Sao Paulo Reports

I never thought I would hear the day that London was a better place to hobby than Brazil! I know London very well and when you do the sums I guess there isn't that much difference if you are comparing mid to high level Sampa club versus an Escort or Private in London.

It is not that the prices in Brazil in the local currency are so high, it is just that the exchange is very overvalued compared to just about every other country. If I lived back in Europe back I probably would not go to Brazil. There are excellent places in Europe at about the same price or even cheaper than Brazil. Add in the cost of travel and it is getting very hard to justify a trip to Brazil.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1146560]I never thought I would hear the day that London was a better place to hobby than Brazil! I know London very well and when you do the sums I guess there isn't that much difference if you are comparing mid to high level Sampa club versus an Escort or Private in London.

It is not that the prices in Brazil in the local currency are so high, it is just that the exchange is very overvalued compared to just about every other country. If I lived back in Europe back I probably would not go to Brazil. There are excellent places in Europe at about the same price or even cheaper than Brazil. Add in the cost of travel and it is getting very hard to justify a trip to Brazil. [/QUOTE]FKKs. Particularly Samya (cologne) , Golden Time (duss) , Ying / Yang (duss / netherlands) , and Living Room (duss).

Come on guys! Do you really think the options are better in Europe than in Sao Paulo if you are looking for Brazilian girls?

I just returned from a few days in Barcelona which is also flowing over with Brasileiras traveling to Europe during the Brazilian winter / European summer to make money. However I do not think it is possible to compare the quality of the Brasileiras in the city to a city in Brazil.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1146644]Come on guys! Do you really think the options are better in Europe than in Sao Paulo if you are looking for Brazilian girls?

I just returned from a few days in Barcelona which is also flowing over with Brasileiras traveling to Europe during the Brazilian winter / European summer to make money. However I do not think it is possible to compare the quality of the Brasileiras in the city to a city in Brazil.

GK[/QUOTE]I believe what most of us are trying to imply, without being able to accurately express our feelings is that:

' Brazil no longer gets you the most bang for your buck'

Hi all,

I'll be in Sao paolo, in the short term and would like a good hotel, where I could receive a visitor and not have to go down to reception to get her into the elevator. Any names?

Cheers

Tiradentes,

"Best bang for the buck"? I really don't like that expression because it implies that it is only the bang itself which is of value and that the woman providing this service is of no value at all. In that case there are women who will bang you for a bowl of rice in the most desperate corners of the world and Brazil has never been the best bang for the buck.

I like to beleive that some kind of attraction to the woman, either physical or psycological, needs to be present for a bang to be of any value at all and that value is a measure of the attraction + her sexual skills. At least this is the case for me and if it is not for you guys I don't understand how your mind works.

Since what attracts us to a woman is highly individual, the real "best bang for the buck" will also be highly individual. So the expression "best bang for the buck" used in a general term gives no meaning to me. To me Brazil will always be paradise and where I find the best experiences. That is because I love the looks, the culture, the passion, the temperament and sexuality og the Brazilian women. They are without pier. To me. If the chance to experiance that will cost me a little more. So be it.

What worries me is that many of the Brazilian gems have started to travel to Europe during the Brazilian offseason and have that wonderful attitude destroyed by being part of the more hardcore European scene. Secondly it seems that the officials in SP have decided that in this specific city they have to remove the market.

GK

[QUOTE=Hobbying;1146295]you can find a super hot girl for that will do anal and cim swallow and multiple pops which I never found once in all my years mongering in Brazil. So now I much prefer coming to London to find a garota than in Brazil LOL.[/QUOTE]Dude! Most guys who go to Brazil get these things in the first week they are there!

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1146165]So for my last night in SP, I read up on options and looked over the suggestions here and in PM (thanks guys!).

Walked down the hill towards Kilt. Long walk. Tried to find Maison on the way but didn't remember the street number. Definitely seedier down around Kilt. The hotel I stayed at in 2005. Grand Hotel Ca D'Oro. Is like right down there somewhere but I didn't see it (maybe it's gone?). The restaurant Planeta that I ate at with a Brazilian porn star on that trip is still there. I think that was the 20 mins we left the room LOL.

Anyway, rock up towards Kilt and see My Love across the street. Figure, hey why not. Turns out entrada is R$10-15 or something or so at least on Friday but it counts to a drink. Grab a water and sit. Decent lighting inside, reasonably nice place. They have a row of like 6 little booth / cabines (with curtains) in the back that apparently you can rent (R$75?) and bang in LOL. Pretty dead inside at 10. 30 or so. 5 girls. Brushed off one and just sort of hung out. Around 11pm a bigger blond chick with a HUGE Asian dragon tattooed on her back comes to talk to me. I'm like, OK, I'll chat. About 10 mins in, she asks for a drink Turns out she wants a Smirnoff Ice which runs R$35. Ack. I'm like, fine. We talk for another 20 mins and she's pretty cool and reasonably OK looking. Naty (natch-ee) is her name. We start negotiating and she gives me the run down. Can suck deep, hates anal, wants R$250 for an hour. I'm like, what about all night. 2 times at night and once in the AM. She's like R$500. I'm like, haha no. So she drops it to R$400. I push her on her BJ skills and she says "You don't want me to suck you without a condom, right?" I'm like. Huh? Of course I do. Lecture her about how every girl I know in Rio and the 2 I had last 2 nights in SP all do this. She relents. I tell her I have to go check out Kilt but might come back. Total cost is R$50 between my entrance, her drink and a $5 commission (to her) they tack on to her drink.

Head back across to My Love. Get nailed for another entrada. Also have to wait for the Viagra to kick in, so find Naty, tell her to get dressed, and we hang out there for 20-30 mins. She has another Smirnoff Ice. There are probably 20 girls here now and some are pretty cute. Cost to head out is R$70 made up of R$50 for her exit fee, her drink and my entrada. Not quite sure how that all added up but it did.

Long fucking cab ride back to the hotel, length of R. Augusta. Packed with seedier looking folks now at 12-12. 30 and horrible slow traffic. Back at the hotel, she has a cigarette on the deck, asks for the minibar (I demur) , showers up and the fun begins. She was pretty pretty good. Best part was during my second O that night, she's blowing me and she says "Cum in my mouth." I'm like, wait weren't you the chick who wanted to blow me with a condom LMAO. But you don't have to ask me twice. Woke her up at 8am by poking her in the back and she got to business again like a good sport. Handed her R$400 after she got dressed,"like we agreed." She says, o, I need cab money too. I'm like, hey you didn't say anything about that. She pouts. I agree SP sucks for getting around and give her R$20. Pissed me off though. I never give cab fare to Rio chicks except Carlas models or if it's agreed up front. Weak.

Total cost of My Love: R$50 + R$70 +$400 + R$20, plus the 2 cab rides (R$30 each way). I think that's R$540 plus R$60, or R$600. Last night at MC, back in Rio, I spent R$470 I think for 1 hour in a cabine and some drinks. It was a night without my free entrada, though. And I hung out in the boate for like 2. 5 hours just chilling and watching chicks in bikinis shake their booties. And honestly, I enjoyed the MC experience better. I think Cartman likes to chillax in a robe in a terma, hassle free. Plus the investment is time to get the T chicks (T-girls has wrong connotations lols) to come over to my apt. For R$200.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]Enjoyed your report.

Interesting that you paid twice in one night an entrada at My Love. I have never paid an entrada at My Love, and I have been there many times.

Also, I have never paid more than 200R for an all-nighter with a garota from My Love or any of the othe boates for that matter.

Too bad you didn't get a second look at Casarao after say 1130PM.

I will be back in Sao Paulo in a few weeks and was wondering if anyone here had visited Scandallo Lounge? I looked at their web-site: seems a bit out of the way, but it looked interesting based on the site. Also, while Bon Vivant had closed last November, a few friends I knew from that club told me it would be reopening in early 2011. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

Thanks all. Appreciate any feedback and advice!

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1146644]Come on guys! Do you really think the options are better in Europe than in Sao Paulo if you are looking for Brazilian girls?

I just returned from a few days in Barcelona which is also flowing over with Brasileiras traveling to Europe during the Brazilian winter / European summer to make money. However I do not think it is possible to compare the quality of the Brasileiras in the city to a city in Brazil.

GK[/QUOTE]Well, the high end places in Europe (e.g. FKKs, Madrid's Flowers Park) are cheaper than São Paulo's high end places (Cafe Photo, Bomboa.) Beyond that, São Paulo has the cost advantage.

What about the service advantage? Elements of GFE like BBBJ and DFK are standard in the FKKs,"ask and ye shall receive" in Spain's clubs (i.e. I've never been refused), and they seem to require tough negotiations in São Paulo at least where I've been.

Of course, São Paulo has the advantage in selection of Brasileiras, at least until word gets out among them about how much they can make in Europe. :D

[QUOTE=Gfe Finder;1147225]Of course, SP has the advantage in selection of Brasileiras, at least until word gets out among them about how much they can make in Europe. :D[/QUOTE]Well, the question was if there are better options in Europe than in SP if you are looking for a Brazilian girl. In any Brazilian city you will bascily find only Brazilian garotas working in the clubs and by that there are so many more options than in whatever European city you might choose that there is no competition.

Concerning your comment about GFE inside FKK, I would like to add my opinion that to go to an institution and bring a woman to a room for 1 hour to bang her never will be a GFE whatever services she might provide. A GFE in my book requires something which seem more naturally like a time spent with a gf.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan;1147235]Well, the question was if there are better options in Europe than in SP if you are looking for a Brazilian girl. In any Brazilian city you will bascily find only Brazilian garotas working in the clubs and by that there are so many more options than in whatever European city you might choose that there is no competition.[/QUOTE]

Easy, GK. I was agreeing with you there. :) I'm just trying to provide some objectivity to the discussion. "Better" is a vague term. "Better selection," "better service levels," "better price" are all more specific and lend themselves more easily to discussion & comparison.

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan;1147235]Concerning your comment about GFE inside FKK, I would like to add my opinion that to go to an institution and bring a woman to a room for 1 hour to bang her never will be a GFE whatever services she might provide. A GFE in my book requires something which seem more naturally like a time spent with a gf.

GK[/QUOTE]

Here I must respectfully disagree, though. Since, beyond a few acronyms, the definition of GFE varies highly from monger to monger (even between you and me apparently) I'm not sure it's productive to publicly continue discussion on this topic.

Does anyone here know if the Brazilian porn star Julia Paes is available anymore?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3iBHmUf7c&feature=related[/url]

BTW, she was my number 2 choice from this night at WE back in 2007. The morena with a green top an the angelic face:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3008-2007-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=593190&viewfull=1#post593190[/url]

After this I have also arranged a session with her from one of the high end madames, but on that occation some language problems lead to her leaving my hotel room just after she had arrived because she misunderstood me somehow.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan;1147270]Does anyone here know if the Brazilian porn star Julia Paes is available anymore? ...[/QUOTE]It's amusing with the resemblance between the porno star Júlia Paes and the actress Juliana Paes.

Her real name is Michelle Alves. She probbably took the artist name Julia Paes because of her resemblance to Juliana.

The second time I met her was very strange. I had set up an appoinment for her to arrive at my hotel around 14:00. It was arranged through a middleman, so I could not call her. When the time passed 18:30, I gave up on her and went down to the hotel restaurant for dinner. When the food arrived at my table, the receptionist showed Julia to my table. Julia asked for the menu and ordered without asking me after introductions. I managed to suppress my anger for her lateness and we had a nice time during dinner. After the meal we took the elevator back to my room. Inside the room I asked her if she wanted something to drink. She wanted some of the whisky and red bull I had. I asked her if she remembered that we had talked before at WE and she answered that she didn't and that she had been to WE only once on a special night where Washington had invited several models and actresses to fill the house with "famosas". I was curious why she was so late, so I asked her and also asked her if I could have her phone number. She didn't understand this. I then asked her which high end madame my midleman had arranged her from. She did not understand this question either. Then she asked me something I understood as a permission to smoke. I answered yes. Then she grabbed her bag and her jacket and left the room. At first I thought she wanted to go outside to smoke, but she didn't return. I went down to the reception and the receptionist told me she had just walked out, jumped into a taxi and taken off. In my room her whisky and red bull was still untouched.

I never figured out what happened on that occation.

GK