Kyiv

[QUOTE=LifeSavour;1457352]Did score a 26 year old free (cried when I offered her some $$$, ya het prostitiyka).[/QUOTE]It's prostitutka, not prostitiyka.

[QUOTE=TommyFranks; 1454899]1) Renting from Airports and train stations are always charged at a premium as it is prime location for people to rent with the need to get going immediately.

2) I would never rent a car in the CIS unless I spoke fluent Russian, which I don't. Especially considering all the risks of accidents where the other side might claim it was your fault.

Udachi![/QUOTE]Thank you 'Me and You' and Tommy Franks for the car rental info. I may be in Kiev next month.

Ciao,

Misc

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1457534]It's prostitutka, not prostitiyka.[/QUOTE]Do you see the location of the Y & U & I.

You've got too much time on your hands!

"go get a prosttiyka to play with!" (shit I did it again, damn Cognac!)

LS "having more fun than is legally possible"

Ok, not too long I promised I would post reviews of strip-clubs. I am with my friend right now and I don't have too much time to go out.

1) Dolls: The entrance was 200 and there were very pretty dancers. Only problem was that the girls spoke so so English. And one of them seemed scared that I was checking her out. Some dancers will come to you, but you have to be proactive. Anyone know how it costs to order a song there? I saw two different prices. I will return cause I met one, I am generally interested in for take-out. My friend leaves this Thursday.

2) Penthouse: Avoid. The lady in the elevator wanted a tip or she wouldn't let me out. But on the positive side, if you like dark-haired women. This is the place to go. Sex on premise is too expensive.

3) Arena stars: Expensive dances, but some of it was fun. Filled with mostly blonde hair dancers. Can't remember much, I was too drunk. Dances were 600 and dancers asked for a tip afterwards.

4) Millennium: Out of all the dancers there were. About five to six were really attractive, but two stood out the most. The ice doll and the one that is just starting out, Angelica, no idea what her worth is. She is dark haired and tan skin. Get to her before she knows the game. The dancers were mad cause we weren't spending any money and one of them drank my drink twice. She came off the stage and just drink it all in one gulp. Crazy fun girl.

5) Club Rio: Really? This is suppose to be great? Avoid.

I can't remember some bars we went to. But there were locals and that was enough for me to get five dates with natural local girls. Nice. But nothing came out of three dates. Which is ok. I have to spend time with my buddy.

[QUOTE=Castonthis; 1457766]5) Club Rio: Really? This is suppose to be great? Avoid.[/QUOTE]Great report. I although I have only been to a few strips clubs in Kiev I too thought the same about Rio.

[QUOTE=Castonthis; 1457766]Ok, not too long I promised I would post reviews of strip-clubs. I am with my friend right now and I don't have too much time to go out.

1) Dolls: The entrance was 200 and there were very pretty dancers. Only problem was that the girls spoke so so English. And one of them seemed scared that I was checking her out. Some dancers will come to you, but you have to be proactive. Anyone know how it costs to order a song there? I saw two different prices. I will return cause I met one, I am generally interested in for take-out. My friend leaves this Thursday.

2) Penthouse: Avoid. The lady in the elevator wanted a tip or she wouldn't let me out. But on the positive side, if you like dark-haired women. This is the place to go. Sex on premise is too expensive.

3) Arena stars: Expensive dances, but some of it was fun. Filled with mostly blonde hair dancers. Can't remember much, I was too drunk...[/QUOTE][QUOTE=YellowPaul;1457846]Great report. I although I have only been to a few strips clubs in Kiev I too thought the same about Rio.[/QUOTE]Anyone looking for info and reviews on the strip clubs in Kiev should look up the reports by TheKnight within the past two or three years, to find information that's accurate.

Rio strip club was never recommended as a great strip club. If you want to go to a strip club with the hottest girls, you can follow what TheKnight has written. The only merit Rio ever had was that it had the lowest price for take out amongst the other strip clubs that had take out. At Rio the base price for take out was $300/3hours. At other strip clubs the price was higher. The preference for Rio was solely for those whose motives were price driven. But how can one guide the clueless. Read the forum or visit the establishments and learn the pros and cons of each place and report on it, being specific as to what you're talking about.

Hello,

Does "600" mean 600 dollars for take-out?

If so, for how long?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1457868]Anyone looking for info and reviews on the strip clubs in Kiev should look up the reports by TheKnight within the past two or three years, to find information that's accurate.

Rio strip club was never recommended as a great strip club. If you want to go to a strip club with the hottest girls, you can follow what TheKnight has written. The only merit Rio ever had was that it had the lowest price for take out amongst the other strip clubs that had take out. At Rio the base price for take out was $300/3hours. At other strip clubs the price was higher. The preference for Rio was solely for those whose motives were price driven. But how can one guide the clueless. Read the forum or visit the establishments and learn the pros and cons of each place and report on it, being specific as to what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]Ok. Maybe I wasn't specific. Last night went out on a date with local girl. Got too drunk and we parted after a few hours. I went back to dolls and got kicked out for being too drunk. I went to paradise cabaret and can't remember much other than it being empty at about 3am. And they too kicked me out for sleeping. So can't report on prices but I will say never go to strip clubs. Too expensive or there isn't take-out with the girls you want it to be.

Local girls are too friendly to not hang out with.

[QUOTE=Jony B; 1457992]Hello,

Does "600" mean 600 dollars for take-out?

If so, for how long?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]No. 600 means Grivna for private dance that can be pretty dirty with some of the girls.

None do take-out. Tried it and all rejected it.

Like I said, Penthouse is the only one that has worthwhile take-out but you pay 3500 for escort to your place for three hours or 2200 for 45mins of sex at the club. Which isn't worth it.

[QUOTE=Castonthis; 1458110]No. 600 means Grivna for private dance that can be pretty dirty with some of the girls.

None do take-out. Tried it and all rejected it.

Like I said, Penthouse is the only one that has worthwhile take-out but you pay 3500 for escort to your place for three hours or 2200 for 45mins of sex at the club. Which isn't worth it.[/QUOTE]Dear Castonthis, I know you are trying to benefit the members of this forum with your observations and experiences. So now you've given a bit more information regarding take out prices at Penthouse strip club. Good.

You report that take out costs 3 500 UAH ($430 USD) for 3 hours. That's a pretty steep price, compared to Rio and Mandarin price for 3 hours of $2,400 UAH ($300 USD). You report 2200 UAH for 45 minutes of sex in the Penthouse club? That's $270 USD for 45 minutes, a rate of $360 / hour. A ridiculous price in Kiev.

Did you happen to note, in your inebriated state, what were the take out prices at Dolls currently? When I visited Dolls and reported on it over a year ago, the prices were something like $300 USD for 2 hours, and $500 for "all night".

Although you still were not specific about why a club was "worthwhile" or not, I am going to try to read between the lines in your posts, and interpret what you are saying is that you think that the girls at Penthouse are "worthwhile" because you thought they looked very good. However, when you went to Rio you wrote,"this is supposed to be great? Avoid", and you didn't explain why you thought it was not great. It was because you did not see girls there that looked good enough for take out, and for that reason you wrote to avoid the club. Was that what you meant? If you meant some other aspect of Rio, aside from the looks of the girls, was not good for you, please clarify.

The reason it is important to clarify what you were actually saying is that every establishment or experience has different aspects and factors. You need to be specific about what aspect you are commenting on, in order for others to understand what you are really saying.

Since beauty is in the eye of the beholder, a different monger might look at the same line up you saw at Rio and feel he does want to take out a girl from there. Another monger may agree with you and find them to be not pretty enough for take out, like you felt, or he might disagree with you and like the way some of the girls in the line up look like and be might then take a girl out.

Once we know what you are saying, another monger is able to evaluate whether he agrees or disagrees with you, as the matter of beauty is a very subjective thing.

And by the way, if it is true what you say, that the girls at Penthouse are much prettier than the girls at Rio, then perhaps that is the reason they are asking the higher price of $430/3hours, while Rio's price stays at $300/3hours.

Now in reaction to what you have written, I would say that I have heard this before from others who said that they didn't feel the girls on display at Rio were so beautiful, compared to beauties they saw outside on the streets of Kiev. Again, this is a subjective thing. On the occasions that I have been in Rio, I have noticed the plain looking girls there. But I always found some girls to be in the "awesome" category, very good looking, and have taken out many of the girls from Rio that I considered "worthwhile." But it is a subjective thing for each guy to decide for himself.

If you really liked the look of the girls at the Penthouse strip club, perhaps you should rethink the decision not to pull a girl from there for take out. If you feel you've exhausted the possibilities that both Rio and Mandarin offer in terms of prettiness of girl, and don't feel it's worth going back and looking for some girls who might be pretty enough, then you know what's possible to get at the $300 / hour rate. So you must move up the ladder, to another price level. But how far to go?

The rate at Dolls of $300/2 hours (I think) , is equivalent to $450/3 hours, or a net rate of $150 / hour. This is the same rate that a girl at a nightclub like D'lux or Buddha Bar is pitching when she negotiates down to a sum of $300/2 hours, which seems to be a common amount the girls want at such clubs. In that context, the price at Penthouse that you reported, of 3500 UAH ($430 USD) /3 hours, is slightly lower than the Dolls net rate, since $430/3 hours, is equivalent to a net rate of $143 / hour.

So my recommendation for a guy like you, if you couldn't find girls good enough looking at Rio, is to reconsider the Penthouse girls you liked, and see if you think any GFE potential exists with any of them. Or you can try the high class nightclubs and see if you can negotiate with one of the working girls who is on a beauty level that appeals to you, for a rate of $300/2hours or less.

The impression I get from your view that none of the girls at a place like Rio was worth taking out, is that you are very particular when it comes to beauty, so I don't think you will find girls that are beautiful enough for you, at the lower prices possible in Kiev with some girls in the other nightclubs, or in the Internet sites for girls in Kiev. Unless it is the case that if you know you are getting a low price like $100 / hr, or even $200/2 hours, then you are willing to compromise on the beauty issue and take a girl who is less beautiful than a Penthouse club dancer.

LJ

LifeSavour, I would have done the same as you. The whole proposition is corrupt.

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This was my first time in the Ukraine, although I've been on adventures in other EE countries. I did my homework on ISG and went out to see Kiev in action. Here's my summary of the week. First night I went to Skybar but it was a Karaoke night and I couldn't tell who was working if any were. I headed off to Buddha Bar and sat at the bar. I was quickly approached by a girl who said that she wanted me to take her home for 300$ USD. It was starting to get late on a Sunday and she wasn't bad. I figured this wasn't a bad way to start my week, so I took her home. Or should I say that she drove us to my hotel in her car. It was a pro-session, covered BJ, just what I expect from a WG mechanically. The attitude was more semi-pro. The next day, she offered to take me around in the evening, so I figured why not. She picked me up and we went to a restaurant. Ordering local Ukrainian dishes and no alcohol, somehow we built up a tab of over 850 Grinvas. I certainly didn't eat very much so I'm guessing the prices were quite inflated due to me being American. Still, it wasn't a big deal so we went on a walk back to the hotel did our thing, same fee, and she went home. The next adventure was me trying Skybar on a Wed. And it being closed, so I went to Shooters. P. S. I did not experience racism and I honestly don't think that the people I encountered at Shooters were racist. Shooters was a straight up disco and I couldn't tell a WG from a non-WG. I was approached by a couple locals but they weren't pretty. There were pretty girls who appeared to have boyfriends who wouldn't quit staring at me. Since I don't speak Russian or Ukrainian and was alone, I thought it a good idea to err on the side of caution. So I left Shooters and headed to the fallback. Rio. Rio was surprisingly simple. It is small. The girls dance on stage, if you like one, tell the manager and she will walk over. For 300$ USD, she goes home with you. The first girl I liked didn't speak a word of English, but the second girl did. We went back to my hotel and had the expected WG session. I was kind of pissed off that she smoked in the room when it was written everywhere not to smoke. But quickly got over that during the session. She didn't ask for taxi fare home or try to upsell me in any way.

The argument about whether the club girl or the strip club girl makes better financial sense. I must admit that I can't decide either. In the end, I spent less money at the strip club and had more selection. Having a girl show me around some local places on my dime is less entertaining when we are spending non-local prices for everything. That was my week in Kiev. In conclusion, I wouldn't return to Kiev without learning some Russian or meeting up with someone who can speak the language. There is SO much opportunity in Kiev, the women are so hot, but if you don't speak the language, you are just going to feel bad due to the opportunity lost.

[quote=globalrampage; 1458593]this was my first time in the ukraine, although i've been on adventures in other ee countries. i did my homework on isg and went out to see kiev in action. here's my summary of the week. first night i went to skybar but it was a karaoke night and i couldn't tell who was working if any were. i headed off to buddha bar and sat at the bar. i was quickly approached by a girl who said that she wanted me to take her home for 300$ usd. it was starting to get late on a sunday and she wasn't bad. i figured this wasn't a bad way to start my week, so i took her home. or should i say that she drove us to my hotel in her car. it was a pro-session, covered bj, just what i expect from a wg mechanically. the attitude was more semi-pro. the next day, she offered to take me around in the evening, so i figured why not. she picked me up and we went to a restaurant. ordering local ukrainian dishes and no alcohol, somehow we built up a tab of over 850 grinvas. i certainly didn't eat very much so i'm guessing the prices were quite inflated due to me being american...[/quote]in a full week trip, there was ample opportunity to sample many girls from mamba. ru. how could you have adequately read this thread on kiev as you claim, and missed the recommendation by all the long-standing veterans to pursue mamba contacts as the most fruitful avenue of getting to really good quality pussy eventually. it does take time and application of effort to play the numbers game, but in a week, if you had speed dated a bunch of contacts, there is a high likelihood you would have encountered something good.

newbies. it's really straightforward and has been described many times on this thread. don't know why it's not getting through to you guys. the formula for kiev p4p girls is mamba and internet p4p girl sampling during the day, and nightclub or strip club take out during the night as fallback.

in the beginning, you will be relying more on hotties you meet in nightclubs or strip clubs, but as you continue to meet more and more girls through mamba or other websites, you will begin to build some good contacts with girls at the $100 / hour or lower price range, which is where you want to be.

[QUOTE=GlobalRampage;1458593]I wouldn't return to Kiev without learning some Russian or meeting up with someone who can speak the language. There is SO much opportunity in Kiev, the women are so hot, but if you don't speak the language, you are just going to feel bad due to the opportunity lost.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the honest report. My advice would be to spend more time on Mamba and other sites mentioned here. Russian is good to have but not required in order to meet genuine girls. I never go into any city without some sort of contact list, where at least a couple will provide what I need. And at least one would be girlfriend material. Bars and clubs are often good fun, but fall back options IMHO. Places where I party and collect contact details. I prefer morning and day time sex, so to go out at midnight with the intention to get laid, is not optimal for me.

B

[quote=liljoey;1458825]in a full week trip, there was ample opportunity to sample many girls from mamba. ru. how could you have adequately read this thread on kiev as you claim, and missed the recommendation by all the long-standing veterans to pursue mamba contacts as the most fruitful avenue of getting to really good quality pussy eventually. it does take time and application of effort to play the numbers game, but in a week, if you had speed dated a bunch of contacts, there is a high likelihood you would have encountered something good.[/quote]since my new last replies were essentially similar in that they advocate the mamba approach. that's cool, naturally i read through hundreds of posts about mamba including the links of distinction. i even thought about it but ultimately, it seemed like a game with lots of bad experiences and few good ones. most of the recent threads that i read on the forum denounce the mamba approach and say it is good if you have time to bs around and are willing to deal with the cancellations, speed dating, etc. etc. my personality isn't that of a social bufferfly. i worked from the hotel during the day and went out at night for my adventures. maybe day hunting would have changed the outcome substantially, but i don't usuallly dayhunt and most of the recent threads on mamba who sound more like me, recommended skipping mamba altogether. i'm guessing that you are barba are not of the belief that mamba is a waste of time. that's cool. but when i read the recommendations, i get a feel of who on here has the same kind of personality as me (same likes, dislikes) and use that intuition to figure out which recommendations would be better suited to my personal objectives and personality too.

trust me, it wasn't from lack of reading about the mamba strategies. if i went back, i would probably still want to meetup with a fellow isg'er and i would give mamba a try. this trip, i literally decided to fly to kiev one day in advance after stockholm was a strike-out! even though i ended up there 5 days, i only had a 1 day advanced notice, rendering the mamba option less viable.

i still stand by my report. if you knew all the facts, you'd know it was a credible one.