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I cannot believe that this thread has now become "how to best send money to recipients in the Phils" rather than "why ever would you do it?

It certainly begs a lot of questions.

I am smiling at the responses that desperately justify why they do it (to themselves obviously since the rest of us are laughing).

Short anecdote:

We have a good friend (woman: 33 yo) living in a northern Luzon province.

She has 2 kids, no husband.

She is building a very nice house in her province on the proceeds that each of 3 WU benefactors are sending her each month PLUS what she earns on the side when she goes to Manila now and again for some freelance work.

None of the 3 guys know about the other 2.

Each guy has met her and spent time with her in Manila (she arranges to be in Manila when they visit with no overlaps between her suitors). One guy visits twice each year. One guy has visited once only. The 3rd guy has been sending money for 2 years, and visits on irregular intervals and keeps telling her his plans to retire in the Phils.

Each guy thinks they are going to marry her because she told him she would (she doesn't plan to marry any of them).

Each guy thinks she is living with her aunty in Cavite, Metro Manila and that she works in a call center (so she has a reason to be off-line or unavailable for periods of time when she doesn't want contact with them). When any one visits, she heads off to Manila for the whole time the guy is visiting.

This woman justifies her strategies because she says that if each guy is so stupid to keep sending her money without ever having wanted more information about her life then why not just accept it. She is very attractive, quite smart and intelligent. She doesn't believe she is a conniving, deceitful person even though, by definition, she is.

She maintains she is capitalizing on these guys' stupidity.

I smile to myself when I read about guys sending money and often wonder if any of her 3 guys are ISG members, but surely not. The guys sending money here know that their mahal would never do anything like that because she is different.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2337824]I personally have had good luck with [URL]worldremit.com[/URL] for sending money. Much better exchange rate than WU and lots of delivery options, including direct to her bank account.[/QUOTE]I just compared WesternUnion and WorldRemit. Maybe it depends on the country / currency that you're sending from but for me WU is cheaper:

WU: Exchange rate EUR 1 = PhP 57.3646, Fees EUR 4.90

WorldRemit: Exchange rate EUR 1 = PhP 56.7537, Fees EUR 5.99

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2337998]I just compared WesternUnion and WorldRemit. Maybe it depends on the country / currency that you're sending from but for me WU is cheaper:

WU: Exchange rate EUR 1 = PhP 57.3646, Fees EUR 4.90

WorldRemit: Exchange rate EUR 1 = PhP 56.7537, Fees EUR 5.99[/QUOTE]When I do remittance I find that the new services such as Azimo, Transferwise, WorldRemit always beat traditional interbank transfers and whenever I have checked have also beaten WU. It's hardly surprising as WU is a legacy operation with a lot of cost overhead the new players simply don't have. Out of the new players I have not found one that consistently beats all the others and they tend to come in pretty close. I therefore tend to use Transferwise as it is less hassle and less prone to false flagging transactions than WorldRemit (at least for non Americans).

IMHO.

1. WU is the expensive option. But if the money is not theirs, the pussy looks at it as getting zero or getting something.

2. There are services more expensive than WU. But alternatively, there are services much cheaper. I vote the latter.

3. If one uses the big head occasionally, one might not need options 1 or 2. But if the little head takes control use option 2.

There are cheaper options to sending money and getting close to interbank rates, net all fees. Use your big head. All the clues are here.

It really does not matter if the amounts are small and or if only a one shot deal. 3% is expensive. Under 1% is better. But if you are dealing with only US $200, that is US $6. About the cost for a drink at the airport. So no need to overthink it.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2337998]I just compared WesternUnion and WorldRemit. Maybe it depends on the country / currency that you're sending from but for me WU is cheaper:

WU: Exchange rate EUR 1 = PhP 57.3646, Fees EUR 4.90

WorldRemit: Exchange rate EUR 1 = PhP 56.7537, Fees EUR 5.99[/QUOTE]

The guy I was referring to almost a month ago has now wound up in Cebu City jail. However, the charges have been lowered to attempted HT and Child Abuse which are both bailable so he should only need to be there a few days whilst he / his family can put together the bail money (FYI P200 k +P150 k). He can probably consider himself lucky as guys have been charged with Q HT in comparable circumstances implying a minimum of around 9 months until a bail hearing can be completed and 3-8 years for a complete trial if bail is not granted. For a guy in his 60's, the latter or worse a conviction would be a de facto life / death sentence.

In case anyone is still unaware, it is insanely risky to mess around with those under 18 in the current environment in the Philippines, there are a lot of people employed / highly incentivised to inform on what they see as suspicious behaviour.

[QUOTE=OlderAndWiser;2330285]An American was arrested in Cebu last week and charged with "child abuse" and "QHT" . I believe that he is being held in a police cell whilst a Preliminary Investigation is conducted to find out whether there is probable cause (in practice not much more than a reasonable suspicion), that he is guilty of the crime. Initially following an arrest the Police / NBI will have some discretion as to what / whether to charge. However, unless they had a warrant, they must quickly (I think within 48 hours) file the case with the City Fiscal or release the person. Once this is done, they have lost their discretion as to how the case will proceed. City Fiscals are highly biased to send foreign defendants to jail, especially in cases of QHT for political and reportedly financial (40 k bonus) type reasons.

The key issue is whether someone is charged with a crime that is bailable or non (automatically) bailable. If it is non bailable such as Qualified HT (involving a minor or 3 or more "victims"/ accused, "are" of a minor (which can include pretty much any touching in "inappropriate areas" and almost anything to do with drugs As far as Filipino law is concerned "child abuse" includes a foreigner being in a wide variety of places with a minor more than 10 years his junior (or a mentally handicapped adult..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2337957]She is building a very nice house in her province on the proceeds that each of 3 WU benefactors are sending her each month PLUS what she earns on the side when she goes to Manila now and again for some freelance work.

None of the 3 guys know about the other 2.[/QUOTE]As if it would have made a difference. Some guys just prefer being used. If they knew about each other, they would just all probably try to outdo the other with their generosity in attempts to win over sole financial responsibility of the 40 year old divorcee with 2 kids.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2338062]As if it would have made a difference. Some guys just prefer being used. If they knew about each other, they would just all probably try to outdo the other with their generosity in attempts to win over sole financial responsibility of the 40 year old divorcee with 2 kids.[/QUOTE]Yes. You are probably right.

If a chick asks me to send money this is what goes through my head. The default is 0; I have no money. Instead of relaxing on my day off and enjoying the fruits of my labor, I will instead go in to work and work x amount of hours so that I will have the x amount of dollars that she wants me to send. (I see myself asking, babe how many hours do you want me to go work for you today?) I sacrafice and do all of this while she is doing what? Where I am from, that, my friends, is called pimping. Maybe my money just does not come as easy as many other guys'.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2337957]I smile to myself when I read about guys sending money and often wonder if any of her 3 guys are ISG members, but surely not. The guys sending money here know that their mahal would never do anything like that because she is different.[/QUOTE]It's refreshing to see that you finally acknowledge something to criticize about the Philippines. And since your evidence is a sample of one, I'm sure Mr. E and CM appreciate your joining their world of sweeping generalizations.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2338107]It's refreshing to see that you finally acknowledge something to criticize about the Philippines. And since your evidence is a sample of one, I'm sure Mr. E and CM appreciate your joining their world of sweeping generalizations.[/QUOTE]Maybe it is just that we do not understand. As I said, it may be a thing of perspective. I am open to learning. So will you please explain to us from your perspective why a guy should send money to a chick?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2337957]I cannot believe that this thread has now become "how to best send money to recipients in the Phils" rather than "why ever would you do it?

[/QUOTE]Well, you better believe it.

My anecdote: I have a province 20 yo regular. I meet her and bang her for up to a week, cute, perfect body, low mileage pussy. I give her free room and board and some pocket money. After some time back home she will indicate that she has nothing left, then I send her some small amount. If I'm not too busy I will be back to bang her before the next request comes, sometimes not. It's really "up to me" - she's always ready to travel and meet me. The total CPF works out well below 1000 a pop and this works very well for me. I don't care if she's banging local dicks, actually I pretty much take that for granted, it's not even a topic. So to each their own.

Sponsoring 32 yo MILFs would not be an option for me LOL.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2337854]You do realise that you are all sending money to the same girl, right?? 🙄.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys for your contributions.

Cool thanks for the one's who offered advice. I read some replies but I am from the US. The girl is not going to get rich off the few peso I send to her. She was nice and cool person that I maintained talking to after I left. I've mongered around the world and find PI the best place to go cause of that connection built. Even for a few hours. That's why many of you guys are here and live there. I don't live a luxurious life too so what little money I give her wasn't going to make her rich or have her want to be my baby mama. It's a slippery slope some might argue but I got other stuff here and there that's better. Nevertheless, I understand the action and don't mind giving back a little to build something larger later. Maybe I won't see her again, but in America I waste money buying bottle water, and tipping 15% of the bill. Cost of living for us. Give a little, get a little. It'll pay forward. (A real threesome with her friends, three-hole, prevent her from trying to leave early. Those kind of things you get if you have a rapport).

Thanks all for playing.

[QUOTE=Mushuu09;2338257]Give a little, get a little. It'll pay forward. (A real threesome with her friends, three-hole, prevent her from trying to leave early. Those kind of things you get if you have a rapport).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2338239]My anecdote: I have a province 20 yo regular. I meet her and bang her for up to a week, cute, perfect body, low mileage pussy. I give her free room and board and some pocket money. After some time back home she will indicate that she has nothing left, then I send her some small amount.[/QUOTE]From my understanding you guys are saying because you send money the chick will have a threesome, etc. with you and meet up with you and let you bang her up to a week respectively. So are you assuming or telling us that these same chicks would not follow these same paths if you do not send money? If so, then what makes you say they will not?

I have never had a chick do things contingent on whether I sent money or not (I never have for the record) so I am finding it hard to understand where you guys are coming from.

Just to throw a little more yada yada on the fire:

While I was recently in Manila I barfined a pretty little spinner (38 kg) out of Kojax. She was the prettiest girl on the stage IMHO and I had a quality GFE, passionate, bareback time with her. So I barfined her a 2nd time on my last night in town and we made it an overnight session. So in between the shags we talked talked sweet nothings and I told her I would see her again when I returned to MNL. That part was all true! I really liked the girl. Then I flew back to BKK and we kept up a correspondence on Viber. ALL good. Then a few weeks after that I flew back home to the USA and we continued texting occasionally. No big deal. I text with a lot of my girls. But about a week ago she hits me the standard come on line: MY DAUGHTER IS ILL. I HAVE NO MONEY. CAN YOU HELP?

Now I have to say that I really resent getting these specific tug at your heart strings kind of hits from girls I just met. It is a low blow, IMHO, as 99.99 % of the time they are phony, but it's the 0. 01% probability that it might be true, that can bum you out. The good news is I usually only receive texts like this from one or two new girls per trip if that, so it is rare, for example, only this girl out 28 girls, tried this scam on me my last trip. So I responded with a "sorry, I can not send money. I hope you daughter gets well soon" response. A few days later the girl texts me back like she never made the request in the 1st place and it is all forgotten on her part, but I will have to try harder to forget that she tried to gin me for some extra money especially since I was very generous to her when I was with her. She did lose some stature in my eyes and so she will have to make up for that when or if I see her again. Too bad. She was such a nice girl when I was with her.

I also had a little bit different experience with another girl in LOS. This girl I met in a Soi 24 massage parlor in BKK one afternoon. We clicked and we had a very passionate bareback session that lasted 90 minutes. Then 3. 5 weeks later having just flown back to BKK from MNL, I wanted to see her again, so I texted her. She texted back that she was back home in Issan. Oh well, I thought, they come and they go. Then a couple of days later she texted that she was broke and had no money to come to BKK, would I send her some cash. Ha Ha Ha. But at least this time, this line made more sense to me. If it had not been for that fact that I had only 2 more days left in BKK, I think I might have sent her some bus money because I would have liked to have seen her one more time. But as it was, I just told her I was leaving town tomorrow and I hoped we would meet again next time I was in BKK. Then a couple of days ago she sent me a new text saying that she is back in BKK, working in a different massage parlor, and looking forward to seeing me again. When was I coming back to BKK?

So I don't know what the point of my two anecdotes is. They are just a small slice of my recent punting experiences. If some guys want to send money, then send it. If you don't, don't. It won't make the girl like you anymore than she already does or does not. But IMHO, THE BEST GIRLS NEVER ASK to be sent cash and I know a lot of girls.