Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2571147]REALLY wanted to get a report for you guys tonight but the day just got away from me and I can't muster up the oompf to go out there and get laid. Man I even got dressed, threw on some cologne and everything LOL! I think part of it is that I don't want to be out too late here. Something about standing out in the cold in the empty street waiting for an uber just doesn't do it for me. Hell, half the restaurants are closed by 7 pm. I know its a reason but its no excuse when club Bahamas is open 24 h and is only 7 min ride away from where I stay.

No worries. I'll get started bright and early tomorrow and try to get 2 in somehow! Does anybody have the 411 on club Bahamas? I searched the forum to no avail, their website makes them seem pretty legit.[/QUOTE]Well, here's my write-up of my experience there. Others have had their own. You can do a search on this thread to read.

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[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2571147]REALLY wanted to get a report for you guys tonight but the day just got away from me and I can't muster up the oompf to go out there and get laid. Man I even got dressed, threw on some cologne and everything LOL! I think part of it is that I don't want to be out too late here. Something about standing out in the cold in the empty street waiting for an uber just doesn't do it for me. Hell, half the restaurants are closed by 7 pm. I know its a reason but its no excuse when club Bahamas is open 24 h and is only 7 min ride away from where I stay.

No worries. I'll get started bright and early tomorrow and try to get 2 in somehow! Does anybody have the 411 on club Bahamas? I searched the forum to no avail, their website makes them seem pretty legit.[/QUOTE]LOL Take things at your own pace. Sao Paulo is a bit chilly, especially at night as the wind seems to pick up. As Cane also mentioned, don't take your safety for granted just because you're in SP, either.

I think you started your experience right, at Connection. They have the hottest selections. And if you're only there for a week, you're not going to have time to filter out for the best deals, anyways. From what I've read here, 700-800 R / HR at Scandallo doesn't sound bad for a short time visitor.

Don't forget to check out the clinicas, too! There are about 6 within walking distance of each other in Moema: Prime, Abbobora, Mirunas, Enjoy, 57 House Friend's Club, and Carinas (sorted by my preference). It might take about an HR to visit each one by foot. Staff changes each day, and some of the popular ones might be busy when you visit. So it's worth repeating even if you don't find someone attractive on a given day.

I've written plenty on the sessions I had, so in this post, I'll share my experience on planning the trip and the overall expenses. The people are some of the friendliest (been to Korea, Japan, Mexico, Canada, Thailand, and Vietnam). I thought I'd see machismo and even racism (because it's so common in the US), but I hardly noticed it. At the very least, learn these two phrases: Obrigado (thank you) and Desculpa (I'm sorry, or excuse me).

[B]Flights[/B]

RT from LAX to SP was $534.50 on United, purchased for 42,758 chase rewards points. Chase also gave me 10% off on my hotel booking because I bought the plane ticket with points. The flight to and from SP via United was VERY pleasant. To SP, flight was about 35% capacity. I had a 3 seat window row all to myself for 10 hrs. On the way back, I had a 2 seat window row to myself for 9 hrs.

RT from SP to Rio was $40 airfare and $12 checked bag each way (which I didn't really need) for a total of $64. Plan on booking at least 3 weeks in advance for the best rates. $50 RT seems to be the regular price. For domestic flights, plan on getting to the airport about 1 to 1. 5 hrs in advance in case of language barriers, getting lost, security check, etc. I have this strange anxiety and stress until I pass security checks.

[B]Cash Exchange[/B]

You probably won't need cash right away (unless you're taking a taxi, which everyone discourages). If you DO want to exchange it at the airport for a little peace of mind, be prepared to lose 25% value on your conversion rate.

[B]Hotels[/B]

[I]Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera Hotel[/I]

$38 a night after fees in a Double Deluxe Executive suite. Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera Hotel was SUPER convenient. Highly recommended for first time visitors. Internet speed was decent: 35 Mbps down, 10 Mbps up. Sound proofing was the best out of the 3 hotels I stayed in (Astoria in Rio, Tsue Palace in SP). It's within walking distance from 6 clinicas and club and next to the Ibirapuera mall. Ibirapuera mall has lots of shops, including 3 drug stores (you can get a PCR or antigen test on the 2nd floor: Drogaria Sao Paulo) and a currency exchange shop on the 3rd floor next to Itau bank. VIVO phone store (along with an English speaking manager) are also on the 3rd floor.

[I]Astoria Palace (Copacabana)[/I]

$50 per night after fees. This hotel is in a very convenient location. It has the Copacabana club, MAB's, and Dolce Vita all within walking distance. Internet speed was slightly lower than Bourbon's. Breakfast was included, and I enjoyed it 2 days out of 4. They serve coffee, juices, fruits, yogurt, cereal, pastries (including the cheese bread), sausages, scrambled eggs, and quiche.

But you can tell the hotel's pretty old. Rooms are very small. It had an old mildew smell when I walked in. And the worst thing was the noise. At first, I was on the 6th floor and I could hear all the noise from the restaurants outside until about 12-1 AM. The next day, I told them about the noise and they moved me to the 13th floor (top most floor of the hotel rooms). Great, friendly service. But, now I could hear the elevator clanking every time it moved. It sounded like gym weights slamming against each other, until 1 AM-2 AM. One inconvenience was trying to find a market close by.

[I]Tsue Palace Hotel[/I]

$40 per night. Found this place via AirBnb and just a few blocks away from the Bourbon hotel. It was nice and cozy. It has a a separated bedroom and living room, as well as a balcony. Internet was SUPER slow, 2 Mbps down and. 5 up. I asked the front desk what's up, and they told me that if I book via the hotel, the speed's faster (guess the hotel managed rooms are closer to the access point). Walls are very thin. I think they just don't have the insulation that blocks out noise. Instead, the walls are concrete and carry noise very well.

Lots of WGs seem to live here. Monthly rent is about R4000. I believe this includes housekeeping, internet, and utilities. Another ISGer told me he saw lots of WGs walking in and out as he sat in the lobby, when he stayed at Tsue Palace for a month. And as I was having dinner on my last day in SP at the restaurant next door (Terra Fruta), that buddy and I saw a very cute girl at another table. He asked her to join us for a bit. Turns out she also lived at Tsue Palace and told us she'll be headed to Scandallo after dinner. As I'm interested in short term leases, I asked her how much the rent is and she says R4100 per mo. I also verified later with the receptionist, who told me R4080 per mo.

[B]Phone[/B]

You won't be able to get a new line at the airport, unless you have a CPF number. I had to go to the Ibirapuera mall, 3rd floor. VIVO for $10/ mo with 5 GB data. But my data wasn't available for 2 days. This is a major inconvenience since almost everything you need to do is with data (eg. Uber, google translate, scanning QR code and online menus). You can use Google translate offline mode. But it's easier to have the app automatically transcribe AND translate for you, without needing to type everything in (can you imagine asking someone to type in their answers for you on your phone? Some members have suggested Google Fi. But Google Fi service was not as good as Verizon for me in the US. Also, VIVO's equivalent plan from Google Fi would cost me $70 ($20 base + $50 for 5 GB data) vs VIVO's $10. Data recharge on VIVO is also relatively cheap. Anyways, once you get over the initial inconvenience, it works great.

[B]Uber[/B]

Cost me $114 for 2 weeks. The most expensive trips were to the international airport ($10-$25) and Connection ($6-8) each way. Make sure you keep the windows rolled down and wear a mask inside UBER. Before you book your ride, there's an "agreement" clause in the app saying that you'll keep the window open (whenever possible) and you'll wear a mask. Drivers will rate you poorly if you don't.

[B]Food[/B]

If you're eating in a restaurant every day, it'll probably cost you about $10-$20 per meal. $20 would be splurging. I found most of the food to be ok, nothing spectacular. Unfortunately, I don't think I tried any ethnic Brazilian foods this time.

Just returned from another week in Sao Paulo.

I stayed in Itaim Bibi, Transamerica Classic Victoria hotel. I ad ladies visit me at the hotel and they did need to sign in but during my late night rendezvous the gut working the desk would just wink and let her go up when I met them in the lobby. I made sure to tip him well when I left. Location was great for some really good food options in walking distance. Modern Momma Osteria is a great place for Italian food. No reservations but the vibe is good inside and out a lot of attractive girls waiting to get in and its great for couples or a date night. That 4 block radius has a Soho, NYC vibe at night IMO. While waiting for my table at Modern I went a good 5 minutes forgetting that I'm still in Brazil but I snapped out of that real quick.

Bradesco bank, Carrefour, supermarkets, 2 gelato places, and other hotels all really clumped together in a nice neighborhood with little boutiques for shopping etc. My favorite area that I have stayed in so far.

Private55 browsing and I decided to zap Camila to see if she was available. Beach blonde from Rio staying in Jardins but I asked her to come to me. I told her to come casual and she sure did LOL. Sneakers, no makeup and a denim romper and as soon as she walked in she tackled me. Half because she was cold and half because during the zap back and forth we were trading memes before she arrived. I always ty to break the ice with meme's with the younger ones. She is a talker though so I had to keep the agenda on track in certain spots to get her to stop talking at times LOL but even then talking with her was really fun and she speaks a little English.

After some small talk about music and we play danced a little and then proceeded to the bedroom. She definitely aims to please but I could tell she needs to be comfortable first. Beautiful naked tanned body with no enhancements from yoga and beach life. Physically she gives as much as she takes so the sex was amazing. She stayed for two hours and we grabbed lunch after.

She didn't get any of the point break references of course. Before her time LOL.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2571532]Finally after sinfullykorean's one man advocacy campaign for prives (LOL just kidding), I went to one.[/QUOTE]Wow she looks stunning. I plan on going to Rio solo for the first time end of July. Got some advice from sinfullykorean from his recent trip too. Plan is to go to SP in Sept depending on my experience in Rio.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2571539]Wow she looks stunning. I plan on going to Rio solo for the first time end of July. Got some advice from sinfullykorean from his recent trip too. Plan is to go to SP in Sept depending on my experience in Rio.[/QUOTE]To be fair, read my first post from a few days ago and the ensuing convo thread. Although I admit I'm starting to warm up a little bit, I feel like I'm still just "making the best of it" here in SP. Now contrast that with my Rio reports from 2016. Lets just say that so far, I'm still looking forward to Rio at the end of this week.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2571539]Wow she looks stunning. I plan on going to Rio solo for the first time end of July. Got some advice from sinfullykorean from his recent trip too. Plan is to go to SP in Sept depending on my experience in Rio.[/QUOTE]You can't / really shouldn't make a decision to go to Sao Paulo based on what you experience in Rio. Two very different cities where the game must be played differently in order to succeed. You really need to do both cities to see which one you like best. I enjoy both, and can no longer make a trip to Brazil without planning to visit each city.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2571551]You can't / really shouldn't make a decision to go to Sao Paulo based on what you experience in Rio. Two very different cities where the game must be played differently in order to succeed. You really need to do both cities to see which one you like best. I enjoy both, and can no longer make a trip to Brazil without planning to visit each city.[/QUOTE]Rio and SP are so different. If you like one or the other better, it says more about you (and your personal preferences) than it does about the city (not in a bad way. lol). Both have much to offer. I don't think I gave Rio a fair shot. I'd actually like to spend about 2 weeks in each cities on separate trips.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2571568]Rio and SP are so different. I'd actually like to spend about 2 weeks in each cities on separate trips.[/QUOTE]That's actually the plan since I'm only going for two weeks I didn't want to do 1 week in each city. I'd rather enjoy the city / culture and pace myself. What I'm more concerned about is the crime since I enjoy walking around which seems like a bad idea in some areas. But I will most likely go to SP in Sept.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2571241]I've written plenty on the sessions I had, so in this post, I'll share my experience on planning the trip and the overall expenses. The people are some of the friendliest (been to Korea, Japan, Mexico, Canada, Thailand, and Vietnam). I thought I'd see machismo and even racism (because it's so common in the US), but I hardly noticed it. At the very least, learn these two phrases: Obrigado (thank you) and Desculpa (I'm sorry, or excuse me).[/QUOTE][B]SK[/B] Your reporting (Format and Details) has been a delight to read. I am sure your intent was met to be very informative to newbies. Look forward to future reports of your next destinations.

Note. As mentioned there is no need to exchange money at the Airport. Anyone can get from GRU airport to your hotel cashless via UBER or use credit card at the [url=https://www.gru.com.br/en/passenger/to-from-gru-airport/taxi]Guarucoop Taxi Stand[/url]. Then find appropriate ATM for funds.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2571568]Rio and SP are so different.....[/QUOTE]If you are a monger who likes to indulge in turistic activities then Rio is better. If you are a hardcore monger then you need to visit both cities.

[QUOTE=ShawMan74;2571147]......I think part of it is that I don't want to be out too late here. Something about standing out in the cold in the empty street waiting for an uber just doesn't do it for me. Hell, half the restaurants are closed by 7 pm. I know its a reason but its no excuse when club Bahamas is open 24 h and is only 7 min ride away from where I stay.[/QUOTE]Besides the fact that COVID is dampening the festivities, the weather can't be that bad. I've never found the Sao Paulo winter that harsh. It's like an autumn day in much of North America and Europe. You have to bring a jacket or coat.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2571697]If you are a monger who likes to indulge in turistic activities then Rio is better. If you are a hardcore monger then you need to visit both cities.[/QUOTE]Since I have a direct to Sao Paulo I decided to spend about a week in Rio and SP instead of two weeks in Rio. It'll give me an idea of whether to spend more time in one place or other in Sept. I have a feeling I'll be back. Now I will have to include some research on SP also. If anyone can PM me some tips or want to meet up end of July that would be awesome. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2571845]Since I have a direct to Sao Paulo I decided to spend about a week in Rio and SP instead of two weeks in Rio. It'll give me an idea of whether to spend more time in one place or other in Sept. I have a feeling I'll be back. Now I will have to include some research on SP also. If anyone can PM me some tips or want to meet up end of July that would be awesome. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The past Five to Ten pages (going back at least Twenty pages in both RJ and SP forums even better) has lots of information to digest and the discussion of RJ vs SP has been discussed within those pages, including where to hone your monger craft. Visiting both is best and both are very different areas. Have fun and please post detailed reports so other can learn from your experience.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2571707] Besides the fact that COVID is dampening the festivities, the weather can't be that bad. I've never found the Sao Paulo winter that harsh. It's like an autumn day in much of North America and Europe. You have to bring a jacket or coat. [/QUOTE]AS indicated, it's wintertime in Brazil (SP&RJ) [URL=https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/sao-paulo/southern-hemisphere-winter-begins-today-season-forecast-for-sao-paulo/]June-through-September[/URL]. Temps can get ≤ 55F/12C and Day time generally warm. Bring a light to midweight coat/jacket for evening/night or be prepared to purchase one at mall. This holds true for RJ depending on where you're at wind coming off the water can really bring cool temperatures.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2570327]The only way to beat a shark at its own game is to be a shark of your own. Next time, tell her straightforward what you expect and how much you are willing to pay. Also, tell her that you will go upstairs on your own time and don't want to be pressured. Now she has a choice. Either stay with someone who is pretty much a sure thing or look for someone else. This way, she has to take a decision and the pressure is off your shoulders. She now has to entice you and work for it. In the end, if you and her don't click, she moves on if there is enough meat for her to pick and choose. If the supply of dudes are slim, she will stay.

Glad to hear Scandello is open till 4 am again. I will be hitting it up in my next trip in August.

Enjoyed reading all your reports and I appreciate your contributions.[/QUOTE]Great Advice!

I and some others have expressed some uneasiness about negotiating. It does take away some charm to the magic but I've always paid 500-600 BRL in Scandallo. I guess I personally don't go for the "hot model" type with all the surgery and tattoos. Nothing wrong with that as I do like it occasionally but I do like the natural girl next door look and usually those girls charge or don't negotiate that high since they know most guys go for the model girls and so they go for the 500 since they are also at a disadvantage because a guy can just look around and get any other 50+ girls in the club.

Most of these GND girls don't smoke or drink (just one or two at most) and I like that as cigarette / beer breath is a turn off for me personally.

I found that if you wait til 4 am or close to almost closing time (5 am) they'll take 500 no questions since they realistically won't be able to land another guy before closing time. I decided to go with a girl at 4:20 or so and they give you a yellow wristband so the staff know you sessioned late when you get out and you still get your 1 HR.

Also if you are lucky and the girl likes you or she actually does it just for fun you can get away for as low as 300 BRL (read a few posts from some lucky posters a few hundred pages ago so it can happen, not likely but luck favors the bold and brave).

Another thing.

When I went in January I didn't really speak to most of the girls at scadallo. I would just walk around and sit down at the restaurant and see the girls coming in and look for the one I wanted.

Other's can chime in on their thoughts but I didn't want to waste anyone's time just chatting up with a girl if I knew I wasn't 100% about the girl (from looks anyhow).

I didn't want to get any sob stories or pushy remarks if I ended up not sessioning with said girl and as a student of economics I don't want to deprive them of any actual customers while we're having our little chat. I would often see local brazilian guys talking to 2 or 4 girls at a time at a table but I guess that makes more sense to the girls since these guy can come back often so they don't mind chatting up to a guy who can be coming weekly compared to a foreigner who's only in town for a week. I remember coming back my third night at scandallo and none of the girls really piqued my interest so I walked over to this petite japa girl I sessioned with on my first night and told her if she wanted to chat a little and get some appetizer at the restaurant but she declined as she said she was working. Of course she didn't mind talking to a bazilian guy with 4 other girls who ended up not sessioning with any of them after like 2 hours.

One girl came up to me while I was eating at the restaurant asking if she can sit down and talk a bit. She was pretty but she seemed upset and I felt like I was going to get the sob stories and tear works and I was just trying to relax and eat in peace so I told her I was ok.

Another girl came up to me (twice) while I was just looking at the girls walking by at the club area deciding which girl I wanted and asked me if I just liked looking at girls like it was a crime LOL I was just drinking my coke and checking up on my stocks but it did seem pretty weird for her to call me out like that.

I guess I could have gotten a few girls zapp instead of just playing the waiting game but from my own personal experience and a few other posters, Sampa girls can be kinda cold as the few numbers I got from SP went dark and the one girl who I recently contacted trying to reconnect when I get back in Sep keeps making lame excuses like I lost my phone for 11 days and the texting is super generic.

Compared to the carioca girls who I've kept in contact with, they've been super warm and always sending pics and waiting for my arrival! I've tried to get a few back here in miami since I got a penthouse in south beach but apparently brazilians can't enter the US because of the Covid numbers.

Some posters have had great experiences with SP girls who didn't charge alot, were super friendly and traveled with so YMMV.

I'll get more numbers this time around and with the help of some local posters (PM if you'll be there in Sep, my porto is so rusty) I hope to try some non-pros (also is Hinge popular in Brazil like it is in the US or is tinder / bumble / okcupid more popular?

I'll up my reports when I get back as I've noticed alot of posters like a nice writer-eseque journal entry from a famous author with lots of wits and details type of reports and I'd be happy to oblige as I like to write as a hobby.

I just got caught up with currency exchange / lockdown / mistranslations and all the other non sense as a first timer coming to this great nation.

Keep up the good report and looking forward to people's thoughts.