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[QUOTE=Pistons;2276989]And being nice is something like aid then? Finally we can agree on something.[/QUOTE]When I pay for my medical visit, I do not have the mindset that I am providing aid to my doctor. When I pay for my dinner, I do not have the mindset that I am providing aid to the chef or the waiter. I am paying for services that the vendor provides. The WG is no different. There's a hint of socio-economic-ethnic prejudice to believe otherwise, not to mention sexism and arrogance.
[QUOTE=Piggsy;2277238]Thinking about spending my 60th birthday at a club in NRW.
Have done this once before. Went to LR kaast, great! Dolce vita? Nice but boring.
Was thinking GT Bruggen.
Any suggestions? Free birthday entrance of course. It's a long way from Australia.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]GT can be very crowded and wait for room can be long quite often especially during weekend, but also during week days also, but other than that, service is there to deliver with no upsell.
GT is big club during summer with outdoor area, but during winter, it is too cold to stay outside for long, so only place you can party is main bar, jacuzzi area and restaurant tent, so space wise it is bit limited during winter season, but if you are there just for sex in room and not to party then GT can be good club due to its fair pricing and good service.
Piggsy. Others may have better info than I, but repeating LR really is a good bet. GT is an hour's driving, sometimes crowded with men, and I am told the LU lacks the sparkle it used to have.
You should, wherever you go, get the same basic service, without being charged extra, as on your previous trip some years ago.
[QUOTE=Piggsy;2277238]Thinking about spending my 60th birthday at a club in NRW.
Have done this once before. Went to LR kaast, great! Dolce vita? Nice but boring.
Was thinking GT Bruggen.
Any suggestions? Free birthday entrance of course. It's a long way from Australia.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]It can get very crowded with little reprieve from the loud music but Samya honors free entrance the day before your birthday in addition to the day of.
GT would be more relaxing but Saturday nights could get too crowded.
Mondial, Babylon, and SixSense also honors the complimentary birthday entry.
[QUOTE=Takedown;2277307]The WG is no different. There's a hint of socio-economic-ethnic prejudice to believe otherwise, not to mention sexism and arrogance.[/QUOTE]LMFAO! Talk about reading in things that are not there. Tell us more about the "racism" and "sexism", or please don't. Twitter is already full of hysterical SJW: s if I actually was interested in hearing that sad song. LMFAO!
[QUOTE=Takedown;2277307]When I pay for my medical visit, I do not have the mindset that I am providing aid to my doctor. When I pay for my dinner, I do not have the mindset that I am providing aid to the chef or the waiter. I am paying for services that the vendor provides. The WG is no different. There's a hint of socio-economic-ethnic prejudice to believe otherwise, not to mention sexism and arrogance.[/QUOTE]1. Maybe in the case of the doctor, it should be a reversal. And by being nice the doctor should be the one providing the aid.
2. Maybe the chef should make meals en masse for lots of people, and instead of the waitress indirectly begging for tips, the visitors should get their food on their own.
3. Maybe the profession of the wg is there because we live in a monogamous society. Certainly in any polygamous societies, nobody would charge a penny for it, hence my aid reference. And also why I mention fool's gold and currencies sometimes here.
4. A socio-economic prejudice is a term derived from differences in the society. Differences in the society is based on selfishness. Selfishness in turn based on individualism. Individualism based on a monogamous persons drive to pass his own genes onwards instead of the pack's.
5. Ethnocentricm is derived from gene spreading around the world, and the idea that one is superior to someone else. Another term derived from monogamy.
6. Sexism? Well, in a polygamous society one of the main tendencies you find is the complete absense of are. Ape. Sexism is absolutely non existant. There have been not a single documented example of violence between a bonobo male and female.
7. Arrogance is a trait that society often values and rewards. For example in politics, sales and business. It is a rethorical tool. Still, it is probably also another derivative of monogamy.
So in all of this, context is key. From a monogamous standpoint of thought, you are right. But from a polygamous standpoint I am right. Then it is just about deciding which standpoint it correct. However it does fuck with the brain to think in such reversals, and especially since the society around us is so ingrained in monogamy.
To top it all of, FKK's are like a heaven for polygamy. And I really do doubt it is wrong when our biology pulls us there. If there were no inner drive, FKK's would not exist. LOL!
[QUOTE=MrHo;2277354]GT can be very crowded and wait for room can be long quite often especially during weekend, but also during week days also, but other than that, service is there to deliver with no upsell.
GT is big club during summer with outdoor area, but during winter, it is too cold to stay outside for long, so only place you can party is main bar, jacuzzi area and restaurant tent, so space wise it is bit limited during winter season, but if you are there just for sex in room and not to party then GT can be good club due to its fair pricing and good service.[/QUOTE]Will be midweek in early Oct. So I guess the weather will be a bit hit and miss. But yea. Quality of service is paramount. More so than quantity. And somewhere I can spend some time. Thinking of going to both GT and LR. But if enjoying myself. Happy to stay in one place.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2277412]Piggsy. Others may have better info than I, but repeating LR really is a good bet. GT is an hour's driving, sometimes crowded with men, and I am told the LU lacks the sparkle it used to have.
You should, wherever you go, get the same basic service, without being charged extra, as on your previous trip some years ago.[/QUOTE]Met a couple of cool guys there to have a drink and a chat.
Was thinking of starting in GT and if it wasn't working out move to LR.
At least get to see somewhere new.
[QUOTE=Takedown;2277430]It can get very crowded with little reprieve from the loud music but Samya honors free entrance the day before your birthday in addition to the day of.
GT would be more relaxing but Saturday nights could get too crowded.
Mondial, Babylon, and SixSense also honors the complimentary birthday entry.[/QUOTE]Since I'm traveling half way round the world. Like to make the most of it. Haven't been to Samya. But if the let me in for free. Definitely worth considering for a pre bday warmup!
Loud music. Sounds like a party!
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2277479]LMFAO! Talk about reading in things that are not there. Tell us more about the "racism" and "sexism", or please don't. Twitter is already full of hysterical SJW: s if I actually was interested in hearing that sad song. LMFAO![/QUOTE]In short:
"They language they're speaking is a language of subtlety. Apparently it's something you don't understand." -Lois Griffin.
Do you have a budget for P4 P? Or do you just let the chips fall? Is your budget stable or escalating (or decreasing). What is your yearly budget? Anyone care to share?
As usual, I have a difficult time connecting the dots in your logical train without having to make many assumptions while applying a large spoonful of cognitive dissonance. The first 2 points seem to be random thoughts so I'll leave you to it. The rest, in short, you claim that arrogance, prejudice, individualism, sexism, and ethnocentrism are due directly as a consequence of monogamy. I see no logical proof or even a logical roadmap to those claims. The claim that with polygamy, women would not charge? No. Attractive women will still prefer to sleep with attractive men, whatever attractive may mean. And the unattractive men will still pay to sleep with attractive women. It seems that you are implying that deprivation of sex leads to all vices. No. I am certainly more of a complicated organism than that. Having a month long mongering trip after which I no longer even desire sex, do I still have my feelings of arrogance, sexism, and prejudice? Admittingly so. We are more than our carnal desires for sex. Short of Mr Ho and PolyAm who also make many extreme unverifiable claims, I don't see anyone of logical mind who would share these extremist viewpoints.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2277554]1. Maybe in the case of the doctor, it should be a reversal. And by being nice the doctor should be the one providing the aid.
2. Maybe the chef should make meals en masse for lots of people, and instead of the waitress indirectly begging for tips, the visitors should get their food on their own.[/QUOTE]
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4. A socio-economic prejudice is a term derived from differences in the society. Differences in the society is based on selfishness. Selfishness in turn based on individualism. Individualism based on a monogamous persons drive to pass his own genes onwards instead of the pack's.
[/QUOTE]Jazakallah, Pistons. Monogamy encourages possessiveness and jealousy which is selfish. FKKs are supposed to be monogamy-free environments, but the influence of the surrounding monogamous culture can be crushing. I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2277717]Do you have a budget for P4 P? Or do you just let the chips fall? Is your budget stable or escalating (or decreasing). What is your yearly budget? Anyone care to share?[/QUOTE]I'm a fly in monger and don't have a hard budget but my yearly expenditure always comes out to around $25-30 K USD including travel and logistics. That's a respectable sum of money on this hobby but also a bit modest because that figure includes side excursions to non-mongering destinations. I'm pretty frugal with my accommodations and balance expensive Hessen days with cheaper days in clubs like Acapulco. I've never spent more than this on this hobby and foresee myself spending less as I find myself doing less and less girls every year because I spend more and more rooms with known commodities rather than trying as many girls as possible.
As for money directly spent in clubs, my average spend per day has reduced from 500 USD (plus or minus 100 USD) to around 350 USD (plus or minus 150 USD) for 40-50 club visits per year. I'm attempting to reduce my visits to around 35 days in 2019.
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2277740]Jazakallah, Pistons. Monogamy encourages possessiveness and jealousy which is selfish. FKKs are supposed to be monogamy-free environments, but the influence of the surrounding monogamous culture can be crushing. I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.[/QUOTE]I'm willing to bet that there is a strong and direct correlation between people who see the merits of monogamy and the ability to make strong emotional connections with others. I'm also willing to bet that the opposite is true.