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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2137973]Hamdulillah Takedown!

Some NRW clubs like Living Room have been skating dangerously close to this threshold for years, so even a small dip in quality can have disproportionate effects -- wide cracks beneath the feet of the polar bears![/QUOTE]Praise be to God.

Yes, I feel the same way. LR has been surviving off of local clients and a few superstars for a bit now. When the few superstars are on holiday, LR visits become a catastrophe.

It's the only club that I actually call to see if specific girls are working.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2137985]To clarify to other readers, I didn't approach the girls there except one that I didn't go with. As you know, the girl I went with was actually on your recommendation. And she approached us 2 or 3 times before I went with her.[/QUOTE]Yes, but I am wondering if we sometimes just have to go with the girls while they approach us instead of returning to them 20 minutes later. Just a theory that must be practised more. She didn't upsell to me in the past though. But then again it was the type of upsell that was not around before recently. Too bad really, but your counter worked at least. I couldn't do it on the 30 min session I did with her this time. So she is a nut to crack for sure.

[QUOTE=Gorge2;2137814]I've spent 3000 euros over the last couple of weeks at FKKs. How much do you guys typically spend?[/QUOTE]I'm a cheap Charlie! I spend the entry & one 30 min room. I sleep in my car to save on hotel.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2138170]I'm a cheap Charlie! I spend the entry & one 30 min room. I sleep in my car to save on hotel.[/QUOTE]Full entry? You don't go for the discounts?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2138008]Yes, but I am wondering if we sometimes just have to go with the girls while they approach us instead of returning to them 20 minutes later. Just a theory that must be practised more. She didn't upsell to me in the past though. But then again it was the type of upsell that was not around before recently. Too bad really, but your counter worked at least. I couldn't do it on the 30 min session I did with her this time. So she is a nut to crack for sure.[/QUOTE]We should not forget that we are in the club for fun now if we consider that it is like in a business meeting why not but probably not the best option to get great time and we should never forget that to negotiate we need to be two and also to be a bit sophisticated what is not the case for most of the girls, some of them are reacting very negatively and immediately speaking with their friends.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2137581]Cities like Berlin or Barcelona can be fun even when solo travelling. And it is easy to meet new people there. London is fun too if you like soccer.

In eastern Europe I found Prague to be mediocre fun. Its OK. I am guessing Budapest is slightly better even though I only drove through and picked up two guys there. I've tried Riga, Split and Odessa too. All of which were a bit boring. Maybe Kiev and Bucharest is nicer. Or St. P if you want to do the hassle with Russian visa. For Poland Krakow and perhaps Sopot may be best. Otherwise there is the Bulgarian and Romanian coastal cities for summertime: Mamaia beach and Sunny beach. Good for partying I hear and easy to meet girls back home for vacation in their home countries. Maybe possible for some simple fun too.[/QUOTE]I have been in Constanza Mammaia this summer and decided not to visit again. Odessa is ten times better in summer.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2138399]I have been in Constanza Mammaia this summer and decided not to visit again. Odessa is ten times better in summer.[/QUOTE]Fully agree with you no point of interest to visit Constanza, better to visit the Cote the azur, also a lot of cities to visit in Germany, Berlin worth at least 5 days, hamburg, München, bayreuth.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2137864]Straight to the point, about Hessen. It appears that Sharks has in fact become tainted with the upsell flu. I've never had so many offers for CIM at this club. What kondompflicht? I say this because it's used as an extortion tactic to get the 100 euro half hours. Want a half hour with BBBJ with a girl you've never been with? You're probably going to have to pay that extra 50, so you might as well CIM. Anal was also offerred more frequently. Good 1 hour rooms for 100 euro is still possible but I had to speak about the pricing outside of the room, not my favorite thing to do. I'm usually a 1 hour guy but even the 1 hour good session received some push back, with the girls fishing for 150 euro 1 hour rooms. I went on Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday so perhaps it's not as bad on non-peak days. Overall, casting was down in regards to optics but Sharks always has plenty of girls who look stunning from far away as well as the hoard of teenie girls next door, as Sirioja would say. Anyway, my regulars seemed to have given me the polite blackball for various reasons so I ended up trying what I call the class of 2017: Helen, Athena, Lily, and Estephania.[/QUOTE]I went on a non-peak day, and it was a similar experience. I wrote about it in the Sharks thread.

Speaking about anal, how are so many ladies willing to offer it as upsell at a whim when they need to be prepped beforehand? It is hard to believe they've all cleaned themselves properly there but I have not heard or read of any accidents either.

I think all FKK clubs management teams should be very cautious to this trend. If Using social media Apps to pre-book girls become a mainstream, FKK clubs would become escort in-call room. It will fundamentally ruin FKK business due to the obvious fact that FKK clubs will lose huge amount of money.

Every FKK club, especially Sharks or Oase, spends huge money to maintain their hardwares and softwares each year. However, these investments will become worthless, if the club's function is just equivalent to a cheap and shabby escort-in-call rooms.

Pre-booking would make Lineup deteriorate soon. As mentioned by horny Harry: "as a result the LU there is extremely unreliable as lots of high quality girls either meet customers outside the club or these girls make arrangements to meet a customer inside the club at specific times and thus are no longer are a part of the visible LU."

Not only would it hurt interests of clubs and most mongers, but did hurt most WGs.

All clubs should discourage pre-booking behavior, and enforce first-come-first-serve policy. Yes, girls still have right to reject mongers due to monger's inappropriate behaviors.

[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2137477]Many clubs frown upon girls meeting customers outside of the club, because of the simple reason that clubs want to cash the 65 Euro entrance fees......

GT would probably be the only exception, but as a result the LU there is extremely unreliable as lots of high quality girls either meet customers outside the club or these girls make arrangements to meet a customer inside the club at specific times and thus are no longer are a part of the visible LU. ....[/QUOTE]

UncleOx,

In my past visits pre-booking proved extremely unreliable in FKK environment. There were times when pre-booked girl never showed up. This was in LR in 2016 and 2017. Other time my Sharks girl was pre-booked by me but was nowhere around at the designated time. I waited close to an hour and went to a room with a different lady. 45 min later I see the pre-booked girl. Both of us say where were you? And both answered "in the room"! She wanted to go but I said I need a time off. We laughed but kept going back to rooms with someone else all night long, occasionally waiving to one another at the breaks. I actually managed to session with her the next day, no appointment LOL. I no longer book in advance except "will you be in the club tomorrow?

I am sure the situation you describing is different, since now there are girls trying to make pre-booking their business model. Maybe you could you share your experiences?

[QUOTE=UncleOx;2139777]I think all FKK clubs management teams should be very cautious to this trend. If Using social media Apps to pre-book girls become a mainstream, FKK clubs would become escort in-call room. It will fundamentally ruin FKK business due to the obvious fact that FKK clubs will lose huge amount of money.[/QUOTE]Hey there UncleOx. Chill!

Pre-booking has been happening since the invention of the text message. This phenomenon has been going on for many many years!

Works like this. Pre-book Guy gets his jollies. WG gets her cash. Club gets paid both entry fees. No-book Guy just waits his turn or (in time) turns into another Pre-Book Guy.

Happens a lot in the bigger clubs and with the more sought after WGs (sometimes I wonder). Happens more and more with guys travelling long distance and who want to make sure the "girl of their dreams" is moist and waiting for them with open legs (and open purse)! Sure sure pre-booking can be done now via WhatsApp, FaceBook etc. Etc. And not just by text message or dare I say, the old fashioned way by telephone call. Truth be told pre-booking always happened at a local level. Just more tourists are aware of the possibility now.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2139801]UncleOx,

In my past visits pre-booking proved extremely unreliable in FKK environment. There were times when pre-booked girl never showed up. This was in LR in 2016 and 2017. Other time my Sharks girl was pre-booked by me but was nowhere around at the designated time. I waited close to an hour and went to a room with a different lady. 45 min later I see the pre-booked girl. Both of us say where were you? And both answered "in the room"! She wanted to go but I said I need a time off. We laughed but kept going back to rooms with someone else all night long, occasionally waiving to one another at the breaks. I actually managed to session with her the next day, no appointment LOL. I no longer book in advance except "will you be in the club tomorrow?

I am sure the situation you describing is different, since now there are girls trying to make pre-booking their business model. Maybe you could you share your experiences?[/QUOTE]I think that pre-booking can only work if you know very well the girl and there is trustful relationship, most of the girls have low education and are not really able to manage their agenda or even to know what they will do the coming days, how many times a girl that a sessioned in a club told me I want to see you tomorrow we made a appointment for the next day for several hours session but she never came working, for multiple reasons, sick, period, can wake up, the mother is sick. At the end of the end I stopped making any appointment just go to the club and see who is there.

Hi Smoke light,

I am against pre-booking behaviors in FKK, in order to preserve the unique characters in this field. Otherwise, FKK clubs would be downgraded to escort in-call rooms.

There are large numbers escorts service in Germany. Those mongers prefer pre-booking, then please go ahead to use escorts. I just don't understand why these mongers would like to make FKK clubs become escort in-call rooms.

Pre-booking would potentially cause unnecessary hostilities, while First-come-first-serve would not.

My personal experience. Girl S (GS) was one of the most popular girls in Sharks. She did give me her contact, but I never use it, Because she always give me priority whenever she was at club. On October 22,2016, Saturday, I entered Sharks around 11:40, I saw GS sitting at Bar area. She told me She was waiting for a custom, a half-hour pre-booking appt at 12:00. I said OK I would go with her after that.

When I wandered around dinner area, Suddenly someone hugged me from the back. It was GS. I looked at watch, it was just 12:10. I was surprised she ended so soon. She told me it was a no-show. Then we went to room.

We stayed together for almost 4 hours. It was 4 pm (16:00) when we went downstairs. Just the time I opened small locker to get wallet, I happened to see a guy, sitting opposite to Janine' sofa, stared at us unfriendly. He walked toward GS immediately after I paid her. I overheard he said something loudly when I entered man's shower place. I tried to avoid any trouble and stayed in lockers room for 20 minuets.

Later on I saw GS again at 5 pm. She had put on her coat and was ready to leave. I went towards hugging her and asked why she left so early. She said she felt headache. I asked if the guy yelled at her. She just said he was just the guy made appointment but no-show. He claimed he had waited for 4 hours. Thus made GS very nervous and she decided to leave early, much earlier than her regular schedule.

I left too. Again, I don't fear anyone, but I did try to avoid any trouble. I always remember the guy's hostility.

What happened in GT these days, are examples that pre-booking cause unnecessary bothersome. As mentioned in Horny Harry posts:

[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2140454]Go try out GT, it's upsell and pre-booking paradise! (of course no pre-booking is possible without an upsell of minimum 1 hour in the room + tip, otherwise you'll get the 'sorry baby, I don't have time you you this weekend' WhatsApp message).[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SmokeLight;2139801]UncleOx,

In my past visits pre-booking proved extremely unreliable in FKK environment. There were times when pre-booked girl never showed up. This was in LR in 2016 and 2017. Other time my Sharks girl was pre-booked by me but was nowhere around at the designated time. I waited close to an hour and went to a room with a different lady. 45 min later I see the pre-booked girl. Both of us say where were you? And both answered "in the room"! She wanted to go but I said I need a time off. We laughed but kept going back to rooms with someone else all night long, occasionally waiving to one another at the breaks. I actually managed to session with her the next day, no appointment LOL.[/QUOTE]

Are the clubs open on Easter Sunday?

[QUOTE=Beeoch;2140887]Are the clubs open on Easter Sunday?[/QUOTE]Which Club?