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[QUOTE=Pistons;2262329]I think this is multisided coin. Many girls take the initial stance of holding back. But if you are able to make chemistry happen, it is possible with many girls to get more than her standard routine. Unfortunately some girls are more routine oriented than others, so it gets fragmented. And some clubs have more groups of girls forcing more upselling and withholding of things they do for standard rate than other clubs. Partly due to the base rate being so stagnant for many years, and we are facing the downside of the girls doing this as a silent protest. Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.[/QUOTE]Part of it may also be linked to the fine print in the July 2017 regulation. I'm sure most ladies aren't aware of all that is contained in the regulation but they have figured out some things and in some clubs it's become more of a movement. They also seem to be playing with the financial tolerance of the men. When men come from prostitution economies where the rate is €300-500 per hour they seem to be more likely to accept €200 per hour in a German club. This sucks for men like me who are used to local prices but it is happening. I don't mind if a lady withholds certain services as long as they are withheld upfront before I'm in the room. When it happens in the room it's like anti-Viagra.

I hope the WGs don't take it too far and start wearing yellow vests.

Hi guys,

I'm quite new to FKK land, so my question to all you out there.

I met a girl in a FKK club, the sex feeling with her is ultimate great, but her real look, charakter, attitude and educations are just not my type.

I'm not sure if the girl is in real love with me or just business?

We had 30 hours or more room- hours experience with all kind of VIP services. (including AO).

(Payment just the standard room rate without any extras).

And we had been doing 10+ outside dates without payments.

She wants visit my home, but I'm not sure about this yet.

Does people had same experience before?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2262329]Partly due to the base rate being so stagnant for many years, and we are facing the downside of the girls doing this as a silent protest. Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.[/QUOTE]That Colombian I was talking about, she was 20 and newly arrived in Spain. To say she was motivated by a working-class consciousness of stagnant European rates a la Bertolt Brecht would be a bit of a stretch. It is much more likely that her reserve was influenced by the swaggering pimp downstairs. When you can clearly see cartoon characters like this in the immediate environment, it's easier to imagine what's going on: that the guy claimed the prettiest girl in the casa as his special girlfriend, that he told her to give limited services to customers, and so on.

By contrast in Germany the pimps are compelled to stay in the background much more. "What's out of sight is out of mind" -- consequently, it's easy for frequent FKK'ers to vastly underestimate the role that the "handlers" play. And this can be insidious when mongers are being deceived (like poor Bonsai below).

In Switzerland there is also an FKK scene, but laws and enforcement are more relaxed, so in smaller FKKs you see the pimp phenomenon re-emerge. For instance there is one FKK called El Harem with a lot of Brazilian girls, and the owner seems to literally treat the place as his private harem, just renting out the girls to customers occasionally -- again, no surprise that they offer more reserved services to customers than you would normally expect from Brazilians. And I know at least two other Swiss FKKs that work that way too.

I mention this because to my mind it is not the way the FKK concept is supposed to work, and it seems like a retrogression to brothel days.

In particular my heart bleeds for German youths who are being trained up to think Second-Class Sex is the norm. On one side you have the pimps telling the girls not to kiss and keeping them rigidly under control, while on the other side the German government is mandating things like the merkel-BJ and spreading scare stories about disease, and everybody is trying to strangulate sex and squeeze the fun out of it.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2262329]Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.[/QUOTE]You can't compare people who're making between 900 and 1300 euros a month in France (50 € a day for some) to women who are paid 50 € for half an hour, that's not realistic.

Just met a great kisser in New Zealand and it made me think how few and far between they are. Of the 25-30 ladies I've engaged in DFK this year, I would only class 6 of them as really great kissers. So maybe 20% and the others are solid OK or meh.

Is that your experience also? Low percentage of really great DFK?

My sample is from Brazil (2), China (1), Japan (1), USA (1), Germany (1), UK, New Zealand / Australia (1).

And only 2 who I would pay exclusively to kiss — Thifany Brazil and Bella NZ. Yes that good.

[QUOTE=Bonsai;2262605]Hi guys,

I'm quite new to FKK land, so my question to all you out there.

I met a girl in a FKK club, the sex feeling with her is ultimate great, but her real look, charakter, attitude and educations are just not my type.

I'm not sure if the girl is in real love with me or just business?

We had 30 hours or more room- hours experience with all kind of VIP services. (including AO).

(Payment just the standard room rate without any extras).

And we had been doing 10+ outside dates without payments.

She wants visit my home, but I'm not sure about this yet.

Does people had same experience before?[/QUOTE]It might be a trap, but if you enjoyed it, give it a try and let us know what happened.

You Only Live Once!

[QUOTE=Bonsai;2262605]Hi guys,

I'm quite new to FKK land, so my question to all you out there.

I met a girl in a FKK club, the sex feeling with her is ultimate great, but her real look, charakter, attitude and educations are just not my type.[/QUOTE]It sucks because your post also indicates that you are enjoying some of her attributes. Three options I see: stay the current course, tell her it's never going to be serious between you and her, just disappear from that scene.

You say here that the sex is crazy good but her real looks and character, attitude and education are just not your type. That statement should be all of the answer you need to lead you to option two or three, both of which result in an upset woman and an end to the crazy good sex with this woman.

The last line of your post makes me think that you're struggling with a different question, can things between you and her work out? If that's your question my answer is it's possible but the odds are against you. You fight the cultural differences between countries and you fight the cultural differences between your regular life and her work life. This is a huge stack against you.

My last advice comes from personal experience.

No matter how well I thought I knew a WG it always came down to money and help. As soon as they knew the cries for help no longer resulted in increased cash flow her interest in me lessened. If it was my son asking I would say a better question would be, where can I find more women who provide this type service. Then go and try ten or twenty.

[QUOTE=Bonsai;2262605]Hi guys,

I'm quite new to FKK land, so my question to all you out there.

I met a girl in a FKK club, the sex feeling with her is ultimate great, but her real look, charakter, attitude and educations are just not my type.

I'm not sure if the girl is in real love with me or just business?

We had 30 hours or more room- hours experience with all kind of VIP services. (including AO).

(Payment just the standard room rate without any extras).

And we had been doing 10+ outside dates without payments.

She wants visit my home, but I'm not sure about this yet.

Does people had same experience before?[/QUOTE]If she is not your type why do you move it further to a relationship?

If you doubt just do with her what you would do with a normal girl and not a prostitute to see the true colors.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2262664]You can't compare people who're making between 900 and 1300 euros a month in France (50 a day for some) to women who are paid 50 for half an hour, that's not realistic.[/QUOTE]Well I just did, so apparently I can.

The top 30-40% of the girls ruled out, and you still have a 60-70% majority of girls who not only has to pay entry fees (although I know a few clubs have some rules around this), housing (rooms in the clubs is usually 25 e a night), and at 3rd room they start making money. If they have a slow day with just 1, or even 2 rooms in some clubs, they loose money. And since movements and unions are normally run by the majority, the minority who reeks in 10 000 a month is not considered. The bottom 10-20% in some clubs probably make as little as 500 euro a month after expenses. It is a result of the idea of the free market which is uncapped on the number of girls and clubs.

This is why I fully support one of the new regulations which wants to have a maximum amount of clubs within one area. And also, the bigger the clubs, the better the economics of scale as long as there is competition. At least in theory. Too bad reality shows large clubs abusing market position instead.

If you have too many girls competing for the same amount of money in the total unchanged moneypie, you get social dumping as a result. Simillair to what the french working class experience.

Financial theory baffles me in a way that it allways seems to forget about time spent waiting. It considers a service to be a type of good +time spent on the good. But it is not. A service is a type of good +time spent on the good +time spent between the time spent on the good. Basically we are paying extra for the time the girls waste between their sessions. And as this time increase, the moral falls, and social dumping happens. I believe this misshap from the economists are either a result of political will (economics is nothibg more than a social science), or a lack of real life understanding outside of white collar office and universities. Or a combination of both.

Reduce the number of girls in this profession with a cap on private prostitute licenses, and this time between sessions should fall. Thus increasing their wages instead of increasing the price. Also known as a regulated industry. The absense of this, also known as an unregulated industry is what we call lazzies faire capitalism, and it doesn't work. It creates social dumping and riots (yellow vests).

Hopefully the feminists wouldn't ruin idea of licenses by handing out prostitute licenses to 50 year old women with 40% bodyfat, while saying women shouldn't be meassured by their looks. And call this equality. Then that could dramatically affect the total money pie, because men would rather jerk of to porn instead of paying for sex then. But it is a looming danger that could happen when licenses are handed out centrally, and if the cap would be too small so that even the whales would make a good living from it.

That is why I sometines have hyped the girls who I like. Because I hate to see my favourites sit around twinning thumbs between their sessions. The time between their time spent in the room should preferably be as short as possible. Something akin to Mandy at sharks, or Lucy wherever she is now (babylon els perhaps). And that makes them stay around. Because I think they make very good money even if the 30 min price is just 50 e. But at some clubs I see my favourites sit around too much without making much. Oceans and Wellcum top girls perhaps especially. Wellcum having the provlem of veing out in the middle of nowhere even if it is tge top european FKK these days in average. But also Madalina at Samya for example in the past, and random other girls.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2262752]It might be a trap, but if you enjoyed it, give it a try and let us know what happened.

You Only Live Once![/QUOTE]What kind of trap that can be?

Could you tell all or at least some options?

Taking home is no option, so that not going to happened.

All I want is continue to have this great sex.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2262712]Just met a great kisser in New Zealand and it made me think how few and far between they are. Of the 25-30 ladies I've engaged in DFK this year, I would only class 6 of them as really great kissers. So maybe 20% and the others are solid OK or meh.

Is that your experience also? Low percentage of really great DFK?

My sample is from Brazil (2), China (1), Japan (1), USA (1), Germany (1), UK, New Zealand / Australia (1).

And only 2 who I would pay exclusively to kiss Thifany Brazil and Bella NZ. Yes that good.[/QUOTE]6 great kisser out of 30 ladies are just great!

From my 100 ladies (real GF, escorts, sugarbabes, lovers, FKK ladies, and all others).

Were just 2 really great kisser!

Bonsai. This is a very very common story, usually leading towards a big scam. Some girls play a long game. BUT there are exceptions and this girl could be one. If you have had ten meetings outside clubs for free then she is either a mistress of the long game or really likes you. So I would suggest that you assess the risks carefully (what could go wrong if she visits you, in terms of theft, bank accounts, allegations of crime, allegations of being the father of a child, and so on) and then as Jmioffe says, test it out.

Several guys from the forum have ended up in relationships with working girls, so you are not alone. I myself ended up in a situation where the girl was genuine, no scamming, but, as I was married, and she knew my wife, she had to call a halt to her inclinations.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2262823]It sucks because your post also indicates that you are enjoying some of her attributes. Three options I see: stay the current course, tell her it's never going to be serious between you and her, just disappear from that scene.

You say here that the sex is crazy good but her real looks and character, attitude and education are just not your type. That statement should be all of the answer you need to lead you to option two or three, both of which result in an upset woman and an end to the crazy good sex with this woman.

The last line of your post makes me think that you're struggling with a different question, can things between you and her work out? If that's your question my answer is it's possible but the odds are against you. You fight the cultural differences between countries and you fight the cultural differences between your regular life and her work life. This is a huge stack against you..[/QUOTE]Your option 1: will lead to an end soon or later.

Option 2: will lead to an end very soon.

Option 3: don't want give up this.

I personally totally like this girl, but like you said, "the odds are against me, or the odds are against our relation."

Different culture, my position, my big family community, her past, her job and so on.

Actually I like to know, if anyone had anything like this before and how its ended.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2262913]Bonsai. This is a very very common story, usually leading towards a big scam. Some girls play a long game. BUT there are exceptions and this girl could be one. If you have had ten meetings outside clubs for free then she is either a mistress of the long game or really likes you. So I would suggest that you assess the risks carefully (what could go wrong if she visits you, in terms of theft, bank accounts, allegations of crime, allegations of being the father of a child, and so on) and then as Jmioffe says, test it out.

Several guys from the forum have ended up in relationships with working girls, so you are not alone. I myself ended up in a situation where the girl was genuine, no scamming, but, as I was married, and she knew my wife, she had to call a halt to her inclinations.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.[/QUOTE]Hi Optimist,

When you started the relationship, did the girl already know your married? Or she find out later?

And how she "call halt her inclinations" ?

How it ended up? You still go with that girl?

Good or bad ending?