Kyiv

[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1451999]Judging by your foul language, Shooters made a good decision in not allowing you in.

Sure, racism is common throughout Ukraine. However, here and in most clubs throughout the world, client selection is practiced.[/QUOTE]IL. Since your a Shooters regular I'm pretty sure your objective on this issue)))

I have been to Skybar, D'Lux, Budda Bar, Arena, Art 44, Decadence, Avalon, etc never a problem or issue. Sure it's their club and they can do what ever they want.

If your saying racism is common in Kiev and UA. I never saw or experienced it anywhere else at least not in such a blatant fashion. Maybe I have lucky so far who knows.

I have been clubs all over the world including Vegas twice last year, so I know how the system works. How I miss the American sense of greed where if your dressed appropriately top clubs simply request you buy your way in by getting bottle service.

[QUOTE=Angus100; 1451682]Anyone have any experience with Kiev Connections? It's 500 dollars, but guaranteed 5 dates with beautiful women (if the service is not a scam). I would consider it if others have had good experiences.

Also anybody use VK? Is that better than Mamba for meeting girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Hello Angus100.

I rented an apartment from him (Brett) once, but did not take part in the dating service. I saw the operation when I went inside to pick up the keys. It looks legitimate. Some of the women were there to enter in their profiles for the database. They were in their late 20s or perhaps early 30s, but still very attractive.

Most Mamba girls also have profiles on VK. My personal experience is only with Mamba. It works fine, but you just need to start as early as possible to obtain as many contacts as you can before you arrive in Kiev.

Good luck!

FiddyCent

Thanks LilJoey for the exstensive report. And yes I have been reading a lot of pages here going back a long time. It is just when I think of a bar it is normally more quiet and not so loud music. I was just hoping that there was a bar to pick up women in Kiev that has a more relaxed atmosphere. Guess I have to put up with the loud music if I want some action at bars then. It seems like strip clubs or picking up girls form Mamba is more the right setting for me then. I am getting older and I am so sick of the disco music. I was already sick of it 20 years ago. Never liked it.

Dear fellows.

I have read a lot of fruitfull reports about Kiev in this forum, but mainly I am confused about racism reports mentioned in this forum.

I am interested to know clear view about this issue, mainly because I am middle eastern guy from Egypt, and planning to visit Kiev next month for the first time.

I would like to know Kiev experts point of view towards dangers I might face or if this may make mongering difficult for me.

I wished to be Sheikh, but unfortunately I am not from petrol country.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1452285]What dangers? Plenty of wannabe sheiks in Kiev. Just make sure you snap plenty of Rolls Royce and Ferrari photo's of yourself for your Mamba and Vk profiles. A good picture of you enjoying a super yacht goes a long way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YellowPaul; 1452036]IL. Since your a Shooters regular I'm pretty sure your objective on this issue)

I have been to Skybar, D'Lux, Budda Bar, Arena, Art 44, Decadence, Avalon, etc never a problem or issue. Sure it's their club and they can do what ever they want.

If your saying racism is common in Kiev and UA. I never saw or experienced it anywhere else at least not in such a blatant fashion. Maybe I have lucky so far who knows.

I have been clubs all over the world including Vegas twice last year, so I know how the system works. How I miss the American sense of greed where if your dressed appropriately top clubs simply request you buy your way in by getting bottle service.[/QUOTE]True, I can't be 100% objective but can attempt to give an as unbiased opinion. I have also been to clubs all over the world and witnessed the different selection processes there. I remember trying to bring a real skanky girl in to Arena club many years ago and being told that I needed to take a table for $500 deposit. That was their way of saying "Are you really sure you want to bring HER in?".

Racism is common in Ukraine but it's more a prejudice rather than any nationalistic concept so violence is rare. It can happen of course but it happens all over the world sadly.

[QUOTE=The Mercy Seat;1452168]Thanks LilJoey for the exstensive report. And yes I have been reading a lot of pages here going back a long time. It is just when I think of a bar it is normally more quiet and not so loud music. I was just hoping that there was a bar to pick up women in Kiev that has a more relaxed atmosphere. Guess I have to put up with the loud music if I want some action at bars then. It seems like strip clubs or picking up girls form Mamba is more the right setting for me then. I am getting older and I am so sick of the disco music. I was already sick of it 20 years ago. Never liked it.[/QUOTE]There probably are some quiet bars around downtown Kiev. But the practical issue would seem to be what location will have a the greatest number of available, high level of beauty p4p ladies with which you can interact. Although, as the saying goes, you only need one, it is a numbers game and theoretical prospects in your immediate vicinity of mongering, the more chance you have of getting what you are looking for. So for this reason I say to you, forgo the quiet bars when seeking really good p4p, and go where the big game hunters go, which is where the most prey is to be found.

It seems my report seemed to have many members writing things like " Have you been to Ukraine?" Indian. 45, . I don't think so", Racism."etc.

Well all I can say is that being a member I wanted to write about what I did in Ukraine and contribute to this thread.

Someone even mentioned racism. Sorry to say that not once in my 5 days stay there did I experience any form of racism. In fact on the first night in Kiev, after spending a couple of hours in Skybar, I went to D-Lux. Not much crowd there but got to know 2 girls and then as it was not so busy there, the girls decided to take the party somewhere else. I suggested Skybar and they said ok. Back at Skybar, they refused to let the girls in, even though they were well dressed and looking great. One of them even had a press pass. They just flatly refused. I was told I could go in but not them. So to all of you who say that racism is a big factor, well I suggest you just dress up better and remove the placard from your neck that states " I am looking for SEX".

I don't have to justify myself to anyone. Period.

TB

[QUOTE= Racism is common in Ukraine but it's more a prejudice rather than any nationalistic concept so violence is rare. It can happen of course but it happens all over the world sadly.[/QUOTE]

IL

Have you heard of this guy . Mohammand Zahoor? Funny how a brown guy is the one of the richest Expat's. LOL.

[url]http://nswk.ly/XnSU4g[/url]

YP

[quote=travel buddy; 1452437]it seems my report seemed to have many members writing things like " have you been to ukraine?" indian. 45, . i don't think so", racism."etc.

well all i can say is that being a member i wanted to write about what i did in ukraine and contribute to this thread.

someone even mentioned racism. sorry to say that not once in my 5 days stay there did i experience any form of racism. in fact on the first night in kiev, after spending a couple of hours in skybar, i went to d-lux. not much crowd there but got to know 2 girls and then as it was not so busy there, the girls decided to take the party somewhere else. i suggested skybar and they said ok. back at skybar, they refused to let the girls in, even though they were well dressed and looking great. one of them even had a press pass. they just flatly refused. i was told i could go in but not them. so to all of you who say that racism is a big factor, well i suggest you just dress up better and remove the placard from your neck that states " i am looking for sex".

i don't have to justify myself to anyone. period.

tb[/quote]thanks for the report. i'm indian as well and contrary to what many believe. indians face most racism in thailand now a days than any place on the planet. in thailand forget bars, even 7/11 stores do not entertain indians and make them wait for sometime before doing their billing, foreign exchange centers do not have indian rupee, and restaurants take forever to serve indian customers.

and bars, indians are outrightly refused, members only excuse is thing of the past and what do non-monger indians get. who just want to spend vacation in thailand to buy toys for their kids. this.

indian tourist punched and kicked outside south pattaya shopping mall

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/94139/indian-tourist-punched-kicked-south-pattaya-shopping-mall/[/url]

they are just normal tourist not looking for girls and they were beaten up by shop keepers for no good reason but for inquiring about the price of toys.

yes. there are quite a lot of cheap charlies from india, sharing girls and beers, smell, obnoxious behavior but you just can't club the entire 1. 3 billion humans into one category. you just judged 17% of the entire human race with one sentence. that indians can't get laid.). people don't understand india combines the entire population of europe plus north america. ukraine will be just a tiny speck in the vast ocean of indians on the planet.) yeah scary thought)

how many obnoxious europeans and americans have you met in your life. well, we have that in entirety as indians. you can divide your obnoxious behavior between brits, germans, russians, french, american. but we got to deal will them all as indians in one piece.

there are many different types of indians you will come across as you do with germans, french and americans. they guy must have got the game, charm to be with girls. it has nothing to do with being him an indian and age.

seriously, indians face less racism from europeans and americans than from their own kind due to caste or from other asians. i have dated russians and they were fine, i have lots of american, europeans friends in philippines i met and they were all cool. its the other asians that have the issues with more than ukrainians and russians.

[QUOTE=Travel Buddy; 1452437]So to all of you who say that racism is a big factor, well I suggest you just dress up better and remove the placard from your neck that states " I am looking for SEX".

I don't have to justify myself to anyone. Period.

TB[/QUOTE]Yaar. I don't think most people will not disagree on the race issue. I was simply pointing out the situation at Shooters seems to unique compared what I have seen in Kiev.

The main issue was that is came across you scored a with 'regular" or "normal" girls. Whatever that really means is debatable.

If we are talking about "freebies" with girls with regular jobs that are attractive?

I would say unlikely.

If you are really talking "shoring" 2 semi-pro's in the most likely in 6-7 range, girls who liked you enough and you probably spent enough in food, drinks, taxi's, because you value the GF experience better then straight 4P4?

I would say it is entirely possible.

Just my take on it.

YP

[QUOTE=YellowPaul;1452680]Yaar. I don't think most people will not disagree on the race issue. I was simply pointing out the situation at Shooters seems to unique compared what I have seen in Kiev.[/QUOTE]The situation at Shooters is unique to Kiev. I got declined there Wednesday night and just told them mentally. F*k you, Il never return. Plenty of other places in town to look for ass.

Kiev is no Moscow with its brutal face control policies that cater mostly to Russians. The greatness of Kiev's night life feeds from older foreign guys flying in from the West.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1452691]The situation at Shooters is unique to Kiev. I got declined there Wednesday night and just told them mentally. F*k you[/QUOTE]I got nothing against the owner since I don't know who he is. I could not in.

LOL.

If his policy is working for him. He should be allowed to keep it.

The free market can decide.

Irish Lad. Since you know the owner tell him if the policy is working for him .... tell him he could now start on excluding the Jews now too, assuming he has not already.

LOL.

YP

[QUOTE=Travel Buddy; 1452437]It seems my report seemed to have many members writing things like " Have you been to Ukraine?" Indian. 45, . I don't think so", Racism."etc.

Well all I can say is that being a member I wanted to write about what I did in Ukraine and contribute to this thread.

Someone even mentioned racism. Sorry to say that not once in my 5 days stay there did I experience any form of racism. In fact on the first night in Kiev, after spending a couple of hours in Skybar, I went to D-Lux. Not much crowd there but got to know 2 girls and then as it was not so busy there, the girls decided to take the party somewhere else. I suggested Skybar and they said ok. Back at Skybar, they refused to let the girls in, even though they were well dressed and looking great. One of them even had a press pass. They just flatly refused. I was told I could go in but not them. So to all of you who say that racism is a big factor, well I suggest you just dress up better and remove the placard from your neck that states " I am looking for SEX".

I don't have to justify myself to anyone. Period.

TB[/QUOTE]I have very similar features and look as the actor Blair Underwood. I was in Ukraine for a month and overall I did not experience any Racism. The only thing that I experience and to this day I do not know if it was racism or stupidity on this Ukrainian guy. The guy was a waiter at the italian Restaurant we were eating dinner that evening. I asked him for Pasta with Meat Sauce. He bring back spaghetti with sauce. My girl and I tell him that this is NOT Pasta with meat sauce or basically what I order. He come back late with the same pasta and he threw a little bit of ground beef back. We just ask for this other girl who had waited on us previously to take care our table. By the way, this girl was a clone to the Super Model Anne V and she was making the eyes for me, but I could not get away from the girl from Poltava that I was with. I do not know if this guy simply did not understand me or if he did not know what I was asking him, but beside that everybody or everywhere I went people treated me very, very well. I do agree with the Travel Buddy that as long as you do not have a sign saying "I am looking for Sex" you can have anything you want. Guys, this girl from Poltava a normal girl let me stay in her Apartment free of charge. I also had as much sex as I wanted. Yes, I paid for the dinner and other food that I consume while Iw as there, but let keep it real folks I need to eat.

Or I almost forgot, I was at a bowling aley with my girl from Poltava and we were both having a great time and fun. There was 2 couples next to us, they asked if we wanted to join them in there game, which we did. We had a blast! So guys keep it cool and you will have as much pussy as you want and there wil be no problem.

Hi Guys, I have been in Kiev and Kharkov 3 years ago. Now I am planning to visit first Kiev and Yalta. Do you have any info about Yalta? I am mostly interested in Freebie scene or sponsorship? What should I find there? Thanks in advance for your help.