Kyiv

[QUOTE=Johntodd; 1470299]Where is Ambrasura?

Does anyone know if there is a map of Kiev with addresses of Salons and Massage places?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Hi. The website of ambrasura.

[url]http://my-relax.net/salon/ambrazura/out_paid/[/url]

You have to call them and they give you address. They on top modals too if you serching in price of 800 grivnas. The plaice is in dead end road nearly zhitomiska staition, and picture of girls done in actually same building.

[QUOTE=Barba; 1469451]Starchild, you are wrong, and you know it. After all your posts in the SEA sections, you surprise me. I have no idea behind the real reason why you write like this, but it is far from a fair evaluation of these options. Maybe you had a stretch of bad luck in SEA, but to lay this out as general advice is very misleading. Mongering in SEA is at large like taking candy from kids. To claim anything else is nonsense.

Barba[/QUOTE]I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. My post was never wrote women but SCAMs. I'm Asian myself and I think I know my kind well. I was largely referring to the way tourist are treated in SEA compared to the dangers a newbie tourist could face in Ukraine.

Yes. It is easier to get laid in SEA but the traps are higher.

Just go here

[url]www.pattayaone.net[/url]

[url]http://farangdeath.tumblr.com/[/url]

The number of foreigners getting murdered, scammed in SEA is far far higher than Asians getting murdered in all of Europe. If Asians died the way Europeans tourists are getting killed in SEA. There would be call for UN intervention, special laws passed to protect Asian tourist in Europe, racism accusations and what not.

I have read all of general info and more than 200 pages of Kiev thread and just to compare it to Thai forum in ISG. Its a laugh.

Some guy said to me that due to racism in Ukraine its hard for Indians to get laid. After researching further, what Indians get in ukraine is far safer and less scammer than what they are getting in SEA.

Ok. If my post was misleading. I'm sorry for it. But. If that is the case. I humbly request all newbies to read past 100+ pages of Kiev and 100+ pages of Bangkok in ISG itself and reach your own conclusion on which place would be safer for you. Good luck

[QUOTE=Uoykucf;1470224]I had a 19 whyear old slim good-looking woman in my big luxury 3 bedroom apartment on Kreshatik for two hours for 500 UAH. Since she was 100% real GFE and did more than I expected, I gave her 800 UAH.[/QUOTE]Someone finding this kind of girl should be congratulated. Someone spoiling her with big overpayment in a high-lux apartment should be rebuked. Not only will she raise her price, but also tell her friends on the street, where she presumably works. Please stop this foolish generosity. There are plenty of other ways to tell her we like her. And actually, recent experience tell me that if I pay my girls less than they expected, they all the more cling to me, texting me and sending messages and emails asking to meet again and more often. So, the moral of the story is, no I've said enough) no offence, I hope. R. Buzz

[QUOTE=Uoykucf; 1470214]Took a taxi ride far away from the center on Saturday night looking for cheap young good-looking 400 UAH / hr pussies because some locals say it's too expensive in the center. 100 $/hr.

Saw some nice women dressed skantily in the dark of the night asking for 500 UAH but not 400, probably because of foreigner surcharge or the good-looking ones cost more. But they don't speak English.

If your car pulled close to the curb, they'd come over and you could get the taxi driver or your friend who speaks Russian to talk to them.

Cost of the taxi ride round trip was 100 UAH.[/QUOTE]Could you please give more details of this place street and time to find these girls? Thanks

[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1470707]Someone finding this kind of girl should be congratulated. Someone spoiling her with big overpayment in a high-lux apartment should be rebuked. Not only will she raise her price, but also tell her friends on the street, where she presumably works. Please stop this foolish generosity. There are plenty of other ways to tell her we like her. And actually, recent experience tell me that if I pay my girls less than they expected, they all the more cling to me, texting me and sending messages and emails asking to meet again and more often. So, the moral of the story is, no I've said enough) no offence, I hope. R. Buzz[/QUOTE]Exactly, it is because of people like him that the price are so higher now.

I had a fun time at Caribbean Club last night. Good show and the place was filled with older guys, some young hotties, and many milfs. What I did not understand was the fact most girls were obviously prostitutes but made no direct effort to solicit themselves. It was as if they were there to have fun and not look for customers. All the girls were very unguarded and open to talking to anybody. Anyone care to explain to me why no direct selling in there? Is this club code they are following or this is where these girls go to mostly have fun?

So it's 4:00 am and I decide to leave. I got really turned on because many of the girls were clearly drunk on the dance floor. Super hot early twenty something with really short skirt starts dancing with her panties completely exposed. Gave me quite the boner. As I walk out to the street, I saw to two milfs (both younger than thirty) from the dance floor walking towards the subway. I approached and told them I was scared to walk alone in there and they both took my hands and we walked together. I am not a fan of milfs but both girls towered over me in there heels and both were drunk and very feminine with girly voices. Yes they were prostitutes and the conversation quickly turned to if I we could all sleep together. Oddly, not for that night, they wanted to meet up another day. So here we are all by ourselves in a subway and my hormones just started raging as I started touching there asses. I don't know what got into to me but I pulled out 400 grivna and asked one of the girls if she would suck my dick. She dropped straight to her knees and grabbed my dick like she wanted it more than me. I grabbed the other one and played with her stomach and boobs while the other one was bobbing up and down on my dick. I blew my load into her mouth in about three minutes. Caribbean Club was good time.

[QUOTE=Starchild2012; 1470545]I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. My post was never wrote women but SCAMs. I'm Asian myself and I think I know my kind well. I was largely referring to the way tourist are treated in SEA compared to the dangers a newbie tourist could face in Ukraine.

Yes. It is easier to get laid in SEA but the traps are higher.

Just go here.

[url]www.pattayaone.net[/url]

[url]http://farangdeath.tumblr.com/[/url]

The number of foreigners getting murdered, scammed in SEA is far far higher than Asians getting murdered in all of Europe. If Asians died the way Europeans tourists are getting killed in SEA. There would be call for UN intervention, special laws passed to protect Asian tourist in Europe, racism accusations and what not.

I have read all of general info and more than 200 pages of Kiev thread and just to compare it to Thai forum in ISG. Its a laugh.

Some guy said to me that due to racism in Ukraine its hard for Indians to get laid. After researching further, what Indians get in ukraine is far safer and less scammer than what they are getting in SEA.

Ok. If my post was misleading. I'm sorry for it. But. If that is the case. I humbly request all newbies to read past 100+ pages of Kiev and 100+ pages of Bangkok in ISG itself and reach your own conclusion on which place would be safer for you. Good luck[/QUOTE]Guys, what he is trying to do is scare everybody from going to Thailand. He wants to keep all of the girls for himself. Truth be told there is enough girl for everybody and alot of the girls just want to be treated right, if you do right you will be rewarded.

Accidents do happen but life doesn't stop go guys go Thailand and enjoy life.

Be safe!

[QUOTE=El Cubanito;1471234]Guys, what he is trying to do is scare everybody from going to Thailand. He wants to keep all of the girls for himself. Truth be told there is enough girl for everybody and alot of the girls just want to be treated right, if you do right you will be rewarded.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1471215]I had a fun time at Caribbean Club last night. Good show and the place was filled with older guys, some young hotties, and many milfs. What I did not understand was the fact most girls were obviously prostitutes but made no direct effort to solicit themselves. It was as if they were there to have fun and not look for customers. All the girls were very unguarded and open to talking to anybody. Anyone care to explain to me why no direct selling in there? Is this club code they are following or this is where these girls go to mostly have fun?

So it's 4:00 am and I decide to leave. I got really turned on because many of the girls were clearly drunk on the dance floor. Super hot early twenty something with really short skirt starts dancing with her panties completely exposed. Gave me quite the boner. As I walk out to the street, I saw to two milfs (both younger than thirty) from the dance floor walking towards the subway. I approached and told them I was scared to walk alone in there and they both took my hands and we walked together. I am not a fan of milfs but both girls towered over me in there heels and both were drunk and very feminine with girly voices. Yes they were prostitutes and the conversation quickly turned to if I we could all sleep together. Oddly, not for that night, they wanted to meet up another day. So here we are all by ourselves in a subway and my hormones just started raging as I started touching there asses. I don't know what got into to me but I pulled out 400 grivna and asked one of the girls if she would suck my dick. She dropped straight to her knees and grabbed my dick like she wanted it more than me. I grabbed the other one and played with her stomach and boobs while the other one was bobbing up and down on my dick. I blew my load into her mouth in about three minutes. Caribbean Club was good time.[/QUOTE]This was a nice report, is this first time you see this type of action at Caribbean Club / other Kiev clubs? I will travel there soon, and this look like a nice place to start.

Best regards,

Owarunner

[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1471215]I had a fun time at Caribbean Club last night. Good show and the place was filled with older guys, some young hotties, and many milfs. What I did not understand was the fact most girls were obviously prostitutes but made no direct effort to solicit themselves. It was as if they were there to have fun and not look for customers. All the girls were very unguarded and open to talking to anybody. Anyone care to explain to me why no direct selling in there? Is this club code they are following or this is where these girls go to mostly have fun?

So it's 4:00 am and I decide to leave. I got really turned on because many of the girls were clearly drunk on the dance floor. Super hot early twenty something with really short skirt starts dancing with her panties completely exposed. Gave me quite the boner. As I walk out to the street, I saw to two milfs (both younger than thirty) from the dance floor walking towards the subway. I approached and told them I was scared to walk alone in there and they both took my hands and we walked together. I am not a fan of milfs but both girls towered over me in there heels and both were drunk and very feminine with girly voices. Yes they were prostitutes and the conversation quickly turned to if I we could all sleep together. Oddly, not for that night, they wanted to meet up another day. So here we are all by ourselves in a subway and my hormones just started raging as I started touching there asses. I don't know what got into to me but I pulled out 400 grivna and asked one of the girls if she would suck my dick. She dropped straight to her knees and grabbed my dick like she wanted it more than me. I grabbed the other one and played with her stomach and boobs while the other one was bobbing up and down on my dick. I blew my load into her mouth in about three minutes. Caribbean Club was good time.[/QUOTE]Interesting report.

Tell us more about Caribbean. What day did you go there? Weekend?

Can you sit at a table free of charge? At VodkaBar they asked me for thousens of grivna.

Is smoking allowed inside?

Did the girls you meet speak english? How much did they charge for sex?

Whoever answer the phone (067-500-2070) speak English?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sersem2007; 1470428]Hi. The website of ambrasura.

[url]http://my-relax.net/salon/ambrazura/out_paid/[/url]

You have to call them and they give you address. They on top modals too if you serching in price of 800 grivnas. The plaice is in dead end road nearly zhitomiska staition, and picture of girls done in actually same building.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Soren60; 1471588]Interesting report.

Tell us more about Caribbean. What day did you go there? Weekend?

Can you sit at a table free of charge? At VodkaBar they asked me for thousens of grivna.

Is smoking allowed inside?

Did the girls you meet speak english? How much did they charge for sex?[/QUOTE]The thing about Caribbean that I liked was the sense that girls went there to "qualify" a guy and possibly see him later for a "gift". No glam models, but a lot of attractive next door girls. I went on Wednesday and did not inquire about tables. Bar stools were available for anybody that just wanted to sit. I think they banned smoking in clubs over a year ago in Kiev. Very disappointing, I enjoyed the smoke filled rooms a year and a half ago. Seems every girl that wants to survive in Kiev knows basic English. I never made a direct inquiry to sex in the bar. However, when I walked into the subway and the girls asked me if we could all sleep together, I said "sure" and "how much". I was quoted $100 a girl. Reasonable price, but one had a see section scar and the other had a weird belly fat. I would probably not be interested unless I was drunk.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1467664]One of the first things that struck me in Kiev was the face of disappointment on the young slick twenty somethings freshly arrived from Western Europe. They were worthless to the local girls because most young attractive guys don't monger and the girls all know it. Most young guys looking to party are better off staying home where they stand a true chance of finding somebody interested in them even for just one night stand. Kiev girls think of their pussy as a profit center and have no interest giving it away to some weekend yahoo. What a great feeling it was to get more looks than the young guy!

I had this preconceived notion that Ukraine would be like Riga twelve years. FUCK NO! Completely different dynamics at play.[/QUOTE]Not trying to be a dick, and I certainly agree that there are many golddiggers in Kiev.

However, I would definitely also say that in a capital such as Kiev, everyone can find what they are looking for. Whatever it may be.

Although the setting can be worse or better depending on the circumstances.

If you want to go out and meet "normal" girls, it is not an excuse to fail doing so, just to be aware of the fact that many are working girls.

And sure, paying helps a lot, but if a young guy also wants to pay, it would probably be to his advantage, or not of any importance (it can not be negative anyway) that he looks nice.

I am 31 by the way, and just reflecting on this. I am going to Kiev for both meeting working girls and just socialize with normal girls.

I met some girls on mamba that have no intention on working as any escorts. So, I would not be worried to go to Kiev either way, whatever you may want to find.

[QUOTE=El Cubanito;1471234]Guys, what he is trying to do is scare everybody from going to Thailand. He wants to keep all of the girls for himself. Truth be told there is enough girl for everybody and alot of the girls just want to be treated right, if you do right you will be rewarded.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. That's hilarious.

Dude. Why don't you please first read my post before making assumptions.

Here from my original post

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1465386&viewfull=1#post1465386[/url]

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I found after reading so many post. Compare to South East Asia. For mongers. Ukraine, Russia, EE seems to be a tough environment for that soft touch and love. Its more business like with less emotions compared to the post one reads in Thailand thread. Where its more personal and emotions involved. Even though I read very very less scams compared to Thailand where one gets pushed and ends up dead in the end.

I'm not comparing this with how many women you can have and costs.

I feel even though SEA may be far easier to get laid with more options and sheer number of women due to population. Ukraine seems more honest with less scams.

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Now. Where did I mention that you can't get laid in Thailand infact I said you can more in Thailand. Again. I only compared with the CRIME in Thailand against tourist than Ukraine.

Now, even If I go with your assumption. On the face of it. Its impossible for a single person to corner all the girls in Thailand.

Also,

I got to be the biggest retard on the planet to think. If I post in Ukraine thread. People will not go to Thailand anymore and I can get all the women. If that was my motive. I should have posted this in German FKK forum, UK forum, where the traffic is more and more tourist go from those countries.

If I had some motive. Why in the world would I write something like that in Ukraine forum, which is not even thatpopular in view count and not in other threads like FKK forum which has far higher view count and. Check my old posts. I have not spammed any threads what so ever for tourist to not come to Thailand.

If what you say is right about my post. Show me the proof on what basis you can write that. When I have not written anywhere in ISG for members to not go to Thailand. And why would I choose Ukraine thread out of 100 other threads that are more popular. So logic would dictate that. For my mission to be successful. I should post in other threads as well. Which I have not done and also. I have 900+ posts. Why now. Why not earlier and risk my membership by writing disinfo.

THINK. Why would someone do it in a Kiev thread if what you wrote was my motive. And not in FKK forum or UK, Canada thread from where most tourist go to Thailand.

I had an epiphany that universe called on me and said. If you want all the girls in Thailand. All you go to do is write a post in Kiev thread and all will be yours. And I did not question the ridiculousness of it as I was a retard to follow the universe and post it. And the irony is. I'm still at home. Writing useless replies as I'm yet to get laid to a Thai women.

Its sad the world we live in. If someone tries make a point. Its all looked with suspicion with some hidden motive. Yet its hilarious to think. If one writes in Kiev thread, he can have all Thai women in the world. Hahaha. El Cubanito I will let you know. When I will have all the Thai girls to myself. Just wait for a while.

Have you been to Ukraine? To Kiev? No? To Thailand?

If the answer is no why are you venturing any sort of opinion on it at all?

[QUOTE=Starchild2012; 1472241]Hahaha.

Dude making assumptions.

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I found after reading so many post. Compare to South East Asia. For mongers. Ukraine, Russia, EE seems to be a tough environment for that soft touch and love. Its more business like with less emotions compared to the post one reads in Thailand thread. Where its more personal and emotions involved. Even though I read very very less scams compared to Thailand where one gets pushed and ends up dead in the end.[/QUOTE]