Sao Paulo Reports

The time has come for me to post my report on clinicas. As always, this report does not serve to criticize anyone and how they choose to spend their time and money. Everyone has different tastes and objectives in this hobby, so the assessment below is merely a reflection of mine. I write this because, as stated in my earlier posts on the Rio forum, my reports will serve to inform the "newbie monger", rather than the experienced monger who knows the lay of the land. Please also keep in mind that I write this with a particular type of taste. I will never monger in Africa and I have little to no intention of mongering in Asia. I like European women and Latina types so my subjective views outlined here reflect as such. If I state something factually incorrect, please feel free to engage. But, I have not and will not engage in a debate here as I am merely presenting an opinion based on my own experiences.

An unnamed senior board member expressed to me in a PM that clinicas are like sandwich shops where you stop in for a decent meal. You aren't expecting gourmet and you aren't going to pay gourmet prices either. After at least 2 visits to many, many of the clinicas on the SP map, I agree with this sentiment. My whirlwind tour of the clinicas has left me largely unimpressed as I find most of the girls to be Rio tier 2 termas equivalent. The best establishments would maybe be Tier 1. 5 equivalent. The girls are not unattractive but I hesitate to spend money for their time. Sure, a few 7's are thrown in the mix but by and large you are going to have to search pretty hard for them. Furthermore, you never know which clinica is going to have the best lineup that day. One day Prime had a decent lineup but on my next visit I walked out within seconds of the last girl introducing herself. I'd say the average across all clinicas is probably a 4 or 5. I have yet to see a girl higher than 8 on my scale at any clinica. And that was only one 8.

There is a reason that these clinicas have thousands of positive reviews on local forums. The places are affordable and you will get good service for the most part. For your average, middle to upper middle class Brazilian guy, places like Prime, Mirunas, Enjoy, and Abbobora are the quality sandwich shop. Clinicas are the unlimited soup, salad, and breadsticks at Olive Garden. They can go there, session with a decent looking girl, get good service, and go home to their wives with a smile on their face without breaking the bank. I get it and the model makes sense. I will once again paraphrase a quote by Bearsi, "I am not going to fly several thousand miles to bang average looking women that I could at home after a few drinks in a bar and some decent game".

There is also a reason why Scandallo basically has no reviews on local forums. Your average, middle class Brazilian isn't going to Scandallo, perhaps ever. A night there would cost him half his monthly paycheck. The locals visiting Scandallo are among the small number of wealthy members of Brazilian society. This was explained to me by a wealthy, local Brazilian. Since there aren't many of them, they obviously aren't posting on local forums often, if at all. But it is because of the money that the club can bring in the most attractive girls to work. If you want a luxury car, you're going to have to pay for it. Sure, you might be able to find that 69 GTO at a backwoods auction hosted by some old dude who doesn't know what he has, but that is the exception rather than the rule. If one puts in the work, you can find the diamond in the rough, but if you're on a short vacation, why would you want to do that? Unless you enjoy the search of course.

In summary, I leave the newbie monger with similar tastes to mine (top tier IG model types) with this: clinicas are a waste of your time unless you just need to get a quick release. I doubt I will continue to visit them much more as I can find better quality online or at Scandallo.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2575338]The time has come for me to post my report on clinicas. An unnamed senior board member expressed to me in a PM that clinicas are like sandwich shops where you stop in for a decent meal. You aren't expecting gourmet and you aren't going to pay gourmet prices either. After at least 2 visits to many, many of the clinicas on the SP map, I agree with this sentiment. My whirlwind tour of the clinicas has left me largely unimpressed as I find most of the girls to be Rio tier 2 termas equivalent. The best establishments would maybe be Tier 1. 5 equivalent. The girls are not unattractive but I hesitate to spend money for their time. Sure, a few 7's are thrown in the mix but by and large you are going to have to search pretty hard for them.
There is a reason that these clinicas have thousands of positive reviews on local forums. The places are affordable and you will get good service for the most part. For your average, middle to upper middle class Brazilian guy, places like Prime, Mirunas, Enjoy, and Abbobora are the quality sandwich shop. Clinicas are the unlimited soup, salad, and breadsticks at Olive Garden. They can go there, session with a decent looking girl, get good service, and go home to their wives with a smile on their face without breaking the bank. I get it and the model makes sense. I will once again paraphrase a quote by Bearsi, "I am not going to fly several thousand miles to bang average looking women that I could at home after a few drinks in a bar and some decent game".

There is also a reason why Scandallo basically has no reviews on local forums. Your average, middle class Brazilian isn't going to Scandallo, perhaps ever. A night there would cost him half his monthly paycheck. The locals visiting Scandallo are among the small number of wealthy members of Brazilian society. This was explained to me by a wealthy, local Brazilian. Since there aren't many of them, they obviously aren't posting on local forums often, if at all. But it is because of the money that the club can bring in the most attractive girls to work. If you want a luxury car, you're going to have to pay for it. Sure, you might be able to find that 69 GTO at a backwoods auction hosted by some old dude who doesn't know what he has, but that is the exception rather than the rule. If one puts in the work, you can find the diamond in the rough, but if you're on a short vacation, why would you want to do that? Unless you enjoy the search of course. In summary, I leave the newbie monger with similar tastes to mine (top tier IG model types) with this: clinicas are a waste of your time unless you just need to get a quick release. I doubt I will continue to visit them much more as I can find better quality online or at Scandallo.[/QUOTE]I find your report to well-written, insightful, and in line with my own findings. The girls working in the "day league" aren't all the same ones working in the "night league". And just because you find one here or there who does work in both, that doesn't establish that they all do, or that even a significant number do. They don't. If they did, well I'm smart enough to realize that, and would rate the clinicas higher. And further, on average the girls who work the clinicas just aren't as hot as the ones who work the top nightclubs in Sao Paulo. It's going to cost you more to drive a BMW versus a Buick. And a Bentley will cost you even more! That's not mere "overpaying". That's paying for luxury! Bravo TiaVoyage! Bravo! Written like a seasoned monger, and not a "newbie". Bravo!

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There is also a reason why Scandallo basically has no reviews on local forums. Your average, middle class Brazilian isn't going to Scandallo, perhaps ever. A night there would cost him half his monthly paycheck. The locals visiting Scandallo are among the small number of wealthy members of Brazilian society. This was explained to me by a wealthy, local Brazilian. Since there aren't many of them, they obviously aren't posting on local forums often, if at all. But it is because of the money that the club can bring in the most attractive girls to work. If you want a luxury car, you're going to have to pay for it. Sure, you might be able to find that 69 GTO at a backwoods auction hosted by some old dude who doesn't know what he has, but that is the exception rather than the rule. If one puts in the work, you can find the diamond in the rough, but if you're on a short vacation, why would you want to do that? Unless you enjoy the search of course. ].

In my opinion there are not many reviews on Scandallo on this forum and worse yet Fazendinha in Campinas. Pricing at Scandallo is ambiguous. People generally know that is hard to get out of there without spending 800-1000 reais damage because of the level of talent and they know the general breakdown.

- 250 entrance and (150 in consumption).

- 300 for room onsite for 1 hour.

- 500 minimum for girl usually get quoted 1000 (negotiable, incorrect assumption is that the rate is for 1 hour).

Not sure if this is common knowledge but what I recently learned in April from a reliable GDP acquaintance was that it is better deal to negotiate with the girl, pay house 100 to take the girl out instead of assuming it is 500-1000 for an hour with the girl because of 300/ HR room rate. Recognize this option is not for everyone and some are not comfortable bringing stranger back to hotel. Hope to try this out in a couple of weeks.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2575338]The time has come for me to post my report on clinicas. As always, this report does not serve to criticize anyone and how they choose to spend their time and money. Everyone has different tastes and objectives in this hobby, so the assessment below is merely a reflection of mine. I write this because, as stated in my earlier posts on the Rio forum, my reports will serve to inform the "newbie monger", rather than the experienced monger who knows the lay of the land. Please also keep in mind that I write this with a particular type of taste. I will never monger in Africa and I have little to no intention of mongering in Asia. I like European women and Latina types so my subjective views outlined here reflect as such. If I state something factually incorrect, please feel free to engage. But, I have not and will not engage in a debate here as I am merely presenting an opinion based on my own experiences.[/QUOTE]Not offended, and I think it's a fair assessment. If you're looking for top tier, IG model level talent, no question, go to Scandallo. If you're looking for budget fun, go to clinicas. On most days, I found about 4 7's, and sometimes a couple 8's. I think Sasha (abbobora) was an 8. 5, although service level left quite a bit to be desired. You're probably going to spend at least 5 x the cost of clinicas. If I stay there long term, I'll probably try to mix it up.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2575040]
a smell unleashes that has effectively given me PTSD. I do not even want to describe it in detail here, but we all know what I am talking about:
I feign a finish within a matter of a minute, burn the condom (read: seal it in a bag, then throw it in another bag), decontaminate (shower for a very long time), and metaphorically cry myself to sleep (though literally doing so in this case would be justified). The girl was going to spend the night but I had to kick her out, although I did so in a very nice way. She didn't ask for this amount since I cut the session short, but I was craving a shower in the worst way and just wanted to get her out immediately. As the sun came up, my heart went down. A single tear rolled down my cheek as I couldn't figure out how to open the window of my hotel room. Luckily I have 2 beds.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha, you are too funny and love your writing style.

I have mentioned this smell issue after my trip report (my old username was oldbelly69) and it is complete turnoff.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2575422]Hahahaha, you are too funny and love your writing style.

I have mentioned this smell issue after my trip report (my old username was oldbelly69) and it is complete turnoff.[/QUOTE]One of the worst smells and instant boner killer. Doesn't occur often but you know the stench. I would guess she is on her monthly cycle; a lot of girls have to keep working so they stuff cotton (algodao) in their private part.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2575213]The reason I say arrive by 10 pm is because it gives you a chance to be the "early worm" and potentially grab a hottie "fresh" before anybody else can get on her during the night. If I plan to have dinner there, I will arrive earlier than that, eat, and then sit back and have some drinks and relax. Stroll around a little bit. Find an early score! This is how I do. I like to be able to "operate" some before the place gets packed, and have found some absolute stunners that way. Kicks my evening off right![/QUOTE]I've been meaning to ask this about Scandallo. Whenever I session, I try to be fresh off the shower and also have perfect dental hygiene, I expect the same from the girl. If arriving early, and eating there, how do you all deal with the dilemma of say having eaten seafood and then having a random garota come up to sit down with you, maybe start kissing here and there or even walk up to the room and start the action prior to freshening up? Do you just sip on a straight whisky to kill the germs? LOL. I imagine once in the room you can shower and brush your teeth right? But what about in between?

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2575338]In summary, I leave the newbie monger with similar tastes to mine (top tier IG model types) with this: clinicas are a waste of your time unless you just need to get a quick release. I doubt I will continue to visit them much more as I can find better quality online or at Scandallo.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I'm kind of disappointed now since I was hoping to spend my daytime at clinicas and nighttime at Scandallo. My whole expectation in going to SP is to find "IG model" quality girls, as others have said they are to be found plenty. My scale of 1-10 is on the high side, since I've lived in LA and other West Coast cities for awhile and have been spoiled. Is the only alternative to find that consistently during daytime to use online services? I'm looking forward to more of your findings, I'm a fairly new monger so your info is just what I need.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2575067]TiaVoyage, I feel your pain man. There is nothing worse than smelly pussy. ..........Thankfully, I do not come across smelly pussy very often, but when I do the question arises: should I tell the girl or not. LOL. I do not say anything, but clearly my actions speak volumes.[/QUOTE]LOL. SMH.

Thankfully, I haven't had a serious incident that a shower didn't cure.
Shower First (not hand and water, [U]I mean Water, Soap, and Washcloth!![/U]) if that doesn't help then she got to go. And yes I would tell her why she is being dismissed.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2575297]Some guys just seem to catch all the bad luck. Or, maybe we have been lucky? Don't know.[/QUOTE]Happened to me once at Brooklin Massagem.

I am putting this report here since (Fazendinha is sometimes talked about and compared to Scandallo) and also in the Campinas thread (which is hardly visited):

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I was in Campinas a few weeks ago on a business trip. Met up with a friend who lived in Sao Paulo.

[B]Fazendinha[/B]

Took an Uber from Centro to Fazendinha (took 35 minutes due to traffic, normally only 23 minutes) on a Thursday night. We got there at 6:30 pm. The outside is very impressive. Looks like a resort straight out of Palm Springs. We entered into the outside resort area where there is a swimming pool, bar, outdoor restaurant, and outdoor tables. There were about 20 girls scattered all around the area. Quality was quite high, with most girls about an 8 in rating sprinkled in with one or two 9's. We hung around this outside area for about 30 minutes and at 7 pm, the inside area which consists of restaurant and dance floor opened up. The outside area only stays open until 8 pm. The inside area was a bit underwhelming. The restaurant was quite small and enclosed with a revolving door. I would say it had about maybe 10-12 tables so it could fit about 40 people max. It was about 1/3 the size of the restaurant at Scandallo. There's a buffet and also a la carte menu. Girls eat at the buffet for free every night so as we were eating in the restaurant, the girls would come in and grab their food from the buffet and then bring it out to the dance floor area that had a lot of booths and tables and they would eat there. Girls can't eat inside the restaurant unless they order a la carte. The food was ok but not as good as Scandallo's.

By about 9 pm, there were about 50-60 girls in the dance floor area. There were probably only about 15-20 male customers so the ratio was quite good. I didn't like the layout of this area as there was a dance floor and then a lot of booths and tables to the side so if a girl was occupied, you couldn't even really see her. There were also booths up in a higher area that were pretty private. I prefer a more open area where you can see everyone around. There's also a stage in this disco area where girls do strip shows every 30 minutes or so. Pretty ho hum.

In the restaurant, I met this beautiful 23 year old from Rio named Thifany! She recently got divorced. Just kidding [B]Steve9696[/B]. I really met a 20 year old girl from Campinas that gave me a good vibe. Had a nice all natural body with [NOPARSE]C cups[/NOPARSE]. After having a couple of drinks, we talked about price. She opened with R700 for an hour. I countered with R400 and we settled on R500. We went to the hotel room which was about 50 yards outside on another side of the resort. Very nice rooms. The service that this girl gave was pretty bad. She seemed too inexperienced. Gave BBBJ but not a good one. I didn't really interview her asking what she would or wouldn't do. Just went with the flow.

My friend took a spinner with big naturals and he could only negotiate R500 for an hour also.

We also went back here the next night which was Friday. Talent was weaker with only about 35 girls on hand.

Getting an Uber from Fazendinha back to Centro was a total crapshoot. On Thursday night, it took us 30 minutes to find an Uber. Then on Friday night it took us 5 minutes by luck since the driver was dropping someone off at Fazendinha. [B]They stayed open until 3 am even during the restrictions.[/B].

[U]Pricing structure[/U]:

[NOPARSE]* Entrance - R250 fully consumable. There's also a lunch special from Noon to 3 p on weekdays where the entrance is R100 but everything else is a la carte (food, drinks). Good price if you want to enter and just session to keep costs down.[/NOPARSE]

[NOPARSE]* Rooms - starting at R110 with no AC up, then R160 for standard suite (the one I chose, which was bigger than Scandallo's), and R180 for the best suite.[/NOPARSE]

[NOPARSE]* Exit fee - I forgot to ask!!![/NOPARSE]

[NOPARSE]* Girls - seem to open with R700 and accept R500.[/NOPARSE]

[NOPARSE]Total damage - R250 (entrance) + R500 (girl) + R160 (room) = R910[/NOPARSE]

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[B]Moustache Single's Bar[/B]

We decided to check this place out at 7 pm on a Friday night. It looks like a pub inside. The rules are like Cafe Foto. Girls can't approach the customers. We paid the entrance and used the consumption to eat some pizza. There were about 15 very bored girls and a half of them were old ladies. We left after 2 hours.

[U]Pricing structure[/U]:

[NOPARSE]* Entrance - R120 fully consumable.[/NOPARSE]

[NOPARSE]* Rooms - none[/NOPARSE]

[NOPARSE]* Exit fee - R120.[/NOPARSE]

[NOPARSE]* Girls - start off at R500 but will accept R400.[/NOPARSE]

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[B]Jardim Itatinga Neighborhood[/B]

We decided to check out Las Vegas Night Club here. Never heard of it but ran across it on some Google search. This neighborhood is something else. It's a full red light district neighborhood. Multiple streets lined with working girls, some which are topless. It was like a cleaner, bigger Vila Mimosa. I don't know how many blocks there were, but each street had fairly large casas which all had working girls in them (maybe 6-8 girls per casa but most of the time they seemed to be in the street enticing drivers and pedestrians to come inside).

As we were walking around, a hot girl from Bahia invited us into one of the casas. She asked me if I could buy her and her friend a beer. I said sure. This is where I went wrong as I wasn't sure how these casas operated. She took my entrance card and marked down 2 beers. She then negotiated R50 for half hour of sex with my friend. When they went to the room, she was going to give him a covered BJ so he reneged and they both came back to the bar. At this point I was ready to go so I went to close the bill. [NOPARSE]The guy behind the bar says "That'll be R703". I then asked "don't you mean R70,30?" He said "no, I mean 700 reais." I looked at the bill and lo and behold, a beer costs R70! The girl also marked 2 whiskeys and 2 red bulls. They also charged R30 for the room and somehow it all came out to R700! After a heated argument about everything, the guy said "Give me R350 and you can go". I said "I'll give you R300 which seems more than fair considering the girl ordered stuff without my consent".[/NOPARSE] The bar was run by some young thugs so I wasn't going to get into a physical altercation over this. He accepted the R300 and we got out of there.

Lesson learned. If you go into these places, hang onto your entrance card and check the pricing for any drinks before ordering! Do not give the girl your entrance card under any circumstances!

[B]Final Thoughts[/B]

Campinas is a small town and seemed a bit old, blue collar like. Would I ever return? I doubt it. It was cool to finally cross Fazendinha off the list but I don't think it's worth going out of the way to experience it when Scandallo is already in Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2575474]In the restaurant, I met this beautiful 23 year old from Rio named Thifany! She recently got divorced. Just kidding [B]Steve9696[/B] . . . [/QUOTE]You had me going there for a minute! ...kkkk

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2575474][b]Final Thoughts[/b]

Campinas is a small town and seemed a bit old, blue collar like. Would I ever return? I doubt it. It was cool to finally cross Fazendinha off the list but I don't think it's worth going out of the way to experience it when Scandallo is already in Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]Nice report and thanks for the Scandallo comparison, for those of us looking to part take in the Sao Paulo/Campinas night clubs.

Hahaha. Safado you got me too. I could feel my heart rising into my throat as you mentioned Thifany. Good one! Love your report and so interesting to hear about that RLD. I am a meticulous researcher but did not find that. Sounds like maybe good I didn't. LOL.

I think your overall assessment of Fazendinha is spot on. Rather cool place to go if you happen to be in Campinas. And you can get lucky as I did with Thifany. I also lucked out at Moustache with Ayslane. I think she was a bit older as you say because I ended up following her Insta and seeing she had a son about 5. She's since had another kid and still looks amazing tho (one of those fab faces).

Just one thing to add. When I went they were running a limo (van) and would come down to Campinas to pick up and then come get you at 3 AM. This avoids the Uber problem. I had that happen but even worse at a Boate called SusiNight out in the sticks near CDS. Got damn lucky to catch a ride with the sandwich truck guy, else my colleagues would have wondered where the fuck I am next morning! The struggle is real!

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2575338]... I'd say the average across all clinicas is probably a 4 or 5. I have yet to see a girl higher than 8 on my scale at any clinica. And that was only one 8....[/QUOTE]You have very high standards. I won't advise you to visit any other Latin American country as Brazil is tops in this region. FKKs for you.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2575619]You have very high standards. I won't advise you to visit any other Latin American country as Brazil is tops in this region. FKKs for you.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with him, and I love mongering in Latin America in general, and in Brazil in particular. I think he was talking very narrowly here about the clinicas, where I also find the overall overall optics to be poor. Lots of 6's and below. That said, just stick to the more higher-end places, and perhaps the clinicas known for having the best optics (changes with time), and you will be fine mongering in Brazil! I mean, didn't you see how much he loved Scandallo? I believe your advise is a harsh reaction to somebody who mostly rejects the quality found in the clinicas, as I do. But it's well known that I love Brazil!

[QUOTE=Combo;2575278]Same as Turgid. In dozens of trips to Brasil, I never encountered a chick w stinky pussy.[/QUOTE]Some guys are channeling Hemingway on the Rio thread, I'll just quote Miss Phoebe Buffay.

Smelly Cat, Smelly Cat.

What are they feeding you?

Smelly Cat, Smelly Cat.

It's not your fault.