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[QUOTE=Pistons;2200130]Clubs like Oceans, Acapulco and even Samya has a younger average age than Oase has at times. Or they are about at the same level age wise. YY and DV has about the same age at Oase too. Maybe plus one year.
While some of the mentioned 'service clubs' in NRW has a higher average age. Plus GT which is neighter service nor young optics.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I am sure we have totally confused Krosshair :)
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2200135]While I love my home country, tipping is definitely an area where I think the practice in the US is degenerative.
First, the employers in some industries don't pay the true market rate to their employees. Then somehow it evolved into "you should tip because that's how they get paid, you cheapo". [/QUOTE]Totally agree. It is sick to pay a waiter 2, 3 or 4 $ per hour and tell the guest to make up for the difference to minimum wage by tipping. I'the rather see the all in price on a menu including all taxes and service as I do in most European countries. Then I can decide to tip in a 5-10% range. Without having to.
Girls in clubs get a tip of 10€ in a 30 min session or maybe 20€ in a 60 min session if service was extraordinary and no extras taken or upsold.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2200136]Sorry for my mistake, never heard before about FKK Venus. Where is Hamminkeln?[/QUOTE]Close to the Dutch border: [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/VsxQRq1DDS12[/URL].
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2200136]Sorry for my mistake, never heard before about FKK Venus. Where is Hamminkeln?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.facebook.com/pg/SaunaClubHamminkeln/photos/?ref=page_internal[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2199967]My advice: best casting days at Bab Elsdorf are Thursday and Friday.
Best casting day at GT Bruggen is Friday.
Saturday is good for Samya after 6 pm, or Aca.
Oase casting is average for me.
For black girls, few at Bab and used to have some at PHG.[/QUOTE]Hey,
Thanks for this advice!
Babylon seems to be a bit different in that they go for whatever wherever however and I also heard it's much older clientele. But I'd like to mix up the FKK experience a bit. How is the lineup at Babylon?
Where is the best place on a Sunday?
And which FKK has the outdoor pool? I lost track of it. Thank you again.
[QUOTE=Ggeorge6;2200622]Hey,
Thanks for this advice!
Babylon seems to be a bit different in that they go for whatever wherever however and I also heard it's much older clientele. But I'd like to mix up the FKK experience a bit. How is the lineup at Babylon?
Where is the best place on a Sunday?
And which FKK has the outdoor pool? I lost track of it. Thank you again.[/QUOTE]On Sunday, I would advice GT or Sharks. After GT, you can move to LR for only 35 € more, for midnight pizza, asking on GT desk a discount ticket for LR, when you leave.
For outdoor swimming pool, YY NL, or PHG with black girls, or Bab Elsdorf, or Dolce Vita, or Sharks, or Oase, or World, or Finca, or Mainhattan.
For woman types, GT or YY. Same for highest average level in bed.
For fresh beauties, Samya or Aca.
FKK land is still a enjoyable playfield, BBBJ is still quite standard, 1 year after the end of FKK world. Girls and pimps will always need our money.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2200135]When tipping is mandatory and has to be given regardless of service level and customer happiness about service, tipping has lost its meaning.[/QUOTE]FKK customers who declare they want to pay "50 EUR for 30 minute room" are forced to pay regardless of service level. This was not always the case. You hear examples of WGs deliberately sabotaging the session and cutting time at 15 minutes. Rather than punishing the WG or mongers collectively labeling the WG as a bad apple, many ISGers demonize their fellow mongers as "cheapos". Or sympathize with the WG, "Its inflation. Rates haven't gone up in 15 years". But I'd just like to point out that the rate card still officially says "30 minutes".
The other new norm is customers are forced to commit to minimum 100 EUR /60 min with WGs they are sessioning for the first time. What happened to trial run first 20 minutes, then let the customer decide if he wishes to extend beyond 30 minutes?
Both seem like a degenerative processes to me.
[QUOTE=RogueNation;2200290]I'the rather see the all in price on a menu including all taxes and service as I do in most European countries. Then I can decide to tip in a 5-10% range. Without having to.[/QUOTE]I also like the system where I can see the price breakdown. And prefer seeing the real price on the menu with taxes included for each item.
[QUOTE=RogueNation;2200290]Totally agree. It is sick to pay a waiter 2, 3 or 4 $ per hour and tell the guest to make up for the difference to minimum wage by tipping.[/QUOTE]The argument in favor of the the tipping system goes something like this: If they were to eliminate the tipping system, every item on the menu would go up by 20 percent, in order for restaurant owners to pay their waiters a decent wage. Then the waiter has no incentive to provide good service. So a $15 burger would become an $18 burger on the menu. Then the customer would be stuck paying the full $18, even if the service was bad. This American style tipping system supposedly puts the customer first. It is supposed to give the customer the flexibility to pay $15 for the burger, but instead leave only a $1 as the tip, if the service is poor.
McA sorry, your comments are normally sensible but here you are conflating two different things. You are mixing up prices going up in FKKs (which they have been, effectively) with the bad practice of forced tipping in the US.
In US, you could very well have price inflation *and* you still need to tip. Tipping did not happen here because prices were kept artificially low. Since tipping is a percent of the sale, the more inflation in the sale prices tip also increases accordingly.
Tipping became the norm because employers did not pay the correct market wage to their employees and offloaded a portion of the wage onto customers in a very sneaky way. Tipping now induces guilt ("got to tip them because they don't get paid" shame ("tip them Cheapo!) and fear (of being branded a bad tipper). One should feel pleasure when tipping (good service received, and happiness that you rewarded someone for a job well done), but instead it induces negative emotions.
Tennis player Agassi wrote a book in which he tried to shame Pete Sampras (Sampras kicked Agassi's butt too many times on the court) by claiming that Sampras is a bad tipper. Such is the fate of bad tippers.
The phenomenon in FKK is entirely different. To the extent full service effectively costs x and official rate is 50, mongers who want the full service pay the difference of x-50 as the tip. If one pays just 50, only partial service is received. That is just economic reality, and not a degenerative tipping practice.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2200137]At Venus I don't know, or at very small Villa Venus?[/QUOTE]Villa venus.
Greetings all,
I will possibly be visiting soon to the Rietheim-Weilheim area. I do not know the landscape of the area and am wondering if there is a club within a reasonable distance to this region that someone could recommend?
[QUOTE=Maxime;2200412]Close to the Dutch border: [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/VsxQRq1DDS12[/URL].[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.saunaclub-venus.com/index.php/home-1498.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2200706]McA sorry, your comments are normally sensible but here you are conflating two different things. You are mixing up prices going up in FKKs (which they have been, effectively) with the bad practice of forced tipping in the US.
In US, you could very well have price inflation *and* you still need to tip. Tipping did not happen here because prices were kept artificially low. Since tipping is a percent of the sale, the more inflation in the sale prices tip also increases accordingly.
Tipping became the norm because employers did not pay the correct market wage to their employees and offloaded a portion of the wage onto customers in a very sneaky way. Tipping now induces guilt ("got to tip them because they don't get paid" shame ("tip them Cheapo!) and fear (of being branded a bad tipper). One should feel pleasure when tipping (good service received, and happiness that you rewarded someone for a job well done), but instead it induces negative emotions..[/QUOTE]Just a couple years back the ladies received a 25% per hour increase on a one hour session. Women who upsell for things such as kissing are also making 25% per hour more. Those two things alone equal a 50% increase above where they were say 5 years ago.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2200706] Tipping became the norm because employers did not pay the correct market wage to their employees and offloaded a portion of the wage onto customers in a very sneaky way. Tipping now induces guilt ("got to tip them because they don't get paid" shame ("tip them Cheapo!) and fear (of being branded a bad tipper). One should feel pleasure when tipping (good service received, and happiness that you rewarded someone for a job well done), but instead it induces negative emotions.[/QUOTE]I do not tip even in the US if service is bad. I don't feel guilt since imo that is the owners responsibility to pay their staff well or staff will leave. I don't worry about being branded a bad tipper since I likely would not return to that restaurant if I received poor service. Same applies to FKK clubs. Bad service means no tip. If I girl talks bad about me to another girl so be it. If her friend is so petty that she rejects good customers who keeps girls he likes for multiple hours then she likely wasn't the girl for me to begin with. Tipping is not an expectation where I live in Thailand and the most anyone ever tips here is 40 baht (1. 20 euro). However, I find I almost always tip in Thailand and usually much more than the general public since service is good at restaurants and anyone who has been to Thailand know Thai girls pour their hearts out for you.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2200855] However, I find I almost always tip in Thailand and usually much more than the general public since service is good at restaurants and anyone who has been to Thailand know Thai girls pour their hearts out for you.[/QUOTE]Jeez man, you became chai dee mak mak (a very good heart) since you live in Thailand. LOL.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2200851]Just a couple years back the ladies received a 25% per hour increase on a one hour session. Women who upsell for things such as kissing are also making 25% per hour more. Those two things alone equal a 50% increase above where they were say 5 years ago.[/QUOTE]Actually it was more 33% for a one hour session and 50% for a 1h30. Yet at Acapulco prices stayed the same and girls are happy about that since the entrance is really cheaper.