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[QUOTE=Sammy0721;1446958]3. Vodka bar is good for action on the off nights (Monday, Tuesday) and the action comes to you, you need to chase a bit more in D-Lux and Arena based on a long look type of flirt signal.[/QUOTE]When I visited VodkaBar they asked me for 1200UAH for sitting at a table.

Was it the same for you?

I could hardly identify any pro there.

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[QUOTE=CallSign Papa;1449661]Kiev is just like any other capital city, if you put yourself in a situation where your personal safety is compromised, your luck will eventually run out.[/QUOTE]My biggest fear in Kiev was walking through the subways late at night. Anybody ever have or hear of a problem?

Thank you all for useful advice.

I also wonder how 400UAH / 1h girls in escort websites like top-models are. I think some of them in pictures look nice. Will a different and ugly girl usually come? Should I confirm that I would let the girl who looks different from the picture go away without taxi fee when I call them?

Also, does the price usually include the taxi fee or not?

A word to the wise for anyone hunting on Mamba that comes across this girl Zhanna ([url]http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=955792406&hit=3[/url]) , do not waste your time. She is what I have read about on this forum of a "serial dater" who said she was from outside of town and scammed me lots of taxi money (her profile says Kiev) and had me take her out to very expensive places (yes, I made the mistake of seeing her twice as I thought she was really hot and thought I might have a chance to sex her). Very much a waste of time and my only bad experience in Kiev!

On the note of going back to a girl's apartment, I made this mistake once in Panama on my first international trip. Met a civvie who was all over me and giving me lap dances and having me take drinks off her tits. She convinced me to go to her apartment, in a very sketchy area of Panama City. We did the deed, and soon after we were done, there was a knock on the door. I was almost 100% sure I was about to get robbed by a gang of guys or worse. This was about 4 a. M. At this time, and I was standing there naked waiting for what was going to happen. Actually, nothing ended up happening. I know this girl liked me, and maybe she called the dogs off, or maybe it was just a neighbor or something. It scared the shit out of me though, and taught me a lesson for the future. I knew it was probably not a great idea to begin with, but my little head was making the decisions. Always take a girl to your place!

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1449715]My biggest fear in Kiev was walking through the subways late at night. Anybody ever have or hear of a problem?[/QUOTE]No, I think as long as you're minding your own business you're ok. The key is to avoid eye contact when you see the teen hooligan gangs coming the other way, the rest are drunks and shysters, easily waved off.

The only trouble I ever see there is near MacDonalds at 4-5am, when the locals start swinging for each other. Tickets are free for that. Irish Guy or Uke Boy would be the go-to guys for this though I guess.

I am new to this forum and Kiev, but not new to the P4P scene. I have done some research and see there are so many choices here it a little hard to plan my weekend. I am here on business so don't have time wine and dine, and have not invested time in Mamba. What I'm looking for are discos with freelance girls who are ok for long time and GFE. I don't need high end, just a fun places with a good selection of girls. Based on the forum I am looking to try the following places over Friday / Saturday night, probably three each night:

D-Lux,

SkyBar,

Buddha Bar.

Shooters.

Arena.

Avalon.

Does anyone have any suggestions on timing or order for the bars? I am guessing taxis are pretty safe. I also have Rio as a back up if the freelance thing doesn't work out. Also, if anyone out there is heading out, let me know and maybe we can have a beer.

I travel around Asia and Dubai quite frequently, so am happy to share some info.

[QUOTE=GotoPara; 1449836]Thank you all for useful advice.

I also wonder how 400UAH / 1h girls in escort websites like top-models are. I think some of them in pictures look nice. Will a different and ugly girl usually come? Should I confirm that I would let the girl who looks different from the picture go away without taxi fee when I call them?

Also, does the price usually include the taxi fee or not?[/QUOTE]The price does not include taxi fee. Often girls coming from girl apartments or agencies are brought to your address by an agency driver or they might come by taking the Metro underground train, and the "taxi fee" in such cases is entirely fictitious. In any event. 50 UAH ($6.25 USD) is more than enough to get from point A to point B in downtown Kiev, so don't give more than that when sending away a girl who is not attractive enough.

I don't think you will accomplish much by threatening "no taxi fee" if the girl is not as pretty as her picture, except that you may irritate the agency phone person enough so that they black list you as a trouble maker and refuse to send any more girls to you.

Just say to them it is very important that they send a girl who is young, skinny, with a good body and pretty face, like in the picture they put in the Internet on their website. And they will lie to you and reassure you that the girl in the photo is coming to you, and you will learn that it obviously doesn't really make a difference what you say. They are using the "bait and switch" approach as their business model, and the girls they actually have, are the girls they have. Nothing you say will change that.

Get it through your head that they don't have the girl in the picture. They don't even know who she is. They stole the picture from somewhere on the Internet. So if you can get your brain to come back from "la la land" to the world of reality, you will know that they will simply send you one of the girls they have available. And no, they won't even make the effort to send the prettiest girl they have available, in response to your requests. More than likely, they will send the girl whose turn it is next to go and try to get a client to pay, even though they are not the girl in the picture. That is the "bait and switch" girl's job, to sell herself to you at the door of your apartment.

So you will simply have to go through the process of inviting girl after girl to come, until one who is pretty enough for you shows up, purely by chance.

You might try to accelerate the process by asking them to send several girls at one time, because maybe if the girls are good, you will take more than one, and make a party. That way you will get a chance to check out more than one girl at a time. Often, agencies have a couple of girls in a car riding around with the driver anyway, so it would be easy for the agency to do that. You have no obligations to book more than one, because you said up front that it depended on how good the girls look to you subjectively. But the bottom line is that you need to be prepared to invest the time in checking out the girls by ordering them as outcall escorts to come to your apartment. Most guys who have done this methodically, have gotten good results before too long, so you just need patience to keep trying.

If you don't like the waiting and the not knowing and the chance and the time waste, then go to nightclubs where you can see the girls in advance. But you won't easily find girls as cheap as 400 UAH ($50) that way.

[QUOTE=Ringo100; 1450112]D-Lux.

SkyBar.

Buddha Bar.

Shooters.

Arena.

Avalon[/QUOTE]If you like quality, then don't go to Shooters. And Avalon isn't that grand either. Start out with dinner at Buddha Bar or Serebro, then move on to SkyBar (close to Serebro and in the same building as Arena) or to D-Lux (close to Buddha Bar). Rio is always worth a trip, but the girls there try to do two customers a night, so girls that only show up around 1-2am, are those that are already back from the nights first client.

I was in Kiev for a few days and this is what I experienced.

There are tons of single ladies around. I entered a restaurant and 2 ladies smiled at me and one of them winked at me. I sent over a glass of wine each and the evening ended amazingly. They even took me to a strip bar. No I was not ripped there. What I am trying to say is that if you have about 3 nights in Ukraine, then on the first night go to places like Skybar, Decadence (in the Arena City) and D-lux and just introduce yourself. I am over 45 and of Indian origin. Not one of the girls told me to get lost. Most of the girls are in the 20's. Some in their early 30's but that is the max it goes.

I can assure you that you will walk off with their telephone numbers and a dinner meet for the next night. Basically a "24 hrs cooling period". This is what I did and I had to cancel 2 other dates as I did not have the time to take them all out due to my limited stay. After dinner some bar and then straight to my apartment for some fun in bed. No money was paid to the girls (of course I paid for the drinks and entrances to the clubs). That was a maximum of about USD 100- for which I got absolutely a GFE from the girls.

There is P4P action also at the above places but prices will vary on how desperate you look or how scary you portray yourself to be.

Stayed for 2 nights in Kiev and a weekend in Odessa. Had 2 girls absolutely GFE (1 in Kiev and the other one in Odessa). Report in Odessa section as well.

[QUOTE=Travel Buddy; 1450388]I was in Kiev for a few days and this is what I experienced.

There are tons of single ladies around. I entered a restaurant and 2 ladies smiled at me and one of them winked at me. I sent over a glass of wine each and the evening ended amazingly. They even took me to a strip bar. No I was not ripped there. What I am trying to say is that if you have about 3 nights in Ukraine, then on the first night go to places like Skybar, Decadence (in the Arena City) and D-lux and just introduce yourself. I am over 45 and of Indian origin. Not one of the girls told me to get lost. Most of the girls are in the 20's. Some in their early 30's but that is the max it goes.

I can assure you that you will walk off with their telephone numbers and a dinner meet for the next night. Basically a "24 hrs cooling period". This is what I did and I had to cancel 2 other dates as I did not have the time to take them all out due to my limited stay. After dinner some bar and then straight to my apartment for some fun in bed. No money was paid to the girls (of course I paid for the drinks and entrances to the clubs). That was a maximum of about USD 100- for which I got absolutely a GFE from the girls.

There is P4P action also at the above places but prices will vary on how desperate you look or how scary you portray yourself to be.

Stayed for 2 nights in Kiev and a weekend in Odessa. Had 2 girls absolutely GFE (1 in Kiev and the other one in Odessa). Report in Odessa section as well.[/QUOTE]So an Indian guy in his late 40s goes to Kiev and gets a free threesome? Cool story bro. Well, if it's true, Either you look like a Bollywood star or the girls were gargoyles.

So far I am 1 for 2 in terms of pretty girls from top-modals. Com One was 32, cute with huge tits but also a big gut. Nice lady but no GFE. Second one is 18, pretty and GFE EXCEPT for BBBJ (and I will have to work on that).

I gave 100 for taxi, not 50.

[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1450169]The price does not include taxi fee. Often girls coming from girl apartments or agencies are brought to your address by an agency driver or they might come by taking the Metro underground train, and the "taxi fee" in such cases is entirely fictitious. In any event. 50 UAH ($6. 25 USD) is more than enough to get from point A to point B in downtown Kiev, so don't give more than that when sending away a girl who is not attractive enough.

I don't think you will accomplish much by threatening "no taxi fee" if the girl is not as pretty as her picture, except that you may irritate the agency phone person enough so that they black list you as a trouble maker and refuse to send any more girls to you.

Just say to them it is very important that they send a girl who is young, skinny, with a good body and pretty face, like in the picture they put in the Internet on their website. And they will lie to you and reassure you that the girl in the photo is coming to you, and you will learn that it obviously doesn't really make a difference what you say. They are using the "bait and switch" approach as their business model, and the girls they actually have, are the girls they have. Nothing you say will change that.

Get it through your head that they don't have the girl in the picture. They don't even know who she is. They stole the picture from somewhere on the Internet..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Travel Buddy; 1450388]I was in Kiev for a few days and this is what I experienced.

There are tons of single ladies around. I entered a restaurant and 2 ladies smiled at me and one of them winked at me. I sent over a glass of wine each and the evening ended amazingly. They even took me to a strip bar. No I was not ripped there. What I am trying to say is that if you have about 3 nights in Ukraine, then on the first night go to places like Skybar, Decadence (in the Arena City) and D-lux and just introduce yourself. I am over 45 and of Indian origin. Not one of the girls told me to get lost. Most of the girls are in the 20's. Some in their early 30's but that is the max it goes.

I can assure you that you will walk off with their telephone numbers and a dinner meet for the next night. Basically a "24 hrs cooling period". This is what I did and I had to cancel 2 other dates as I did not have the time to take them all out due to my limited stay. After dinner some bar and then straight to my apartment for some fun in bed. No money was paid to the girls (of course I paid for the drinks and entrances to the clubs). That was a maximum of about USD 100- for which I got absolutely a GFE from the girls...[/QUOTE]Have you really been to Ukraine? The super-racist capital of the mega-racist country Ukraine? To give you a sense of how racist Ukraine is: the owner of Shooters is a slimy Scot, but because his female customers don't like 'them he has a no blacks, no Indians, no Asians policy! Which sometimes they also apply at D-Lux. To paraphrase Cherchezfemme: Cool story bro, but what did you tell the girls?

[QUOTE=Rog123;1442210]Arrived Monday and was picked up from the airport by driver from rented apartment on Khreschyatyk. The place is pretty nice but advertised as a two-bedroom when in reality is only one. It is CHEAP, however, and on the main street in city center.[/QUOTE]Where do you rent this apartment?

What was the price? I looking for something cheaper than the hotel, I lived in last time.

Hi Rog. I had the same issue with this girl. She is a serial dater as you said, and from outside Kiev. Loves expensive restaurants and clubs and wastes your money. Avoid at all cost. There are better girls in Kiev. I also had the misfortune of going out 2-3 times and met the same fate as you.

Ciao,

Miscgk

[QUOTE=Rog123; 1450082]A word to the wise for anyone hunting on Mamba that comes across this girl Zhanna ([url]http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=955792406&hit=3[/url]) , do not waste your time. She is what I have read about on this forum of a "serial dater" who said she was from outside of town and scammed me lots of taxi money (her profile says Kiev) and had me take her out to very expensive places (yes, I made the mistake of seeing her twice as I thought she was really hot and thought I might have a chance to sex her). Very much a waste of time and my only bad experience in Kiev!

On the note of going back to a girl's apartment, I made this mistake once in Panama on my first international trip. Met a civvie who was all over me and giving me lap dances and having me take drinks off her tits. She convinced me to go to her apartment, in a very sketchy area of Panama City. We did the deed, and soon after we were done, there was a knock on the door. I was almost 100% sure I was about to get robbed by a gang of guys or worse. This was about 4 am At this time, and I was standing there naked waiting for what was going to happen. Actually, nothing ended up happening. I know this girl liked me, and maybe she called the dogs off, or maybe it was just a neighbor or something. It scared the shit out of me though, and taught me a lesson for the future. I knew it was probably not a great idea to begin with, but my little head was making the decisions. Always take a girl to your place![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Soren60; 1450515]Where do you rent this apartment?

What was the price? I looking for something cheaper than the hotel, I lived in last time.[/QUOTE]This is the apartment I wrote about. The manager is cool and the place is nice. This is the most expensive but nicest in their fleet of apartments.

[url]http://www.apartment-kiev.com/en/kreschatik-23.html[/url]