Bali

[QUOTE=Amjeck]If this is true, the guy surely got what he deserved! He's way out of line to throw a bottle at a 3rd world poor employee.
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Absolutely right. He throws a bottle at a "3rd world poor employee", who has been described as a "thug", and he gets killed.

Perfectly well deserved, I say.........

I have been in some of these clubs. The bouncers are not the nicest people. They also don't really care what happens inside.

You will note in the article I quoted, the writer goes on to say :"Local observers know from experience that physical altercations are not uncommon at Kuta’s nightspots, often involving assaults on guests by employees."

I was in Mbargo last fall, at a batchelor party for some Indian friends. One of my friends threw a paper napkin onto the bar, maybe 1 m away, and it acidently hit a local guy on the shoulder, who was standing at the bar. My friend apologised, the guy gave him a dirty look, and 2 minutes later, broke a glass, and slashed it accross my friend's face. Before any of us could realize what had happened, the guy was long gone. We spent the next 8 hours in 2 different hospitals, until a plastic surgeon stitched him up. He has a nasty scar. The bouncers came over when they saw all over us hunched over my friend, had a cursory look, and walked off.

[QUOTE=Balifox]Hi Pete,

You mentioned you were 'going back home on Danau Poso'. I recently checked out a few places to stay along there, but ended up staying elsewhere. Recommend anywhere along Poso? Prices?

Cheers[/QUOTE]I actually stay off Tamblingan. I put friends in hotels on Tamblingan rather than Poso. Other than the Parigata near the bypass, I can't think of any decent place on Danau Poso that'd I recommend. There are places in the side streets of Danau Poso which have villa rentals. However, I've never visited them so I'm not much help on those.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]If this is true, the guy surely got what he deserved! He's way out of line to throw a bottle at a 3rd world poor employee.[/QUOTE]Nobody deserves to die for what was done. I detest any drunk who gets into fights but any sober bouncer who beats the crap out of a drunk guy is probably not playing straight either.

[QUOTE=1Ball]Absolutely right. He throws a bottle at a "3rd world poor employee", who has been described as a "thug", and he gets killed.

Perfectly well deserved, I say.........

I have been in some of these clubs. The bouncers are not the nicest people. They also don't really care what happens inside.

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My Honda CRV has been ran into 3 times by Motorbikes. I just had it totally
repaired and painted and it was around 9 juta.
When these acidents happen, you stop, you talk, and then you decide thats
it's a no-fault situation. You never call the police...they just want money. The point I am trying to make is that unless there is something in it for the
Thugs, they are just going to ignor it and walk away.
And if they can beat up on a drunk Bule...they will. This is the 3rd World.
A Fools playground...Hati-Hati Always!
RL

[QUOTE=Robert Long] And if they can beat up on a drunk Bule. They will. This is the 3rd World.

A Fools playground. Hati-Hati Always!

RL[/QUOTE]Well to be fair, it's a drunken fool's playground. You don't get that sort of stuff not nearly as often in Seminyak.

Let's be real and look at it this way. Here's a foreigner who comes in who is taking advantage of the disparity in income, gets drunk and abusive. It's not a request to get beaten up but I think bad drunks should just stay at home.

But I must be in the minority since I can control my intake to where I enjoy but am not out of control. Especially if it affects my ability to fuck!

[quote=1ball]absolutely right. he throws a bottle at a "3rd world poor employee", who has been described as a "thug", and he gets killed.

perfectly well deserved, i say.........[/quote]imo this has nothing do with being "a 3rd world poor employee" or being in the "3rd world" per se.

recreate the same scenario in munich, manchester, or miami, and one is likely to receive the same beating to varying degrees; it's not a "3rd world" problem, nor is it representative of "3rd world cultures", often its a person's "1st world" sense of entitlement and ego that makes one think their actions, regardless of how boorish or brutish, are accorded blanket immunity from blowback or worse.

i speak from personal experience, and like others here who've "matured" over the years, it's always painful to see others suffer so greatly when many, like me, escaped relatively unrep001hed and wizened up before similar consequences caught up.

According to the Indonesian language Bali Post, the dead New Zealander tried to redeem a drinks voucher. The barman told him that the voucher was time limited and no longer valid.

The New Zealander, who was drunk, got abusive, and threw a straw (that's right, a drinking straw) at the barman, who responded by picking up the heavy glass jar containing the other straws and hurling it at the New Zealand guy, hitting him in the temple.

The victim, who was obviously not reading the writing on the wall too well, staggered out of the bar (according to the Bali Post) and tried to get into what was described as a "dancing" room. He was refused entry on the grounds that it was full.

He got abusive with the doorman and there was a bit of push and shove, and then he was punched around the body by two bouncers, one of whom was described as a current Indonesian boxing champion.

The bouncers threw him out, and his girlfriend, also drunk, got him back to the hotel. She tried to get him an ambulance but decided that the cost quoted by BIMC (Rp3m) was too expensive. She was quoted as saying she fell asleep and when she woke up, he was dead.

The pathologist said the cause of death was a combination of brain bleeding and swelling (from the straw jar), and internal injuries to his heart and other organs which resulted from the beating he took from the bouncers.

The cops arrested the barman and the two bouncers.

This is what the Bali Post says, so I don't vouch for its authenticity.

A New Zealand friend of mine said that if the victim had behaved like that in his own country, he would have been dealt with in much the same manner, but that the ambulance would have been free.

Hi Mackay33,

You asked me where the quote I posted came from, it's here:

[url]http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=&nav=messages&webtag=ws-travel&tid=31200&redirCnt=1[/url]

I should indeed have included the source link. Whether or not asking for an amount of money most people don't carry readily in their pockets, to send an ambulance, while a loved one is bleeding to death, is extortion, remains a matter of taste. What then, walk to an ATM and pin three times first, before receiving emergency help? I'll agree though, the person who wrote the piece I quoted put it a bit strongly.

But still, consider the following:

Here you can see that Australia did donate a lot of money, and that Indonesian Red Cross says part of it was going to be spent on ambulances:

[url]http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/16/1052885399055.html[/url]

Now it looks like the donation money was not well spent. Where did it go? After all the bombs, and after receiving a lot of money from the country from which most tourists come, given with the aim of improving the medical emergency infrastructure, it appears: still no adequate emergency care?

Dare I quote again?:

"The Indonesian Red Cross argues that other charities already have immediate needs under control. It says the best way to spend the Australian donations is on ambulances, fighting TB and upgrading the Red Cross's blood bank."

Sorry if I appear a bit insistent, but as I said, two years ago I helplessly watched a tourist die in the streets of Kuta (it was a motorbike accident), while we waited for an ambulance (45 minutes, and taxi's would not take him, bleeding heavily). So this news brings back some unpleasant memories, I know how one feels in such a situation.

[QUOTE=Balifox]Hi Pete,

You mentioned you were 'going back home on Danau Poso'. I recently checked out a few places to stay along there, but ended up staying elsewhere. Recommend anywhere along Poso? Prices?

Cheers[/QUOTE]

Try the Senia Hotel especially if the budget is a bit tight. It has huge return business from mainly Australians.
Cheaper rate if you have a girl, but that is 2nd hand from a mate who stays there regularly. Forget the price.
Right in the middle of things, X House wise.

[QUOTE=Wanderinawe]Hi Mackay33,

You asked me where the quote I posted came from, it's here:

[url]http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=&nav=messages&webtag=ws-travel&tid=31200&redirCnt=1[/url]

I should indeed have included the source link. Whether or not asking for an amount of money most people don't carry readily in their pockets, to send an ambulance, while a loved one is bleeding to death, is extortion, remains a matter of taste. What then, walk to an ATM and pin three times first, before receiving emergency help? I'll agree though, the person who wrote the piece I quoted put it a bit strongly.

But still, consider the following:

Here you can see that Australia did donate a lot of money, and that Indonesian Red Cross says part of it was going to be spent on ambulances:

[url]http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/16/1052885399055.html[/url]

Now it looks like the donation money was not well spent. Where did it go? After all the bombs, and after receiving a lot of money from the country from which most tourists come, given with the aim of improving the medical emergency infrastructure, it appears: still no adequate emergency care?

Dare I quote again?:

"The Indonesian Red Cross argues that other charities already have immediate needs under control. It says the best way to spend the Australian donations is on ambulances, fighting TB and upgrading the Red Cross's blood bank."

Sorry if I appear a bit insistent, but as I said, two years ago I helplessly watched a tourist die in the streets of Kuta (it was a motorbike accident), while we waited for an ambulance (45 minutes, and taxi's would not take him, bleeding heavily). So this news brings back some unpleasant memories, I know how one feels in such a situation.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification Wanderineawe.

I concur wholeheartedly with all your other points; I was here in the wake of the 2005 bomb and watched in amazement as both the BTB and Bali government squandered, if not outright embezzled, the millions of dollars donated by the expat community, NGO's, foreign governments, and corporations that were donated for the island's promotion and infrastructure development.

Cheers.

I once Came upon a "just happened" motorbike accident, fairly late at night, in the bukit area.

Three people total (all local), one of whom was "spurting" blood out of his mouth as he struggled to breath. He had lots of other injuries.

There were already 20 locals on the scene, basically standing around. No one seemed inclined to do anything to help the victims.

A police car pulled up (accident very near police station), and "we" (bules) lugged the "spurter" into the back seat and it drove away.

The apathy of bystanders is common, and isn't only in situations involving bule victims.

Cheers Pete and Cooze, saw the Senia but no pool? and wanted somewhere a little quieter down there. Big sports place, the Senia. Normally stay on Tamblingan too, but just fancied being in the heart of it for a change and not having to bike it.

Name change coming, had a close call!

[QUOTE=Balifox]Cheers Pete and Cooze, saw the Senia but no pool? and wanted somewhere a little quieter down there. Big sports place, the Senia. Normally stay on Tamblingan too, but just fancied being in the heart of it for a change and not having to bike it.

Name change coming, had a close call![/QUOTE]Balifox.

Try Palm Garden Hotel on JL Kesuma Sari which is at end of JL Danau Poso and leads to beach. Real close to action maybe 75 metres from ON-ON. Girl friendly, good pool and quiet.

Good hunting

[QUOTE=Lama Di Bali]The bouncers threw him out, and his girlfriend, also drunk, got him back to the hotel. She tried to get him an ambulance but decided that the cost quoted by BIMC (Rp3m) was too expensive. She was quoted as saying she fell asleep and when she woke up, he was dead.[/QUOTE]It seems that life is cheap also in NZ, not only on Bali. The guy’s life was not worth 3 millions rps, according to his gf. That is perhaps the same amount they spent for drinks and amusements in one week. If she paid the ambulance, it is pretty sure that the guy would now be alive.

Nobody is free from blame in this sad story, but come on. How could you pretend to have free ambulance and everything in a country where you pay drinks, food and lodging a fraction of what you pay in your homeland, and one of the most corrupt and worst governed countries in the world? This is sad, but it is the reality.

[QUOTE=Balifox]Cheers Pete and Cooze, saw the Senia but no pool? and wanted somewhere a little quieter down there. Big sports place, the Senia. Normally stay on Tamblingan too, but just fancied being in the heart of it for a change and not having to bike it.

Name change coming, had a close call![/QUOTE]

Well try the Puri Ayu, Trophy or Agung and Sue's Watering Hole all at the bottom end of Jl Cemara. Very close to it all also. As is the Palm Garden as mentioned and also the one roughly opposite to the Palm Garden whose name escapes me.