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[QUOTE=MrHo;2282587]This I agree totally, once you become regular to some girls and you go with other girls front of them, I have been asked why I went with such a such girl or what does she do in room to you or even worst girl who provided me good service withhold some services in room after I went to other girls. I mean I do not mind if girls go with other guys, it is brothel, but what wrong with these girls as I am the only organic ATM machine who only belong to her LOL. It is FKK both clients and girls are free to go with anyone we want to go to room with.[/QUOTE]That was not at all my meaning about jealousy in FKK land, I'm used and I manage when girls ask me not to go with other girls, because they don t want I do the same with others, not a problem for me and even improve sex with girls. As I don't find many pretty enough for me, so I prefer to go only with the very few prettiest, usually weekly for months, and they don t try to fuck me because they prefer to keep me for regular as long as possible. At LR, after 2 months and half, I thought 1 would be my only one, she was enough, unfortunately she lost her elegance and charm for my eyes and brain, but I know only one would be the best for me. My life model.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2282955]Instead what happens is that people blame external institutions for their limitations and some become convinced that their experience is universal. If I've never made a true connection with a WG, perhaps I too would insist that fkks are not places where true social interactions are possible. If I have never had a relationship with a woman at all, perhaps I too would think that ideas such as polyamorous free love would cure all of the world's problems. Perhaps I would give up entirely on romantic relationships and only pursue mongering activities.

As you say, frequency and long term prognosis from the girl's point of view are very important. When I had a relationship with a European working girl, I was basically living in Germany. Shortly after I returned to bimonthly visits, the relationship crumbled. For a guy who makes visits every other year, I would imagine that his viewpoint would be that FKK girls are all swindling hookers uninterested in real human interaction. If life at home gets tough, I would probably extend that viewpoint toward all women.[/QUOTE]I totally agree on the relationship part. But I wouldn't spend too much time on that on the forum due to rumors of guys taking this too far. So lets leave it as an illusion.

Regarding the love aspect as opposed to polyamorous living. I think there is something to it. But mainly the drugged down oxytocin part. And this can be tampered with. It is also impossible to predict how this idea of love behavior would change if there were all orgies all the time also. With top quality pussy everywhere. Now of course physicians and bioengineers have a great deal of work to do before this society is a real option. But I think we are heading there at some point. If it is in 20 years or 200 years, I don't know.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2283029]I agree with you 100%. Obviously there is a socializing aspect to visiting FKKs. If there were none, then no monger in the history of fkks would have ever pulled a WG out of the club. However, locals do it regularly. The caveat is that you must be there often enough for the WG to see you as more than a customer. Fly in mongers will have a harder time doing this. When I was in Germany for an extended period, Sharks became my neighborhood bar. Girls who I never sessioned with would hang out just to kill time. Now that I am relegated to fly in status, the newer girls do not speak with me in the same way. Basically, just like with non mongering relationships, you have to be physically present for the girl to truly socialize with you.[/QUOTE]True, but even as a fly in guy you can still get that social interaction. Some long timers at Oase, and ex Artemis girls I bump into everywhere usually greet me as an old friend. I think it has more to do with total amount times having met as opposed to a short / long timespan.

Takedown, you are so right. Even flying in every six weeks or so will mean girls say "haven't seen you for so long", "where have you been?" and so on. A visit every week pays more dividends than a six day block every six weeks.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2283222]unfortunately she lost her elegance and charm for my eyes and brain, but I know only one would be the best for me. My life model.[/QUOTE]It is funny how I also lose the excitement as I repeat girls, sometimes, it is not that she gained weight or became ugly with surgeries, but I lose excitements no matter how pretty she is, it only good for first one year or two for me.

Though it does happen sometimes that I first meet girls who is so beautiful, then she enhance her tits like after few years in business, then it is done well, but for me this also can be turn off. I guess I tend to like natural beauty than artificial ones which tend to be the most case in FKK lately, made in laboratories.

First is tattoo, tits, lip, nose and more of those three as girls stay in FKK industry. I try to avoid those in most cases and aim for more natural beauties that are rare in FKK, but we still find with bit of digging.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2283249]Takedown, you are so right. Even flying in every six weeks or so will mean girls say "haven't seen you for so long", "where have you been?" and so on. A visit every week pays more dividends than a six day block every six weeks.[/QUOTE]Yep, now if you spend 6 days in a row and not spread out visits to other clubs, then yeah that also changes the dynamic. That being said, I've done it, not worth it.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2283229]I totally agree on the relationship part. But I wouldn't spend too much time on that on the forum due to rumors of guys taking this too far. So lets leave it as an illusion.

Regarding the love aspect as opposed to polyamorous living. I think there is something to it. But mainly the drugged down oxytocin part. And this can be tampered with. It is also impossible to predict how this idea of love behavior would change if there were all orgies all the time also. With top quality pussy everywhere. Now of course physicians and bioengineers have a great deal of work to do before this society is a real option. But I think we are heading there at some point. If it is in 20 years or 200 years, I don't know.[/QUOTE]Perhaps technology gets there and you can articficially create happiness and mimick the feeling people have with a real, authentic relationship. But perhaps you risk never getting this theoretical advancement and die alone without ever knowing what it's like to be in a pair-bond. I suggest to anyone who has never been in a pair bond to attain experience on the subject matter before determining if it is important enough for one to risk it.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2283234]True, but even as a fly in guy you can still get that social interaction. Some long timers at Oase, and ex Artemis girls I bump into everywhere usually greet me as an old friend. I think it has more to do with total amount times having met as opposed to a short / long timespan.[/QUOTE]Yes, the original post said that fly in mongers have a harder time (than local) not an impossible time.

Takedown and Optimist,

I agree with you guys. It is almost impossible for a fly-in monger to have a meaningful relationship with a local working girl (or any local girl for this matter). Optimist is probably the most qualified commentator on this subject on FKK forum.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2283445]Takedown and Optimist,

I agree with you guys. It is almost impossible for a fly-in monger to have a meaningful relationship with a local working girl (or any local girl for this matter). Optimist is probably the most qualified commentator on this subject on FKK forum.[/QUOTE]Why do you want to have meaning relationship with prostitutes? I am not saying not to get along or be rude to them, but FKK is there to fuck prostitutes and not to have meaningful relationship with them, I mean don't you have friends? LOL!

I am utterly surprise that some mongers talk about practicing social skill in FKK or have meaningful relationship with prostitutes in German brothel.

I communicate some of them, but only before I go to FKK to book those give me contacts details, but I do not write to them except for that. Once in awhile, some of them write me like hey, how are you? But I only see those as sales mail. I think it is important for mongers to have brothel literacy or prostitute literacy, it is not real, they are just being nice because it is partly their job to be nice if they think it is better for their business model.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2283234]True, but even as a fly in guy you can still get that social interaction. Some long timers at Oase, and ex Artemis girls I bump into everywhere usually greet me as an old friend. I think it has more to do with total amount times having met as opposed to a short / long timespan.[/QUOTE]"Bump into everywhere" reminds me of an interesting thing that happened. I had a lady who I visited regularly in the club, but never outside. I saw her on the street in the city one day and said "Hello". She walked by like I didn't exist. A couple days later at the club, she came to me and said, "If you see me outside the club, don't speak with me, not even in the parking". Needless to say, the attraction slipped a lot that day and it took some work to convince some of her friends from the club to session with me after that.

A great book I am reading is Sapiens by Yuval Harari. Like it or not, our DNA has programmed the male limbic system components including the hypothalamus and amygdala to make a bee line to pretty girls or whatever object or trigger of lust we have. We go for visuals and are different from most females. WG essentially exploit this male need to hump pretty things. They do it for cash. Sure they have many individual social, economic and emotional goals but will generally form a view that most males are helplessly fueled by lust and fickle beasts whether the girls admit it or not. The whole point of an FKK is variety and instant gratification. Whether you fly in or out are stick around, the question remains: will you immigrate, buy a house and commit to being around for a girl (or at least have that as a serious possibility). Girls have their shelf life and generally have the need to snag a man who is really there. So yeah, you may get a girl out of the club, but that remains a long way apart from a serious relationship. Any good relationship is really good luck finding someone interesting and worth talking to nearly 24 hours a day and who is trustworthy, gives an receives respect, and is presentable. Even if that combo found, that is where the work begins. And in our case, needs a vagina, skills in bed and is ideally pretty. Believe me, women also have a hard time finding guys (they make stupid choices all the time, but that's another topic).

As Pistons points out, oxytocin kicks in and before you know it you make a hazy judgment "what if. I could have this eye candy more permanently" confusing short term attraction and pleasure and hoping it will repeat ad infinitum. We want to believe it and our cognitive bias will weave a story that fools us. My advice is to accept our biological pre-determined urges, enjoy the high, but also realise that like a restaurant, you may not want to eat out every night let alone the same restaurant and even less the same dish.

The chance and mystery of girl chasing is exciting and that fuels the gambling part of our brains as well as the lusty bit. It is good clean fun, but make sure you are in control with big brain and aware of our DNA driving what we think in many cases is choice but is really an ancient program just as we salivate when smelling grilled meat.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2283433]Perhaps technology gets there and you can articficially create happiness and mimick the feeling people have with a real, authentic relationship. But perhaps you risk never getting this theoretical advancement and die alone without ever knowing what it's like to be in a pair-bond. I suggest to anyone who has never been in a pair bond to attain experience on the subject matter before determining if it is important enough for one to risk it.[/QUOTE]LOL! In todays world and society, clearly the pair bond option is the best solution. I don't think I've claimed otherwise. But merely pointed at its drawbacks and problems. As it isn't perfect. Like the book Utopia.

Best post in the thread so far in 2019 goes to Phallus Maximus. You coined it 100%. A lifepartner should be a good friend. 'Love' is a chemical illusion somewhere between brain hormones / chemicals and commitment. But a friend can be a psychologist. In many ways, some working girls can be great listeners and work as quasi psychologists. An educated psychologist girlfriend (believe it or not, I have had 2, and seem to be attracted by them) may be tge best thing. But she can also be too smart. And over analyse everything. LOL.

Either way, who came up with the idea that fly in relationships could ever work? Lets get real here. That is where I draw a line as it is obviously not a possibility. The only ones who make that work are men who sends the wives half way across the world all their monthly salary to live off. Unless you want to do that, forget it.

Mr Ho,

For the record, I don't go out on date with any WG no matter how beautiful she is as I already mentioned in some of my previous posts and I only have been having sex dates (without going-out) with only 18-year-old WGs (my fetish) as their loverboy. But I can completely understand why some mongers want to have normal relationship with WGs. It is complicated and I am too lazy to explain it and answer your question now. But I promise you this: five to ten years from now, you will know the answer of your question by yourself and find it out from your own experience and maturation.

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[QUOTE=CaneUppHosAss;2283076]Jealousy in FKKs is like Pepe the Frog. It's what we want it to be. It is frustration, envy, anger, fomo. When I first visited, I was jealous of the dudes who sat with multiple chicks and yapping away as if they were long lost lovers. When I didn't have much money in my pocket, I was jealous of the dudes who were able to spend like there was no tomorrow. When I am not mongering and at home, I am jealous of the supermongers who always seem to be banging chicks in one or another place around the globe. As I am getting older, I am jealous of dudes who can bang a dozen putas night after night. I am jealous of dudes who can get anal from girls that would not give it to me, I am jealous of chicks that I imagine are kissing other guys with more passion, I am jealous of guys who seem to get AO sex with chicks that will only provide CBJ to me, I am jealous of, I am jealous of, I am jealous of.

Perhaps jealousy is a prerequisite to be a perennial monger. We strive to have more and more, and have an insatiable appetite for more pussy and ass than a man is fairly entitled in a hundred lives. Jealousy is an ugly word only if you think it is. But it is the primal emotion that drives us to live a life of unbridled pleasure.[/QUOTE]Maybe you get some insight on other approaches when you listen to this man and his words.

How to Deal with Relationships? - Sadhguru. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl8MUnLfEsk[/URL]

How Do You Stop the Mind's Chatter? - Sadhguru. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNyJgNjCDuU[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2283015]It is never ending hobby, it is like that pringle ad, once you tute, you cannot stop LOL![/QUOTE]If beings, especially human beings, become like machines, maybe this is why death is such an important tool of evolution?