more well paying "regular" jobs available to gals these day. My thoughts are quite the opposite of yours. I find fewer well educated WGs. Back in day there were lots of office gals that went out a few times a month to supplement their incomes. Now very few. They don't need to anymore. What we are left with is the least common denominator. Those who don't want a "regular" job and those who are not qualified or can't hold a regular job. Sophisticated? In LOS? You have got to be kidding me.

I feel that nowadays the girl who has pretty face and nice body can easy get customers through her smartphone or laptop. No need to work for any center anymore. She just throw some info online or other kind of ads and get customers can afford the price she's asking for. The one who had her and felt satisfy can introduce her to other men he knows. So with this process she can have enough customer to stay away from any kind of service (soapy oily go go or even escort). Imagine she has about 100 frequent guests so each day she can get 200 $ in few hours and spend the rest of day to do other thing she wants or go to collage / uni if she hopes for bright future.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1796551]Oilies and soapies are virtually the same price that they were years ago. There was a 100 Baht tax instituted in about '06 or so, but other than that no real increase. As far as the quality, I can't comment on the soapies, although I really doubt that any of the really hot pricey gals there would attach themselves like a sea lamprey to my rice exit, blow bubbles with my emission, talk nasty and tell me of her desires and exploits, get me off three times in two hours, or beg to be taken in the keister. If that is what you mean by price being commensurate with service, then point me to the venue and sign me up. I'm willing to part with my 6 K at that point for the looker.

The PSE oilies have seen a decline in the overall price / value matrix so to speak over the past few years. Tulip and Bongkot still provide consistent excellent service, but almost all of the gals are nothing to look at and some are just, well, frightening. The other PSEs are a bit iffier and when you head to Addict you have no idea what you are going to get. Standards there really don't exist.

GoGos. I haven't bothered in years. Cowboy has been on the decline since the Arab bought his first bar, Midnight.

As far as FLs are concerned I would say quality is way down compared with 10 years ago. Why? Because there are far more well paying "regular" jobs available to gals these day. My thoughts are quite the opposite of yours. I find fewer well educated WGs. Back in day there were lots of office gals that went out a few times a month to supplement their incomes. Now very few. They don't need to anymore. What we are left with is the least common denominator. Those who don't want a "regular" job and those who are not qualified or can't hold a regular job. Sophisticated? In LOS? You have got to be kidding me.[/QUOTE]You complain about prices and the lack of standards that you were used to. IMHO it is the fault of the punters that haven't caught up with market conditions and are looking for prices that might have been valid 10 years ago. Everything in Bangkok has become more expensive and to talk about an average wage of 300 Baht a day which is the absolute minimum wage as the benchmark is sheer ludicrous. The girls do the job because they want to make substantially more than that. And if they cannot make this money in Thailand they just go abroad. Where are all the superstars? A lot of them are working in Korea and Singapore these days where they can earn their FU money in one or two years and then leave the business.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1796615]You complain about prices and the lack of standards that you were used to. IMHO it is the fault of the punters that haven't caught up with market conditions and are looking for prices that might have been valid 10 years ago. Everything in Bangkok has become more expensive and to talk about an average wage of 300 Baht a day which is the absolute minimum wage as the benchmark is sheer ludicrous..[/QUOTE]When I started driving £1. 00 bought you five gallons of petrol; now £1. 10 buys you a litre. I accept that, live with it and recognise "things have changed". I wish I had kept records of my first trip to Bangkok but, even on my low salary I had a ball. One all nighter cost me a cheap meal and a taxi home. Probably no more that £4-5.

But I do not bewail the fact that I have to now spend Baht 2500 of an FL. And pay an oily girl Baht 1500 for a BJ and possibly sex.

I will be back shortly to enjoy young flesh without complaining!

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1796615]You complain about prices and the lack of standards that you were used to. IMHO it is the fault of the punters that haven't caught up with market conditions and are looking for prices that might have been valid 10 years ago. Everything in Bangkok has become more expensive and to talk about an average wage of 300 Baht a day which is the absolute minimum wage as the benchmark is sheer ludicrous. The girls do the job because they want to make substantially more than that. And if they cannot make this money in Thailand they just go abroad. Where are all the superstars? A lot of them are working in Korea and Singapore these days where they can earn their FU money in one or two years and then leave the business.[/QUOTE]As I stated in the post below. I would have no issues paying more money for great looks and better service. What bothers me is paying more for less; which seems to be the norm. And yes, I blame the punters for not demanding good service, not complaining when they don't get it, and in general accepting what they get no matter how good or bad it is. It is funny but dudes don't seem to do that with any other service. Only P4 P.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;1795914]Upon the advice of EiHTooms I decided to take a look at the Soi Cowboy establishments. (. . .)

I stayed there for a hour or so and almost bar fined one of the providers there. Before committing I decided to check out Crazy House first.[/QUOTE]Going to look for an even better opportunity in the next bar or club, is the ideal recipe for going home alone and getting frustrated.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;1795914]After a few minutes of watching my eyes met with a smoking hot natural curved hotty. After all of the rejections encountered I figured this chick was probably booked by some Japanese dude or the like.[/QUOTE]You think and assume too much. If she's on the stage, chances are overwhelmingly good that she's still available.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;1795914]I bought her a drink and had her attention for a few minutes. This was now 2:30 am. I asked her what time this closes and she replied 4:00 am. Then she went on to state how exhausted she was and was going to have to continue to dance. After she went back on the stage, I realized that I was going to need at least $3000.00 bhats or so.[/QUOTE]Who cares when the bar closes? Or did you try to avoid paying a barfine? Anyhow, 2:30 is already very late. Personally I find that most of my barfines happen between 10 and 11 PM. Then neither she nor I are exhausted and I have a fair chance to get two pops out of my LT before going to sleep and one more in the morning.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;1795914]
Regardless of the outcome from this place, I have to say meeting a friendly down to earth 8. 5 was so, so very refreshing after days of disappointments that I now have hope that they do exist.[/QUOTE]I do hope your "luck" continues, but I do have to say that I do not understand all these complaints about lack of quality in agogo clubs, oilies, soapies or bars. So far on this trip (which sadly is drawing to a close now) I have partaken of Eden Club, Suzi Wong, Snowwhite, Sayuri (Chiang Mai) and Soi 6 (Pattaya) and never was I disappointed. And I may say that my standards have increased since I hooked up with a Thai GF from Chiang Rai I met on "Thai Friendly" and when we're together she keeps me sexually occupied almost night and day.

Have I just been lucky? I doubt it.

Is it due to my "perfect game"? I wish it was, but I'm 56 years old (but I look younger, my GF says), I'm at least 10 kg overweight and balding. However I'm easy going and take the dice the way they fall. Perhaps, if you just expect good things to happen to you, it actually does.

Hi everyone!

Here in Bangkok for a quick business trip. I have been to Bangkok a few times before.

I read a very online favorable article about a Japanese style soapy called Mitu.

Anyone ever try or know about this place? I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't reading a fluff piece.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1796817]Hi everyone!

Here in Bangkok for a quick business trip. I have been to Bangkok a few times before.

I read a very online favorable article about a Japanese style soapy called Mitu.

Anyone ever try or know about this place? I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't reading a fluff piece.[/QUOTE]I tried it on my last trip and was underwhelmed by the experience. The entrance is really nice and you need to choose the girl looking at the pics on an ipad. I went early afternoon around 3 pm and there wasnt much of a choice available. The service from the girl I picked was nothing to write home about. I would not return to the place.

I hope I don't get nailed for this, but I was hoping for some quick recommendations.

I have read the forums in the past, but there are SO many places and venues in Bangkok to research that I had usually given up and just hung out at Soi Cowboy.

But this time I am curious. I want to check out a soapy. Can anyone recommend the "best" ones? Since I am not here long term, I am not concerned with finding the best value per se. I would actually prefer a little higher end as long as its not too crazy a splurge.

I have read back on ISG as well as some other websites. One recommended Mitu. Most recommend Nataree, though most admit that it is a little worn down. I was thinking of checking out Emmanuelle or Poseiden.

And although I don't think it would be my cup of tea, I would like to at least eyeball a BJ club just once. Is there a classic one? I have only heard of BJ Salon.

I was also thinking of checking out the proverbial "ping pong ball" club. Is there a classic that isn't a cash grab?

Lots of questions, I know. Just a little overwhelmed by the vastness of options.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1796629]As I stated in the post below. I would have no issues paying more money for great looks and better service. What bothers me is paying more for less; which seems to be the norm. And yes, I blame the punters for not demanding good service, not complaining when they don't get it, and in general accepting what they get no matter how good or bad it is. It is funny but dudes don't seem to do that with any other service. Only P4 P.[/QUOTE]The 300 baht a day minimum wage is at least partly relevant. What kind of jobs do you think most of these girls would be doing if not working in P4 P? If the price of an oily went up from at 2300 for 90 minutes to 3000 tomorrow, do you think service levels would increase suddenly? Or would they remain the same, with the girls knowing full well that no one ever really complains or few actually directly demand good service as they would have to in a high end club serving local clientele. The price structure as it is provides the opportunity for girls who are known to provide good service to make in excess of 7 figure baht incomes per month. I work with many Thai people daily who have worked hard to earn good qualifications and work long hours who don't earn anything like that.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1796859]I hope I don't get nailed for this, but I was hoping for some quick recommendations.

...And although I don't think it would be my cup of tea, I would like to at least eyeball a BJ club just once. Is there a classic one? I have only heard of BJ Salon.

[/QUOTE]I have no recommendations for the soapies or ping pong ball shows. But for a shot at the best BJ bars in the city, I would steer you to:

1. Kasalong Bar. The better line up is the pre-6 PM daytime shift, but YMMV.

2. LOL-ita's. It has to be typed something like that or the site will only post it as a "Code Word". The better line up is the post-6 PM evening shift, but YMMV here too.

Both of those BJ bars are located on a tiny sub-soi that runs between Soi 8 (turn right at the first 7-11 as you walk away from Sukhumvit Road on Soi 8, close to Exit 4 BTS Nana Station) and Soi 6 (turn left essentially at the only tiny soi you can turn left on as you walk away from Sukhumvit Road, same Exit 4 on the BTS Nana Station as above but walking in the other direction when you get to the sidewalk). Kasalong Bar has the newer and better facilities, BJ cubicles with an actual door while LOL-ita's is hobbled, imo, by an out-dated and, for me, less comfortable setting where the regular BJ deed is done while sitting on a restaurant style booth behind a curtain in a room full of booths behind curtains. Both bars have private Short Time rooms available for 900-1000 baht more than the usual 800 baht BJ service with a bed, separate shower and toilet.

3. For perhaps the most relaxed, experienced and expertly managed service of all the BJ bars, I would recommend Som's Haven on a small sub soi just off to the right of Soi 14 across from Terminal 21 mall at Sukhumvit / Asok (BTS and MRT trains meet across the road at Sukhumvit and Asok). It might not have the cute young lookers found at Kasalong Bar and LOL-ita's, or rather as many, but owner / mamasan Som genuinely wants to make sure you get what you wanted when you climb the stairs to one of their cubicles or Short Time rooms.