East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2289461]Still a couple weeks out so unfortunately I will miss the legendary SamCan. I am with you on the pricing. I never want to pay too much but there are guys in the German FKK lounge who brag about leaving without a session because all the girls wanted $50 more than is reasonable. OMG. I hope you enjoy rubbing your blue balls with your crisp $50![/QUOTE]Sams report is startling to rev my engine for my next trip in April. To bad I'll missed buying Sam a long overdue drink but I still appreciate his daily reports. Hope the ratio of women to men improve later in the year.

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2289467]Sams report is startling to rev my engine for my next trip in April. To bad I'll missed buying Sam a long overdue drink but I still appreciate his daily reports. Hope the ratio of women to men improve later in the year.[/QUOTE]I will update you Friday. I know a couple of my faves are returning Thursday. . Don't forget judys was a good ratio. Probably 50/50 but most men were lookersand not engaged in the hunt. I know some believe manhattans have the finer women. I've seen it ebb and flow over the years. Since judys is a new bar near Manhattan's it's Hard to tell which truly has the better quality if there's even a difference.

I tend to do better at judys for some reason. Maybe cause I start. At Manhattan's and end at judys. This time I should try in reverse.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2289256]Loving the updates. May have to try that bar across from Judy's just for fun. I am avowed Manhattan fan however. Do I plan to go there? I'the love to get the lowdown on pricing since I will be there soon.[/QUOTE]The bar was a good place to have two girls rub my groin while I reached. Down their low cut shirts and held 2 girls titties. All for the price of my beer and their drinks (300 rmb).

As long as your strong enough to walk out when the beer is gone, it's a fun place. Neither girl next to me made me want to skip a girl in Manhattan's.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2289228]Sam, great reporting, as usual. Love reading about your adventures. A question: Do you ever bareback any of them? If so, do you have a strategy of finding and identifying them, and a strategy to minimize risks? Lately, I've become bored of CFS, and started to bareback some of these gals, and surprisingly, many are okay with it and only just afraid of getting pregnant. But I fully admit I'm being really, really stupid. Thus why I ask my question. Anyone else can jump in with their thoughts.[/QUOTE]I can guarantee I don't even get BBBJ and get offered that regularly. . Other than the teabagging and AR I don't go for uncovered anything. For me Risks Are way too high both physically and personally. Mine is not to judge. I have had a few guys privately tell me they asked the girls at judys and get some to sign up. Usually the less beautiful ones trying to compete with the high end. So go to judys and start asking.

My fave Sun seemed to playfully hint at it but I never took her up on it. Before I get new guys ask for digits. Sun has not responded to me in weeks

[QUOTE=SamCan;2289635]I know some believe manhattans have the finer women. I've seen it ebb and flow over the years. Since judys is a new bar near Manhattan's it's Hard to tell which truly has the better quality if there's even a difference.

I tend to do better at judys for some reason. Maybe cause I start. At Manhattan's and end at judys. This time I should try in reverse.[/QUOTE]Over the years Manhattan has ALWAYS held sway over Judys in pure beauty and age of the Viets. YES plenty times there are GEMS in Judys and I would say lately the top girls in Judys every bit as good as top girls in Manhattan. But the Manhattan crowd of Chinese guys are bigger spenders so the top tier girls get more $$$s in Manhattan. Do not discard either. Cruise both and you will find what you desire.

As for Judys being a new bar that is far from the case. Judys 1 on Maoming Lu predated the very first Manhattan. Then they both moved to central Tongren Lu side by side until that strip of shops was demolished and Manhattan moved to current location on Nanyang Lu whilst Judys moved to end of Tongren Lu where it operated for a couple of years then shifting to current location on Tongren Lu.

When they were side by side middle Tongren Lu Manhattan was 60-70% Filipinos and lesser crowd Viets where Judys was mostly Viets. When Judys shifted to end Tongren Lu there was always a great supply Africans. Even in current location they had good supply Africans until only last 12 mths or so and now they are banned. Had some of the best girls ever from both locations but alas that is a memory now.

Either Judys or Manhattan are still best bets in SH for 'grab'and'go' - Jan 8 I had just a stunner Viet from Judys for 1500 2 hrs 2 pops. Young and fresh and she had a distict Spanish look about her but she assured me whilst she hears that a lot both her parents Viets.

As for BBBJ I NEVER have and NEVER will pay a girl in China for CBJ - NEVER - BBBJ is standard fare or you walk away. The Colombians will ask for it - walk away - some of the Russians will ask for it - walk away - NEVER has a Viet or African asked for it - NEVER. Some of the Viets from both Judys and Manhattan are happy to go with BBFS - less than 20% I would say - CFS not a deal breaker for me - young and fresh BBFS a lovely bonus as as always Caveat Emptor - and clearly YMMV.

Whatever / whichever way you do it keep safe - never go with touts - never go to girls apartments - always be in control of your situation - and above all treat the girls well.

The reason I haven't written a review of the last time I mongered in Shanghai was that I wasn't on ISG, Secondly I was hoping for a senior such as yourself have done no different than I have when I mongered at Manhattan. Thirdly about being lazy, I was looking for exclusivity which I thought you might help in provide but unfortunately failed to see my intent. Lastly I do share contacts and experience with my fellow brothers, what I don't do is broadcast to the masses and provide contacts to people who are here just to window shop. I believe in a fair barter (Which you may see as "The Point" on ISG) in my opinion Wrongly so.

Thank you for not being lazy enough to give a statement on my request.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2288928]So you've been to Shanghai twice, mongered but didn't feel like spending some of your time writting reviews.

Yet you'd like us whom already spent a lot of our time writting reports here to post again what we already posted because you're too lazy to go back a few pages?

No thanks.

God helps those who help themselves and others, ISG too.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's exactly what happens in India. You're completely Right, But let me get you on a secret (Which isn't a secret actually), we're a country with a population of excess of a billion people (FYI 1/6th of the world Population) where in 65% of US are in age group ranging from 16-40, we are chaotic. Some of them might be lazy. But we have the fastest and also the very most accurate (Reports / reviews) on any forms. 70% of posts are from people who have just joined ISG and have almost no idea where to start, In looking for help, Judgmental people such as yourself post insults and irrelevant judgments on them.

How about this (Just to satisfy your ego) if don't want to help, fine by me But don't comment about other forms and judge the people / post there until not knowing the scene. Of course you'll reply wittily with this post of mine, let me give a advise (Since you like post and reviews so much) Don't!

Thanking you,

With regards,

Firsttimer001.

P.S. As an Indian We are taught to apologies in advance for offending you in any way. Hope you have an amazing run mongering around the world.

P. P.S. Feel free to ask for contacts on the Indian forum, We might ask that often there but its quite reliable and surprisingly updated.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2289008]That's what they do in the Indian forums. Ever check those out? What a colossal chaotic zoo. Everyone just constantly begging each other for contacts. Ever notice all the many warnings the site administrators put in there? And then when those mongers go abroad, they do the same lazy shit. Maybe they are not used to seeing actual helpful reports.[/QUOTE]

BBB.

While I agree manhattans has the better girls usually, I have seen nights when I was surprised to see judys better stocked. Not often granted but I have seen it move both ways. to say ALWAYS. Is a statement I can't make in the 10 years I've been going because I am not ALWAYS there. One example was when manhattans reopened the girls had gotten comfortable at judys and moved back a little slower.



When I said JUDYs was new I meant the new location next to manhattans not the previous one on tongren lu

As far as CBJ? That's my preference not theirs. Never had a viet not offer a BBBJ. What you choose to do with your dick is your business. . I was referring to a question to me.

Hello folks,

This is my first post on ISG. I am an occasional traveler to Shanghai and have been going to Manhattan and Judy's for the past few years with mixed experiences. I got a Viet last night from Manhattan and she asked me to make the payment first before we got down to business. I had already negotiated 1200 in the bar and after giving the payment in the hotel room she started rushing me. I knew this was going to be bad. I hate giving the payment first because then the girl gets in control and has no more interest in satisfying me. Last yr I met a hottie in Manhattan and she delivered well even after taking the payment first so therefore I have mixed experiences in Shanghai. I have traveled quite a bit and nowhere the girl asks payment first. I am trying to avoid this situation again tonight and next few days. What is your strategy to overcome this in Shanghai especially?

Thanks,

JM.

I have been seeing lilli (different lilli than earlier post) since 2014 or 2015. She always reaches out when in Shanghai and I the same when I am coming. It feels special. Maybe it is but probably my imagination. Those of you that read my posts may remember when I brought a working girl back to the hotel. For free. This was Lilli. She recognized me but I didn't her. She had lost weight cut her hair. She acted so offended I forgot her and was determined I not again. Thus the freebie. Yes you can say I made it up but why would I? Truth is stranger than fiction.

I called her. She was willing to come to my far away plus 200taxi . More than I ever pay, but it's lilli. She's 33. Not special. Probably a 7. Silicone boobs that have settled in well making it hard to tell. Even when you know. I knew lilli before and after.

She came to my room. We sat on the couch and made out like old girlfriend and boyfriend. Fully clothed. Just making out. There was no rush. We we eventually took our clothes off. Our plan was to shower but we kinda fell into the bed.

BJ rocking cowgirl as I sit up with her in my lap. Mish. Doggie mish. It was a good long session and at no point did I feel she was rushing me along. Her face was flushed red and hot.

After I popped. We cuddled forever. She eventually on her own reached down and woke me up for round 2. We went at it for a while. I gave up couldn't pop. Switched to HJ. No help. I gave her a massage that she enjoyed and she tried me for a 3rd round. She jacked me off and let me shoot on her bellly and chest. We jumped in the shower. Kiss hug etc, she finally got around to leaving. Like a girlfriend that didn’t want to go.

2. 5 hours after her arrival we were both done. It was 10. Taxis are more expensive. I gave her 1700 gladly without her asking.

I m never a pushover on price but there was nothing else she could have done. I hope to see lilli again before I fly. She usually works a KTV now so don't know if schedules line up. The chinese give her 3000 for FS at the KTV so she's not interested in judys anymore.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2290128]The chinese give her 3000 for FS at the KTV so she's not interested in judys anymore. [/QUOTE]Can someone please explain to me why the pricing is so high in China? In USA it doesn't cost anything like 3000 rmb ($450!) or 1700 rmb ($250!) for a lay.

I just don't get it. USA is a 1st class country where you can get a lay from an nice online girl or escort for $100- 150 easy. Why doesn't China have that? Who in their right mind would pay to bang a Viet or anything in China for so much money when we can get better girls for much less in USA? Just next door to China sex is dirt cheap. WHY?? Am I missing something? Do cheap lays exist in China? If so, how to find them? (Honest questions for an upcoming first timer)

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2289859] - never go to girls apartments - always be in control of your situation - [/QUOTE]I think one exception to this may be incalls with girls affiliated with a reliable agency that likely cares about its reputation. But it still scares me a little, and some of these girls live in shitty compounds so you may stick out when you're walking around looking for the building.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2290158]I think one exception to this may be incalls with girls affiliated with a reliable agency that likely cares about its reputation. But it still scares me a little, and some of these girls live in shitty compounds so you may stick out when you're walking around looking for the building.[/QUOTE]We all make decisions. My advice before you make a decision is NEVER go to a girls apartment. ALWAYS maintain TOTAL CONTROL of your situation.

This GEM in these pictures is out and out the BEST Viet I have ever had in SH - it was August 2010 and I cut her from the herd at Manhattan (Existing Location) - oh and 'They are REAL and they are SPECTACULAR)

[QUOTE=Free2;2290153]Can someone please explain to me why the pricing is so high in China? In USA it doesn't cost anything like 3000 rmb ($450!) or 1700 rmb ($250!) for a lay.
)[/QUOTE]These are great questions so let me help. The chinese have a different culture about money. Having money is new to them. Sometimes they like to brag about what they spent more than they brag about the girl. KTVs are strange expensive experiences on their own. Renting a room, having girls sit with you and having drinks with them that you buy, getting drunk and eventually paying too much to take a girl home after the night ends. It's always baffled me but I've come to the conclusion that's the way it is.

Let's talk judys and manhattans. Read my past posts. I have been a long standing person with the samcan 1000 rmb ($150) 2 pop rule. Many didn't get that price from one particular girl and told me I was crazy. A lot of factors play in. If a girl had one customer already she may be holding out for more on the second. You may be a nationality that gets a bad reputation due to others of that nationality that didn't treat girls well. Lets face it. They are WG but You may not be appealing to her for some reason. And she's less interested. I am older now and I find some younger girls look away from me when I approach. They will take me but I'm not their first choice. I am not interested in those girls for such a personal act.

My theory was I could always get it for 1000 so with the number of girls there I would move on to the next. I always got what I wanted for 1000 with 2 pops. It was almost sport LOL. This trip may be my last trip for a long time. I have been negotiating at 1200 ($180). Because frankly at $30 more I am hagggling less and I don't care.

My hotel is an hour from manhattans. Mostly my girls and contacts are near there. I am in an area of expats and working girls are more hidden and the MPs want so much in HJ tips I bring in my own. A girl will pay 200 rmb round trip to come to my area. Usual pricing to get a judys girl here is 200 taxi plus the 1200 I have paid this trip or 1400. (210). Taxi rates go up in the evening. I can't remembber when. They almost double. I usually don't worry about this but lilli as I said is special to me and I've actually had a freebie the last time with her. Paying lilli 1700 was still cheaper averaged out. I wouldn't have paid that to any other girl in Shanghai unless she was a model. Lilli is not but she's almost like a girlfriend for me.

I am usually not such a sucker but the GFE I got from lilli last night was better than the other 5 girls I had this week. Hey it’s my cash and over paying lilli didn’t kill the market for the rest of you or change the 2 pop rule.

[QUOTE=Free2;2290153]Can someone please explain to me why the pricing is so high in China? In USA it doesn't cost anything like 3000 rmb ($450!) or 1700 rmb ($250!) for a lay.

I just don't get it. USA is a 1st class country where you can get a lay from an nice online girl or escort for $100- 150 easy. Why doesn't China have that? Who in their right mind would pay to bang a Viet or anything in China for so much money when we can get better girls for much less in USA? Just next door to China sex is dirt cheap. WHY?? Am I missing something? Do cheap lays exist in China? If so, how to find them? (Honest questions for an upcoming first timer)[/QUOTE]$100-150? Where do I find these girls? (I'm me if you'the rather not say publically). My experience is I can get an older or chunkier girl for $200. Any girl that is Manhattan worthy in the US will be $400/ HR minimum. So do tell where you can find a $100 beauty in the US?