Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2729496]Then what the hell are they waiting for? 6 months in and as it stands now they've lost in the range of 40 to 75 K personnel, 1,768 of those silly jack in the box death trap tanks, 4,014 armored combat vehicles, 936 artillery systems, 223 aircraft, 117 air defense systems, 2,914 vehicles and tankers, 15 ships, etc. Etc. And all for marginal gains and two humiliating tuck tail and run defeats at Ukraine's two largest cities. Throw in the heavy economic sanctions, the many grieving Russian families of the war dead who are scared to speak out, the fact that win, lose or draw Russia is a pariah for generations, and thus far it's a lousy return on the investment, to say the least. Better shit or get off the pot. That or start to take negotiations seriously. Ukraine can field an army in the one million range and support from the West shows little signs of waning.

Puts can start by dropping the "de-Nazification" hogwash, while those on the extreme right represent only 2% of the voting population of Ukraine and have won no seats in parliament. And no the Jewish president, son of Holocaust survivors isn't a Nazi plant. LOL In case no one has noticed the Ruskies have a penchant for silly conspiracy theories just like the MAGAs, and the stance is always that of victimization while acting as the aggressor. That better explains Trump's role as Russo suck up while some of his followers have taken the same cue, shameful and unAmerican.[/QUOTE]Pauline talk about lying. Where in the Hell is Ukraine, going to get 1 million man army. (That is trained, under 50 and sorry females do not count. You are completely delusional) You really no nothing about Ukraine. Stop watching CNN and all the other fake news. This is the words negotiations have come out of your month. Both parties should be negotiating, including your hero Pres. Z. The head clown in charge.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2729503]Based on that criteria you'll be posting here every day, several times a day as the supply of lies, half-truths, and logical fallacies is boundless. Best policy is to not login to the site if you have more important and productive things to do.[/QUOTE]LOL, you've got a point.

But Travv's posted a direct and vicious falsehood, not their typical half-truths or logical fallacies. That he's now trying to say, oh no, it wasn't me, just some nutso blogger, makes it even more pathetic, IMHO.

Gonzalo Lira gave the number of Russian troops assigned to the invasion. You gave the total number of Russian troops available. Many of the Russian troops are posted on the Chinese or other borders and are not available for use in Ukraine since they are protecting distant regions. I googled and found this number of troops from a neutral website link posted below which roughly agrees with the number of Russian troops that Gonzalo Lira said were being used. Since Ukraine doesn't have to defend its border with Poland, it has freed up Ukie troops but still has not stopped Russia from taking the Donbass region. Seems to me Gonzalo Lira is correct!

Also, why are you still posting here? Shouldn't you be at the Ukrainian Embassy as was suggested a few days ago, taking the Ukie military oath for the International Legion and preparing to take your place in the trenches on the Eastern Front near the Donbass?

I suspect the biggest battle will be to get the chickenhawks, keyboard commandos and call of duty Rambos from their mommies basement and get them enlisted in the Ukie Legion! The Ukies should be able to draft a brigade of chickenhawks off of ISG posters that drool for war but refuse to leave their Xbox game consoles and head out to the Ukrainian trenches where they demand the rest of us be sent! LOL.

How many troops has Russia sent into invasion of Ukraine?

Estimates of the total number of Russian forces involved in the invasion of Ukraine vary but around 150,000 troops are thought to be deployed in total.

[URL]https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/24/latest_news/1645729870_894320.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2729446]I've almost quit arguing about politics in this and the other forums, but this lie is so dumb and outrageous--how can I just let it go?

February 2022, before the Russian invasion. Source: Global Firepower.

[URL]https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=ukraine&country2=russia[/URL]

Russia; Ukraine.

Active Personnel: 850,000; 200,000.

Paramilitary: 250,000; 50,000.

Tanks: 12,420; 2,596.

Armored Vehicles: 30,122; 12,303.

Total Aircraft: 4,945; 387.

Total Helicopters: 2,087; 146.

Naval Fleet: 605; 38.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Travv;2730160]


How many troops has Russia sent into invasion of Ukraine?

Estimates of the total number of Russian forces involved in the invasion of Ukraine vary but around 150,000 troops are thought to be deployed in total.

[URL]https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/24/latest_news/1645729870_894320.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm not arguing with you that the main 2 reasons Russians fucked up so spectacularly are their eternal arrogance and sheer incompetence. That wouldn't be the first time in their history, of course. They decided to show up, rain fire on Ukrainian cities, kill a few hundred civilians, and wait till Ukrainians drop their drawers and bow down to the boss.

That doesn't matter though. Even if your sources are correct, and even if we assume that the ENTIRE Ukrainian army from the get go was fighting the advancing Russian troops along the 700-mile front line (a laughably impossible assumption, because the attack took AFU by surprise) -- even then your and your boy Gonzalo's "3 to 1" formula flies out of the window.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

[QUOTE=Travv;2730160]Gonzalo Lira gave the number of Russian troops assigned to the invasion. You gave the total number of Russian troops available. Many of the Russian troops are posted on the Chinese or other borders and are not available for use in Ukraine since they are protecting distant regions. I googled and found this number of troops from a neutral website link posted below which roughly agrees with the number of Russian troops that Gonzalo Lira said were being used. Since Ukraine doesn't have to defend its border with Poland, it has freed up Ukie troops but still has not stopped Russia from taking the Donbass region. Seems to me Gonzalo Lira is correct!

Also, why are you still posting here? Shouldn't you be at the Ukrainian Embassy as was suggested a few days ago, taking the Ukie military oath for the International Legion and preparing to take your place in the trenches on the Eastern Front near the Donbass?

I suspect the biggest battle will be to get the chickenhawks, keyboard commandos and call of duty Rambos from their mommies basement and get them enlisted in the Ukie Legion! The Ukies should be able to draft a brigade of chickenhawks off of ISG posters that drool for war but refuse to leave their Xbox game consoles and head out to the Ukrainian trenches where they demand the rest of us be sent! LOL.

How many troops has Russia sent into invasion of Ukraine?

Estimates of the total number of Russian forces involved in the invasion of Ukraine vary but around 150,000 troops are thought to be deployed in total.

[URL]https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/24/latest_news/1645729870_894320.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Your quoting an article from 26 February 2022 ?

A good Guess about how many troops / Meccernaries Russia have in Ukraine would be +300.000 that's been or are involved, this counts all troops, including 200 & 300 Status.

Then people talk about the Global Firepower rankings.

[URL]https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=ukraine&country2=russia[/URL]

I always been saying this is BS.

One thing is to count how many Tanks Russia have, when knowing little bit about russia and there way to operate then you need count how many tanks are infact WORKING.

If Russia was so strong as soem people still think, then Ukrain would be fighting inside Kyiv already, also the Air defence is still working in Ukraine inclduign planes.

I myself personally seen 4 Newly made Landingsstrips for fighting planes, seen more then 20 planes parked at these (different planes, tail tag).

To think the Russians are winning is based on what proff?

Last month they gained 0. 02% of land compared the month before.

Before suggesting me to join the Foreign legion, then let me come before you there.

I'm workign with The foreign legion but as Support staff, on the eve of 23 Feb., I prepared the Bagpack and the weapons we had in house and was ready to drive.

On the 24 aot of us who was ready as foreigners was asked to wait and bette make noise and get support down.

My Team (4 guys) managed to get more then 75 highly trained European soldiers down and equip them and they was send into battle and helped liberate Irpin / Bucha area.

No dead ones yet of these, but some with injuries.

All the ones I spoken with, everyone of them says that the Russians using old tactics at best or else just running without any tactics and they where unprepared and poorly trained.

Newsweek.

. . In just the last few days, the narrative has palpably shifted. First, Thomas Friedman of the New York Times sent up a trial balloon, a clear signal straight from one of the White House's most dependable stenographers:

Dear reader: The Ukraine war is not over. And privately, USA Officials are a lot more concerned about Ukraine's leadership than they are letting on. There is deep mistrust between the White House and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky—considerably more than has been reported.

What are those limits regarding Ukraine? Well, for starters, Zelensky rules much like his adversary, the universally denounced Putin, does. Zelensky shut down all opposition media in Ukraine, then banned opposition political parties. He declared that Russia would have to kill every single citizen of Kyiv to get to him, but also found time to pose for a melodramatic Annie Leibovitz portrait spread for American fashion magazine Vogue. Zelensky also fired the Ukrainian equivalent of the USA Attorney General and the head of the CIA, on the very same day, perhaps during breaks from his grandiose photo shoot.

Like Friedman, CBS News apparently got the memo to start tarnishing Zelensky's halo. That network explored the folly of sending a mountain of USA Taxpayer money into one of the most corrupt countries on Earth, though later deleted its tweet on the topic. CBS admitted that vast amounts of American largesse has been pilfered, conceding that "much of the billions of dollars of military aid that the USA Is sending to Ukraine doesn't make it to the front lines. " CBS also quoted an on-the-ground operative who disclosed the reality of America's generosity: "like 30 percent of it reaches its final destination. ".

So, American taxpayers borrow tens of billions of dollars their country does not have, to send fortunes to the unaccountable leader of a corrupt country, all to escalate a war in which America has no vital national interest. Oh, and during a recession with runaway inflation at home. Gotcha. That reality would be damning enough, but Zelensky just upped the ante, making American escalation even more wrongheaded. . . . Zelensky has now put out feelers to the USA's primary adversary, China, promising a "bridge to Europe".

Putin is a thug and Zelensky is a corrupt autocrat. Their battle involves no vital USA National interest. Biden's intervention harms America and worsens the plight of the Ukrainian people, who have become pawns in a battle of Black Sea oligarchs. America should insist on dialogue, negotiation, and de-escalation. If the parties refuse, then it's time for an American approach of realism and restraint, because this is simply not our fight, and Zelensky sure as hell is not our fighter. Steve Cortez.

Comment: The sane solution here is for the USA to remain neutral like Switzerland and sell arms and supplies to both sides for cash. However, this option will not occur since "much of the billions of dollars of. . . Aid that the US is sending to Ukraine" is skimmed and sold, presumably by the Ukrainian mafia with kickbacks to "The Big Guy" and other politicians. Those who are chickenhawks here should stop trying to get others to fight for them (Hawk for war) and stop being Chickens themselves and enlist in the Ukie Legion! Practice what you preach! It's a rich politicians'$ war and a poor man's fight. If this is what you want, enlist in the Ukie Legion and leave the rest of us out of it!

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-narrative-shifting-opinion-1731875[/URL]

[QUOTE=Travv;2730443]Newsweek.

. . In just the last few days, the narrative has palpably shifted. First, Thomas Friedman of the New York Times sent up a trial balloon, a clear signal straight from one of the White House's most dependable stenographers:

Dear reader: The Ukraine war is not over. And privately, USA Officials are a lot more concerned about Ukraine's leadership than they are letting on. There is deep mistrust between the White House and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyconsiderably more than has been reported.

What are those limits regarding Ukraine? Well, for starters, Zelensky rules much like his adversary, the universally denounced Putin, does. Zelensky shut down all opposition media in Ukraine, then banned opposition political parties. He declared that Russia would have to kill every single citizen of Kyiv to get to him, but also found time to pose for a melodramatic Annie Leibovitz portrait spread for American fashion magazine Vogue. Zelensky also fired the Ukrainian equivalent of the USA Attorney General and the head of the CIA, on the very same day, perhaps during breaks from his grandiose photo shoot.

Like Friedman, CBS News apparently got the memo to start tarnishing Zelensky's halo. That network explored the folly of sending a mountain of USA Taxpayer money into one of the most corrupt countries on Earth, though later deleted its tweet on the topic. CBS admitted that vast amounts of American largesse has been pilfered, conceding that "much of the billions of dollars of military aid that the USA Is sending to Ukraine doesn't make it to the front lines. " CBS also quoted an on-the-ground operative who disclosed the reality of America's generosity: "like 30 percent of it reaches its final destination. ".

So, American taxpayers borrow tens of billions of dollars their country does not have, to send fortunes to the unaccountable leader of a corrupt country, all to escalate a war in which America has no vital national interest. Oh, and during a recession with runaway inflation at home. Gotcha. That reality would be damning enough, but Zelensky just upped the ante, making American escalation even more wrongheaded. . . . Zelensky has now put out feelers to the USA's primary adversary, China, promising a "bridge to Europe".

Putin is a thug and Zelensky is a corrupt autocrat. Their battle involves no vital USA National interest. Biden's intervention harms America and worsens the plight of the Ukrainian people, who have become pawns in a battle of Black Sea oligarchs. America should insist on dialogue, negotiation, and de-escalation. If the parties refuse, then it's time for an American approach of realism and restraint, because this is simply not our fight, and Zelensky sure as hell is not our fighter. Steve Cortez.

Comment: The sane solution here is for the USA to remain neutral like Switzerland and sell arms and supplies to both sides for cash. However, this option will not occur since "much of the billions of dollars of. . . Aid that the US is sending to Ukraine" is skimmed and sold, presumably by the Ukrainian mafia with kickbacks to "The Big Guy" and other politicians. Those who are chickenhawks here should stop trying to get others to fight for them (Hawk for war) and stop being Chickens themselves and enlist in the Ukie Legion! Practice what you preach! It's a rich politicians'$ war and a poor man's fight. If this is what you want, enlist in the Ukie Legion and leave the rest of us out of it!

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-narrative-shifting-opinion-1731875[/URL][/QUOTE]Linking to an article that's an Opinion Article what's your point with that?

You complain that Zelinsky uses his power to fires people he want to change in the Government.

Thats fully inside the scope of the democratic way to rule.

Zelinsky been replacing alot of people lately, and In my opinion its because there is now a need for different people.

Same as a Company, when you start Person X is probbaly a Good CEO, but after 5 years he is maybe a Bad CEO because the company is somewhere else then 5 years ago.

You write it like 70% of the help is stolen, which is untrue, alot of the promised help are not arrived yet, and some of it is comming slower then promised.

To Call Zelinsky a Autocrat show you don't know what an Autocrat is.

There is No proff of larger scale stealing of the Weapons help, yes there been some stealing and its beeing delt with.

There also been private people who collected money and used them for own gains, this also beeing delt with.

Zelinsky also not banned all opposition political parties, the Rada banned all Communist / Russian Parties until the war is over.

There is still many Opposition parties operating today, including big one with members in Rada (Poroschenko etc).

Most of what you write is plain old BS, you not even know what a Presidenst job is, you complain that he istrying to get attentions of the media, which is how you infact make sure Ukrain is not forgotten.

I like that you want the the USA should insist in dialogue.

You remember Russia said they would NOT invade?

How do you have a positive dialogue with a asshole who one days says one thing and the next day do the opposite of that?

[QUOTE=Hestendk;2730668]How do you have a positive dialogue with a asshole who one days says one thing and the next day do the opposite of that?[/QUOTE]That is the very problem here, arguing with idiots like you. The role of a President differs from country to country. Some have executive power, others do not. Zelensky has not only banned most opposition parties but locked up their leaders. You hold up Poroshenko as some kind of good guy, the guy who banned Russian and helped kick start this whole mess. I am waiting on a woman to drop round to suck my cock. Much better than reading your nonsense or of anyone else who thinks that the leader of a country should wave his cock around in public.

[QUOTE=Hestendk;2730668]Linking to an article that's an Opinion Article what's your point with that?

You complain that Zelinsky uses his power to fires people he want to change in the Government.

Thats fully inside the scope of the democratic way to rule.

Zelinsky been replacing alot of people lately, and In my opinion its because there is now a need for different people.

Same as a Company, when you start Person X is probbaly a Good CEO, but after 5 years he is maybe a Bad CEO because the company is somewhere else then 5 years ago.

You write it like 70% of the help is stolen, which is untrue, alot of the promised help are not arrived yet, and some of it is comming slower then promised.

To Call Zelinsky a Autocrat show you don't know what an Autocrat is.[/QUOTE]This is not a good thing for Ukraine. If you are having to change personnel this late in the game it just means big trouble. I am sure reality is starting to sink in for Pres. Z. Ukraine is in a no win situation, it will only get worse.

"Refusing to follow several western nations to impose damaging costs on Russia for its unwarranted invasion of a sovereign Ukraine, the right wing president Jair Bolsonaro criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky saying that Brazil would "adopt a neutral stance on Ukraine" and will not impose sanctions on Russia.

Speaking at a news conference while on vacation on Sunday, January 27, Bolsonaro said Ukrainians had "trusted a comedian with the fate of a nation" — referring to Zelensky's former career as an actor and comedian. . . ".

That's some stupid shxt right there! What could possibly go wrong with putting a comedian in charge of negotiation with the Russians? Maybe a giant Russian shxthammer down on the entire country when the Russians realized he was a *******? Z to Ukrainians: You fxcked up! You trusted us with the fate of your nation!

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2730677]That is the very problem here, arguing with idiots like you. The role of a President differs from country to country. Some have executive power, others do not. Zelensky has not only banned most opposition parties but locked up their leaders. You hold up Poroshenko as some kind of good guy, the guy who banned Russian and helped kick start this whole mess. I am waiting on a woman to drop round to suck my cock. Much better than reading your nonsense or of anyone else who thinks that the leader of a country should wave his cock around in public.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2730677]That is the very problem here, arguing with idiots like you. The role of a President differs from country to country. Some have executive power, others do not. Zelensky has not only banned most opposition parties but locked up their leaders. You hold up Poroshenko as some kind of good guy, the guy who banned Russian and helped kick start this whole mess. I am waiting on a woman to drop round to suck my cock. Much better than reading your nonsense or of anyone else who thinks that the leader of a country should wave his cock around in public.[/QUOTE]So who did zelinsky lock up after the war broke out?

To say he banned most oppositions parties is an lie if you don't know that then please read up on it.

The only person who started this Mess is Putin.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2730765]This is not a good thing for Ukraine. If you are having to change personnel this late in the game it just means big trouble. I am sure reality is starting to sink in for Pres. Z. Ukraine is in a no win situation, it will only get worse.[/QUOTE]I don't know if you been in ukraine after 24 February?

And I don't know where you get your info from.

But yes we can agree that its in general is bad to changes these position these times, but if it needs then it need be done.

To say Ukrain is in a No Win situation Could you please explain why you think this?

Because the Repports I'm getting from the front says different.

And last month Russia managed to take 0. 02% land compared to the month before, and this month they lost more then gained.

[QUOTE=Travv;2730820]"Refusing to follow several western nations to impose damaging costs on Russia for its unwarranted invasion of a sovereign Ukraine, the right wing president Jair Bolsonaro criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky saying that Brazil would "adopt a neutral stance on Ukraine" and will not impose sanctions on Russia.

Speaking at a news conference while on vacation on Sunday, January 27, Bolsonaro said Ukrainians had "trusted a comedian with the fate of a nation" referring to Zelensky's former career as an actor and comedian. . . ".

That's some stupid shxt right there! What could possibly go wrong with putting a comedian in charge of negotiation with the Russians? Maybe a giant Russian shxthammer down on the entire country when the Russians realized he was a *******? Z to Ukrainians: You fxcked up! You trusted us with the fate of your nation![/QUOTE]Zelinsky was not my favorit in the last election.

But I can say he probably been the president that done most good fro Ukraine the last 12 years if not more.

Many people starts their carrers one place and end up another.

Yes he Is an comedian, but he was also a pretty big business owner succesfully, which I think is a good thing as a politican person.

I have when Politic people only have worked in that field and never had their hand dirty in the real life.

In my opinion I see Zelinsky use a lot of advisors that have better knowledge then him on certain points and listen to those, excatly as most western leaders to (whaterver its business or politics).

So to continue with this that he was A comedian, seriously? Grow up.

And what so. Richard Branson, Abraham Lincoln they also dropped out of school but see where that landed them.

[QUOTE=Hestendk;2731207]So who did zelinsky lock up after the war broke out?

To say he banned most oppositions parties is an lie if you don't know that then please read up on it.

The only person who started this Mess is Putin.[/QUOTE]Viktor Medvedchuk is a prisoner of CockMan Zelensky.

Here is a a link to parties Cock Man has banned. Stick to rimming hairy Ukrainian asses.

This "Mess" began when you Nazis started your Maidan crimes. Hopefully, you will all meet the same end Bandera met.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2731212]Viktor Medvedchuk is a prisoner of CockMan Zelensky.

Here is a a link to parties Cock Man has banned. Stick to rimming hairy Ukrainian asses.

This "Mess" began when you Nazis started your Maidan crimes. Hopefully, you will all meet the same end Bandera met.[/QUOTE]The mess started When Putin came to power.

Have you ever been to Ukraine?

I not meet any Nazi here, but I meet plenty in russia.

Viktor was first Jailed but in his house, for a major involment in coruption and also helping the occupied areas to sell coal diverteed back to Ukrain.

Then 2-3 days before the 24 February he escaped from the House (his own big manson).

Noone knew where he was, but some months after he was arrested trying to get to cross the border and in an Ukrain Uniform.

So yes Ukrain jailed him, but there are valid reasons behind it, and Viktor had a big play in the 24 February playbook.

So maybe you should try and read up on the things and not just make your own story.

Is clear that your Anti Western, sp maybe you should just go live in Chine / Russia.