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[QUOTE=Chivaz]Yupi, Amsterdam is a great city, but do not go there for the sex shows. They are utterly boring, the only fun I have had at an Amsterdam sex show was to get pissed drunk in Casa Rosso. The show sucked, but the I was having fun beeing obnoxiously drunk (which is a rare thing for me, hence all the fun). The city is great though IMHO.

If you guys are doing this trip to explore the different levels of P4P, from sex shows to real GFE, then of course you are going through the whole quality spectrum. For me it is a waste of time as I have not found anything that is better than the FKKs, but then I have already taken the journy through the trash as well, and looking back there was of course some fun in that to, so maybe you should just go with your own instincts. WTF, why not even drop by a sex kino in Berlin and have a sleezy encounter there :-)

Chivaz[/QUOTE]Dear Chivaz,

Hello. I am the friend of Yupi whom will be together during our exciting visit. I want to ask you a question about an FKK ambience. Does generally the cinemas in FKKs are used. If we want to, can we have the session in the cinema instead of the room. Or are the cinemas only the starting places of the action. You told that if we are lucky we can watch a threesome in the cinema. Is it the session or just the beginning?

Thank you.

Allow me to preface the eventual response by Chivaz with this:

As far as FKK kinos go: These can be full action places. By far the best FKK kinos rooms I've been too are: Palace and Oase. Both kinos are places to retreat to if you want to both watch and participate in foreplay, before going to the room. I like Palace Kino alot for looking and participating. You can just lie there and let the girls come to you and start fondling you and trying to turn you on. Just know that if you allow the foreplay to get as far as bbbj, then you are more or less session-committed.

Alternatively, you can actually have a full session in the kino. Both Oase and Palace, esp. on busy weekend/Messe-zeit nights, have alot of full sessions going on in their respective kino rooms.

The kino is one of the most under-rated erotic elements of the overall FKK-experience, in my opinion...

I've seen and experienced some really "geil" times in these rooms...

Ortos

Hi Geehut,

When you enter the kino at Oase, especially during friday or saturday night, I would say you have about 75% change of seeing some good action. What kind of action? Here is a good example: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=258288&postcount=242[/url]

(note that later I found out they were actually not sisters, but still did look a lot like each other)

Chivaz

For 5 years I was spoiled as a military contractor stationed occasionally at Rhein Main base, as I had easy access to the Palace and Oase. On my next trip in February/March, they are sending me to Heidelberg and Kaiserslautern. I must admit to not having paid any attention to things south of Frankfurt.

Are there any equivalent FKK experiences? Do I need to drive all the way back up to Frankfurt? Any help appreciated!!

Mark User

Well, there are a few places that are ok. One that is outstanding is Colosseum in Augsburg. It compares to Oase and FKKW, and is a lot like the old Atlantis.

euro

The Augsberg I found on the map doesn't look very close to Heidelberg. I might as well drive up to Palace. As I said, I don't know the "whole country" geography very well, so I appreciate the suggestion. It just doesn't look that close.

Mark,

There is a basic concept that you are perhaps overlooking, namely: There must be dozens of other guys who used to be in the Rhein-Main area but are now re-posted to Heidelberg. For sure, when you arrive at your new posting, you will meet lots of other guys who have already done the research and will be able to point you in the right direction. I actually know one guy, who was at the Ray Barracks area for about a year and half, during which time he was a frequent visitor to World and Oase and Palace. About 3 or 4 months ago, he was posted down to where you are going. He has found good alternatives accessible from Heidelberg and so will you. (Btw, if you want to contact him in advance, PM me and I will give you the correct contact info, as I know he often helps other "lost soul refugees from FFM..."

List of German FKK Clubs by Area
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Here is a complete up to date list of FKK clubs, with a working homepage. If you find any faults, please correct me if something wrong is.


Northern Germany(Hamburg)
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FKK-Bergedorf, Hamburg-Bergedorf
Brookkehre 3,21029 Bergedorf
Entry : 40 €, Happy Hour=25 € on Wed 15-20,Fri 18-22,Sat13-01
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Open:Mon-Sun 13-01
[url]http://www.fkk-bergedorf.de/[/url]

Club Atmos, Hamburg-Harburg
Gross Mooring 1, 21079 Hamburg
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 30 €
Open:Mon-Sun 13-04
[url]http://www.atmos-saunaclub.de/[/url]

FKK 125, Hamburg-Poppenbuttel
Saseler Chaussee 125, 22393 Hamburg
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Open:Mon-Sun 12-01
[url]http://www.fkk-125-hh.de/[/url]

Lower Saxony
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FKK Villa, Hannover
Am Tonnesberg 1, 30453 Hannover
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: Anal 50 €
Open:11-03 Every day
[url]http://www.fkk-villa.de[/url]

FKK-Zeus, Osnabrück
Otto Lillienstrasse 3, 49134 Wallenhorst
Entry : 30 €
30 min: 70 €
60 min: 120 €
90 min: 170 €
Extras: 50 € FT
Open:10-24, When party: 10-02
[url]http://www.fkk-zeus.de/[/url]



Eastern Germany(Brandenburg & Saxony)
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La Folie, Berlin
Kaiser-Friedrich-Strasse 63, 10627 Berlin
Entry: 13 €, incl. 1 Drink
30 min: 70 €
60 min: 140 €
Getränke: Beer 3 €, Wodka-Lemon 5 €, Piccolo 17 €
Extras: Party costs 80 €
[url]http://www.la-folie.de[/url]

FKK-Artemis, Berlin
Halenseestraße 32-36, 10711 BERLIN
Entry : 70€
30 min: 60 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: 50 € FT, 100 € Anal
Open : 11-5
[url]http://www.fkk-artemis.de[/url]

FKK & Saunaclub Europa, Leipzig
Essener Str. 27a, 04129 Leipzig
Entry : 40 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
[url]http://www.fkk-europa.de/[/url]


Western Germay(North Rhein-Westphalia & Saarland)
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Haus 408, Gütersloh
Verler Straße 408,33334 Gütersloh
Entry : 10 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 € incl. FT
Getränke: 0 € Non-Alk
Extras: Red Carpet club ??
Open:Mo-Do 11-01,Fri 11-05,Sat 15-05,Sun 15-01
[url]http://www.haus-408.de[/url]

Park Schloss Dali, Bredeler
Madfelder Strasse 2, 34431 Marsberg
Entry : 60 €
30 min: 35 €
60 min: 70 €
Extras: Sleep over for 75 €
Open:14- ??
[url]http://www.parkschlossdali.de/[/url]

Blue Note, Düsseldorf
Rather Broich 9, 40472 Düsseldorf
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 30 €
60 min: 60 €
Extras: 30 € FT
Open: Mon-Thu 11-01, Fri-Sat 11-02, Sun 11-24
[url]http://www.saunabluenote.de/[/url]

Dolce Vita, Düsseldorf
Briedestrasse 44 40599 Düsseldorf-Reisholz
Entry : 0 € (25 € If you don´t go with a girl)
20 min: 70 €
40 min: 95 €
60 min: 120 €
Extras: Happy Hour 11-14 50 € for 20 min
[url]http://www.fkkdolcevita.de[/url]

FKK Tropicana, Dusseldorf/Erkrath-Unterfeldhaus
H. Hertzstrasse 24a, 40699 Erkrath
Entry : 25 € (Only if you don`t go with a girl)
20 min: 65 €
40 min: 99 €
60 min: 129€
Open:Mon-Fri 10-01, Sat-Sun 10-03
[url]http://www.saunaclub-tropicana.de/[/url]

Parksauna Wildenrath
Heinsberger Strasse 35, 41844 Wildenrath/Wegberg
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 25 €
60 min: 50 €
Extras: 25 € FO & 25 € FT
Open:Mo-Sa 10-04, Su 17-02
[url]http://www.parksauna-wildenrath.de[/url]

Golden Time, Brüggen
Heidweg 1 41379 Bruggen
Entry : 50€
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 25 € FT, 50 € Anal
Open: Mon-Sat 11-01 Sun 15-01
[url]http://www.goldentime.de[/url]

Fkk Cocoon
Mollenkotten 243,42279 Wuppertal
Entry : 50 €
20 min: 25 €
40 min: 50 €
Extras: 10 € FO, 25 € FT
Open: Mon-Fri 10-03, Sat-Sun 12-03
[url]http://www.fkk-cocoon.de/[/url]

FKK-Club Aplerbeck
Aplerbecker Bahnhofstrasse 5, 44287 Dort***d/Aplerbeck
Entry : 35€
20 min: 25€
40 min: ?
Open : 10-24
[url]http://www.fkk-aplerbeck.de[/url]

FKK La Bouche
Parkstrasse 16, 44532 Lünen
Entry: ??
30 min: ??
60 min: ??
Open:sun-thu 12-01,Fri-sat 12-04
[url]http://www.fkk-la-bouche.de[/url]

FKK Amnesia
Westring 233A,44579 Castrop-Rauxel
Entry: 50 €
30 min: ?
60 min: ?
Open: 10-03, sat-sun 12-03
[url]http://www.fkk-amnesia.de/[/url]

FKK-Club Arabella
Lohrheidestrasse 63 44866 Bochum-Wattenscheid
Entry : 35 €
20 min: 25 €
40 min: 40 €
Extras:+20 €
Open: 10-24
[url]http://www.fkk-arabella.de/[/url]

Fkk Club Paradiso, Bochum-Hamme
Freudenbergstrasse 39, 44809 Bochum-Hamme
Entry: 30 €
30 min:25 €
60 min: ?
Open: Mon-Sat 10-24
[url]http://www.freude39.de[/url]

Fkk Heavensgate, Dorsten
Swebenring 36, 46286 Dorsten
Entry: 35 €
20 min: 25 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 10 € FO, 25 € FT
Open:10-04
[url]http://www.fkk-heavensgate.de/[/url]

Planet Happy Garden (PHG), Oedt
Butzenstrasse 41 ,47918 Tonisvort
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 25 €
60 min: 50 €
Extras: 25 € FO, 25 € CIM, 50 € Anal
Open:11-01, Sun 13-01
[url]http://www.planet-happy-garden.info[/url]

FKK Club Babylon, Elsdorf
Oststrasse 12,50189 Elsdorf
Tel 02274-905588
Hours Mon - Sat 12-23
Fri 12-1 Closed Sundays
Entry :30€
30 min: 80 € 1. Nummer 2. Nummer 65 €
60 min: 145 €
Extras: FT inclusive wenn das Mädel es im Programm hat
[url]http://www.babylon-wiago.de/[/url]

Fkk Pascha, Koln
Hornstr. 2, 50823 Köln
Entry:100 € (inclunding 30 min action)
30 min: 0 €
60 min: ? €
24 hour open
[url]http://www.pascha-fkk.de/[/url]

Sudbad, Köln
Mathias Bruggen Strasse 12, 50827 Koln(Bickendorf)
Eintritt: 50 €
30 Min: 50 €
60 Min: 100 €
Open:13- ?
[url]http://www.sudbad.de/[/url]

Samya, Köln-Rodenkirchen
Kirschbaumweg 26 a, 50996 Köln-Rodenkirchen
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 25 € FT
[url]http://www.samya.de/[/url]

Wiago, Leverkusen
Julius-Doms-Strasse 12,51373 Leverkusen
Entry : 40 €
20 min: 45 €
40 min: 90 €
Open : Mo-Sa 16-03
[url]Http://www.babylon-wiago.de[/url]

FkK-Burg, Bonn
Im Burgacker 45,53123 Bonn-Duisdorf
Eintritt: 30 €
20 min: 40 €
40 min: 80 €
60 min: 120€
Extras: 30 €
Open: ?
[url]http://www.fkk-burg.de/[/url]

Bernds Sauna Club, Hennef-Lichtenberg
Schieferhof 28, 53773 Hennef-Lichtenberg
Eintritt: 70 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Open:Mon-Thu 13-24, Fri 13-01
[url]http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de/[/url]

FKK Calygula, Hennef-Michelshohn
Gut Michelshorn, 53773 Hennef/Sieg
Entry : 25 €
30 min: 75 €
60 min: 140€
[url]http://www.fkk-club-calygula.de/[/url]

FKK 214, Saarbrücken
Luisenthaler Strasse 214, 66155 Saarbrücken-Burbach
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100€
Extras: FO 25€
Open:Mon-Fri 11-02, Sat-Son 18-01
[url]http://www.fkk-saarbruecken.com/[/url]

Hessen Area
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FKK World, Pohlheim
Grüninger Weg, 35415 Pohlheim-Garbenteich
Entry : 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras:FT 50 €
Open:Sun-Thu 10-04 Fri-sat 10-05
[url]http://www.fkk-world.de/[/url]

Sauna-World, Görgeshausen
Brunnenstr. 15, 56412 Görgeshausen
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
Open: 11-04
[url]http://www.sauna-world.info/cms/index.php[/url]

Fkk Palace, Frankfurt-Hausen
Königsbergerstr. 23, 60487 Frankfurt / M - Hausen (City)
Eintritt: 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €;
Open: 10-04
[url]http://www.fkk-palace.de/[/url]

Fkk Malibu, Nidderau-Heldenbergen
Siemensstraße 36, 61130 Nidderau-Heldenbergen
Entry : 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €Extras: FT 50 €, Tuesday:Dessous-night
Open: 10-04
[url]http://www.fkk-malibu.de/[/url]

Fkk-Oase, Burgholzhausen
Ober-Erhlenbacher Strasse 109, 61381 Friedrichdorf-Burgholzhausen
Entry : 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €; AV 100€
[url]http://www.fkk-oase.de/[/url]

Dietzenbach "DerALDI"
Voltastrasse 4,63128 Dietzenbach
Entry : 10 € (+30 €if you don't go with a girl)
30 Min: 50 €
60 Min: ?
Extras: Anal und FT 50 €
Open: 11-24
[url]http://www.fkk-40.de/index2.html[/url]

FKK Atlantik - Hanau
Oderstrasse 10, Industriegebiet Nord, 63452 Hanau
Entry : 55 €
30 min : 50 €
60 min : 100 €
Extras : FT 50 €, VIP Card 5*Entry = 220 €
Open:Sun-Thu 10-03, Fri-Sat 10-05
[url]http://www.atlantik-fkk.de[/url]


Souther Germany(Bayern & Baden-Wurtemberg)
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FKK Stuttgart, Stuttgart
Marienstrasse 38b, 70178 Stuttgart
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 55 €
60 min: 110 €
Extras: 25 € FT, 25 € Anal
[url]http://www.fkk-stuttgart.de/[/url]


FKK-Haus, Fellbach near Stuttgart
Schaflandstrasse 11/1 (2.OG), 70736 Fellbach
Entry: 50 €
30 min: 55 €
60 min: 110 €
Extras: 25 € FT, 50 € Anal
Open:Sun-Thu 11-02 Fri-Sat 11-04
[url]http://www.fkk-haus.com/[/url]

Flamingo Island, Karlsruhe-Ettlingen
Ferdinand Porsche Stasse 6, 76275 Ettlingen (Near Karlsruhe)
Entry : 55 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Getränke: 0 € Non-Alk
Extras: FT 50 €, Bathrobe 5 €
Open: Sun-Thu 11-02, Fri-Sat 11-03
[url]http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/[/url]

FKK-Point, Bruchsal
Industriestrasse 22, 76646 Bruchsal
Eintritt: 35 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: Sunday:Strapstag
Open: ?
[url]http://www.fkk-point-bruchsal.de[/url]

FKK-Paradies Pascha, Villingen-Schwenningen
In Dickenhart 8,78054 Vs-Schwennigen
Eintritt: 50 €
30 min: 60 €
60 min: 120 €
90 min: 180 €
Open: 12-05
[url]http://www.fkk-pascha.com/[/url]


FKK Sudfaß OaseS, München-Pasing
Peter-Anders-Strasse 4, München-Pasing 81245
Entry: 55 €
30 min: 75 €
60 min: 125 €
Extras: 75 € (FO, Anal)
Open:11-04
[url]http://www.fkkmuenchen.de[/url]

Fkk Colosseum, Augsburg
Gubener Straße 13,86156 Augsburg
Eintritt: 60 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
Open:Sun-Fri 14-01, Mon-Sat 14-03
[url]http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/[/url]

Privater Tempel FKK der Lust
Gattingerstraße 2,97076 Würzburg
Entry : ? €
30 min: ? €
60 min: ? €
Open: ?
[url]http://www.fkk-tempel.com/[/url]

Fkk Sylt, Nürnberg
Lichtenfelser Strasse 2, 98427 Nürnberg
Entry: 60 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
Extras: FT 50 €
Open:12-04
[url]http://www.fkk-sylt.de/[/url]

Out west there are the Saar clubs in Neunkirchen and Saarbrücken (30 mins from KL). South of Heidelberg there is Karlsruhe/Ettlingen for Flamingo Island. There's even a small FKK at Bruchsal (never tried). Not much further for World II, which I believe is near Pforzheim, and there's FKK Haus at Fellbach, nr. Stuttgart, which has many fans.

Having said that, I would still go to Frankfurt, which is just a quick burst up the A63 (from KL) or the A5 from Heidelberg. You can get very good sessions at the smaller clubs of course, but for sheer variety and quality eye-candy there's no alternative to the big three in Ffm.

[url]http://www.erosplanet.com/[/url] gives shortcuts to around a dozen FKKs (including a few major ones). Can save time if you want to check events, current opening hours etc quickly. Note - Pure Platinum is not an FKK

By the way - it includes the relatively new Atlantik in Hanau, which I plan to visit this weekend.

A discussion that I was part of, broke out today on the biggest Australian based internet sex guide. It was about German FKK's and more specifically the subject was the girls being involved in people smuggling raquets.

Further investigation on the internet (I googled 'people trafficking fkk') revealed an article on the major FKK's being connected with Eastern European mafia smuggling girls into the EU for a stiff fee and the thread of severe punishment to themselves and their familes back home if they reneg.

Is this a load of lies or what??

I have always wanted to monger in an FKK, believing that German immigration efficiency kept this sort of thing away with heavy policing and was hoping to soon make a trip to Germany for that reason but after reading this stuff I'm starting to have second thoughts - as I don't want to be indirectly supporting that sort of stuff.

Please forgive me if this has been covered before but perhaps an update would be nice as these things change quickly. I remember reading posts here that their was an immigration bust with alot of Romanian girls sent home last month - so perhaps authorities are on top of it if this is true.

What's the REAL story from people in the know - fact or fiction?

[QUOTE=Shiatsu]By the way - it includes the relatively new Atlantik in Hanau, which I plan to visit this weekend.[/QUOTE]

Shiatsu,

This is the former Club Cherie, a long-time institution in Hanau. Obviously, they have tried to rename themselves as close to Atlantis as they were able to get. I am curious to get your report on how it is there now.

euro

Kapalika,

Ive been Mongering for nearly 20 years and 500 women or so. I have been on several FKK trips and I dont think any of those women are trafficed.

I say this because I have come across women that I am sure were being forced into it, a few times in the last few years.

The worst case was in Tallin,Estonia in 2000. I went to this supposed Brothel in the day time, and they didnt actually have any women there, but the barman made a call and 10 minutes later a van pulled up outside. 2 thugs led about 6 women inside the club, and straight away I could tell that these girls didn't want to be there. They were all very runned down and tired looking, and all had dark rings under their eyes.

I took one girl anyway, and as soon as we got to the room she started crying. She had almost no english, but told me that she was from the far side of Russia and that she didnt want to be in Tallin. I got coffee sent to the room and we just sat and drank coffee, and smoked ciggies for the hour. Ya abit of charity from old Freddy here.

I got the impression she was a trafficed girl, but I have not come accross similar girls in the FKK clubs, but of course you can never be totally sure.

Ps Maybe she was a local girl that figured I was soft, and if she cried she wouldnt have to have sex with me. You can never be 100% sure of anything when with a hooker. Mind you, most hookers have been good to me over the years.

Kapalika

In FKKs there are I think there are (almost) no women who are trafficked against their will - there is no need since there is a constant supply of volunteer labour. However there are some who are there because they are desperate for money and are very reluctant to be in the business.

More common is the worker who chooses to come to Germany to make money but in order to do so has to go through someone who they then owe considerable amounts of money for arrangements. Sometimes these costs can be paid easily by the worker but sometimes not. For obvious reasons these workers tend to come from outside the EU. There is even a sort of going rate for the arrrangement fee - and the workers accept this. They only get unhappy when they get a greedy or nasty agent

Also very common is the totally independent worker who is there out of choice and owe no "agent" anything. These tend to be workers who are resident in the pre-Accession EU states.

Of all sorts it is true that most have a specific purpose in working - to get a certain amount of money for a particular purpose. Of course it doesn't always turn out like this but that is the intention

You will find it hard to get the girls to talk to you about this. I am writing what I have learnt from girls I have paid to go with over some considerable time. So far as the girls are concerned you could be a police informer, or a blabbermouth - there is no benefit to the workers in talking about this

FKKs are definitely better than most places. I think the risk of meeting a girl trafficked against her will is very very low.

As this forum is public and read by workers and clubs I have been circumspect. Sometimes what you read in the papers is not all made up

This is a complex subject - philosophers have spent eternity trying to define free will - and in FKKs as in the rest of life, it comes in shades of grey. When I buy food in a supermarket I never know how many workers have been exploited or poisoned on my behalf. At least in an FKK you are in direct contact with the worker so you stand some chance of making an assessment of what to do

[QUOTE=Shiatsu]However there are some who are there because they are desperate for money and are very reluctant to be in the business.[/QUOTE]What percentage are you talking about?