Jakarta

[QUOTE=Ceegee;2215726]Smoothy what is the going rate these days to make a cop go away in this situation?[/QUOTE]I really don't know how much they are wanting these days. I don't go to the brothel areas at night and that's where you are likely to get pulled over by the cops or have the cops raid the bar. (I do not ever drive a car in Jakarta, so when I am pulled over, it is the taxi being pulled over in a police road block) The last time I was pulled over by the police and actually had to give a bribe was about 10 years ago and I gave 100 k. I've been pulled over a few times after that but I didn't pay anything even though I never carry my passport. I just acted like I didn't understand what they were talking about and spoke only English to them. Luckily those times they had only Indonesian speaking police in the raid and they got frustrated. If they have an English speaker, the likelihood of a bribe goes up. I would never speak Bahasa to them regardless, but Goferring makes good points.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2215792]The whole speaking Bahasa thing can go both ways. I've learnt and got a way with a lot when people have spoken in front of me not realising I understand them or just by acting dumb and not saying a word. On the flip side, showing you have been in country a while and know the system can lower costs and speed the process.[/QUOTE]I agree with this statement, and I think your Bahasa needs to be at a certain level before it can help you in this situation. I don't think there is a 'standard' rate people typically pay when pulled over. Its all relative and depends on many factors, such as the person involved, seriousness of the situation, the time of year (holidays, events etc.) and even location. However, if you did nothing wrong and have all your documents in order, you shouldn't worry too much or have to pay much if anything. All that will happen is you will lose some time and be inconvenienced a bit. The officers usually only push for the 'tip' if you don't have proper document, passport, or did something wrong.

I speak fluent Bahasa and had to pay between 100 k-200 k depending on the 'offence' found when pulled over. The time I paid 200 k was when I didn't have my updated car registration. The more serious the offence is, the more serious the 'tip' it will cost. Road checks and pull overs are most common around the Red Light areas, but even happen in central / South Area sometimes. If you are a foreigner you'll most likely need to pay more than what I've paid.

I know a group of foreign businessmen that got pulled over in a Silverbird exiting Mulia hotel. The guys without their passports each had to fork out 1 Juta each, while one of them had an ASEAN card and he got off. I wasn't in that situation, so I'm not sure if it could have been negotiated lower, but I think the fact it was a Silverbird with foreigners and coming out of Mulia, contributed to the higher asking price. At the end of the day, its in the hands of the Officer because he does have the authority to bring you into the Office to process the offence (and if this happens you may spend hours or even up to a day sorting it out), but usually they don't want to spend too much time with one single car and rather quickly move on the the next car / victim, unless you've totally pissed them off or refuse to give some face. Its always a negotiation and you just need experience or the skills to come out of it successfully.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2215792](Sh) it does indeed happen. In the few times I've been pulled over by Indonesia's finest, I was waved through when I wasn't at fault (speeding taxis, taxis following ministerial vehicles etc.) or paid fines of 50 to 100 k when I was in the wrong (no ID handed over, car full of hussies at 4 am etc.) I would have expected to pay this amount in MM's case. Perhaps add a bit given that the Games are in town and the cops were obviously out to make some money that night.

The things MM did right were never ever hand over your passport and always settle the issue there and then. Obviously them having important possessions in their hands dramatically weakens your position. Similarly, standing your ground to the point of being taken to the Station and dealing with Superiors who work in much larger sums will see you paying much more and at risk of lock up or assault.

The whole speaking Bahasa thing can go both ways. I've learnt and got a way with a lot when people have spoken in front of me not realising I understand them or just by acting dumb and not saying a word. On the flip side, showing you have been in country a while and know the system can lower costs and speed the process.

Obviously having money out and visible is just asking for trouble and never invite anyone to search your goods with out cause. Planting drugs etc is rare but not unheard off. Again, it's much better just to pay there and then just to settle things and be on your way. Its not worth arguing over whether you should have paid 50 or 500 k ($5 or $50).[/QUOTE]I have been taken for 3 million late at night.

That was after negotiating it down.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2215911]I have been taken for 3 million late at night.

That was after negotiating it down.[/QUOTE]What was the offense? I never even carry 3 million rupiah with me in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2215911]I have been taken for 3 million late at night.

That was after negotiating it down.[/QUOTE]Fuck. What did you do?

I know some one who got wasted with his GF. He passed out in the room and she decided she could fly from his 7th floor balcony.

He complained about paying 7 jt. 🤔.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2215988]What was the offense? I never even carry 3 million rupiah with me in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]No offense. Just being a bule. Not with a girl. No drugs. I wasn't even intoxicated. They were going to haul me to the police station if I didn't pay. Had my passport with me too. Claimed that I was supposed to report to the police station. Arguing that I was a tourist, didn't have to report, and have visited many times didn't help.

Maybe I look like a guy with money. I don't know. I've dealt with police many times all over south-east Asia and had never experienced anything like it.

I tried to get out of it paying 500 k, but they were having none of it.

Most people will assume I'm a fool that misread the situation and am easily intimidated, but I would have paid more to get out of it.

Happened Jalan Angkasa on google maps.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2215988]I never even carry 3 million rupiah with me in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, they will be happy to go to the ATM with you.

Hotel Travel.

1 lady 1 pop - 1 hour - 350 k (I got this).

2 ladies 2 pops 1. 5 h - 500 k (the girl said most guys do this 2 girl session).

3 ladies 2+ pops 1. 5 h - 700 k.

She also mentioned that the rooms are larger with more ladies.

I took one girl but this production kind of turned me off with all off the real intimate service I was getting at these shithole massage places Travel hotel was more of a turn and burn kind of place.

At least its cheap. I went up to the room with the girl everything kind of normal until she started to get ready for her session she sprayed everything with mouthwash my balls which actually kind of stung a little bit from the mouthwash the best thing was the ball massage I kind of opted out of sex cause she was so mechanical her pussy was as dry as the nevada desert kinda like like a rubber chew toy. I decided to just save it for later at one of the shops I know where I can relax. This place for a noob I think is heaven but for someone who has been here a few times the smaller massage shops offer a more personal touch. I guess I just feel more at ease when the girls are not trying to kick you out the door to get to the next customer. She was pretty but her attitude was kind of turning me off she had hand sanitizer and lube and a spray bottle and this pad she sprayed with mouthwash on it and held the condom like it was baby jesus. Good thing is the price is right bad thing is this place is kind of clinical it feels more like a sperm donation than sex to me. Going to head out later tonight and grab a more GFE experience at the body to body shops.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2215609]A good overview of the Jakarta scene.

If your looking to improve the cost / benefit for long term hookups, looking at less professional options would be a good idea.

1 jt per day may be scoffed at by a hardened pro but it would be a welcome addition to college fees or shop assistant salary. Mid range mall food halls can be full of groups of junior clerks waiting for traffic to clear after work before catching the bus home. Many are as gorgeous as any pro but without the attitude.

Having a few words of Bahasa will help but it's not a necessity as many will be keen to practice their English.[/QUOTE]I am in Jakarta at the moment and did a search for girls on social media such as Wechat and Twitter. I came across the term 'bo ' and wonder how they operate. Has anyone tried them before and give some insight?

[QUOTE=Kartolo;2216283]I am in Jakarta at the moment and did a search for girls on social media such as Wechat and Twitter. I came across the term 'bo ' and wonder how they operate. Has anyone tried them before and give some insight?[/QUOTE]If I'm not mistaken, "BO" means they are a fan of the "Baltimore Orioles" baseball team. Don't worry, you can contact them and they will likely come to your place for a fee. Just don't tell them you are a Yankees or Red Sox fan if you are.

Or it could possibly mean "booking out" meaning they are a call girl.

I know it's one or the other for sure. To play it safe, don't talk up the Yankees or Red Sox in any case. And do not send them any money in advance.

[QUOTE=Kartolo;2216283]I am in Jakarta at the moment and did a search for girls on social media such as Wechat and Twitter. I came across the term 'bo ' and wonder how they operate. Has anyone tried them before and give some insight?[/QUOTE]This just happened and then she added "tapi saya tidak bisa" & "saya biasa DI kosan saya".

Saying she didn't want to go to the hotel she has a boarding house near by. This chick said "Open BO" some of them use BO as short for booking instead of outcall so kind of hit and miss sometimes.

I had a few good ones this super hot girl for 500 k as well of wechat they are almost all hookers so you can just shotgun message the ones in your area and see who replys. Wechat takes some work but if the massage places are closed or its late at night nothing beats pussy delivery. I also wouldn't recommend going to the boarding houses unless you know the drill already or at the very least check em out earlier in the day. Those places can be pretty rough and no security of any kind.

This may be good or bad depending on what floats your boat but wechat in general is a mine field of shemales / ladyboys so just a heads up... Extremely photoshopped /filtered pictures real hard to tell when they are in womens clothes. When in doubt ask.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2216192]No offense. Just being a bule. Not with a girl. No drugs. I wasn't even intoxicated. They were going to haul me to the police station if I didn't pay. Had my passport with me too. Claimed that I was supposed to report to the police station. Arguing that I was a tourist, didn't have to report, and have visited many times didn't help.
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Most people will assume I'm a fool that misread the situation and am easily intimidated, but I would have paid more to get out of it.[/QUOTE]I suspect there may be more to this situation that you may not be telling us? But if that really was the case, I would have called their bluff and walked into the police car and request to call your embassy. Generally street police are not so audacious as to make up fake charges completely out of thin air. They usually only try squeeze you of of a minor infraction or technicality, like the need to carry official ID / Passport.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2216192]No offense. Just being a bule. Not with a girl. No drugs. I wasn't even intoxicated. They were going to haul me to the police station if I didn't pay. Had my passport with me too. Claimed that I was supposed to report to the police station. Arguing that I was a tourist, didn't have to report, and have visited many times didn't help.

Maybe I look like a guy with money. I don't know. I've dealt with police many times all over south-east Asia and had never experienced anything like it.

I tried to get out of it paying 500 k, but they were having none of it.

Most people will assume I'm a fool that misread the situation and am easily intimidated, but I would have paid more to get out of it.

Happened Jalan Angkasa on google maps.[/QUOTE]Others will be quick to judge but it sounds like you got the cop on a bad hair day or were just at the wrong place at the wrong time. Cops trying to amass funds to take home for Ramadan or to pay for a Colnel's new promotion can be risky times.

Remember that the police operate on a strong patriarchal system so most of the funds are sent up the line. The guy you paid the money to kept very little of the 3 jt.

Regardless, you made it out for $250. If you went to the station, you would have been adding zeros to this.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2216192]No offense. Just being a bule. Not with a girl. No drugs. I wasn't even intoxicated. They were going to haul me to the police station if I didn't pay. Had my passport with me too. Claimed that I was supposed to report to the police station. Arguing that I was a tourist, didn't have to report, and have visited many times didn't help.

Maybe I look like a guy with money. I don't know. I've dealt with police many times all over south-east Asia and had never experienced anything like it.

I tried to get out of it paying 500 k, but they were having none of it.

Most people will assume I'm a fool that misread the situation and am easily intimidated, but I would have paid more to get out of it.

Happened Jalan Angkasa on google maps.[/QUOTE]I have been pulled over many times for the passport scam. Sometimes I give them money, sometimes not. The one and only time I did have my passport with me during one of the passport scam shakedowns, I had the exact same experience (other than the amount paid). I had only been in town 2 days. They first asked to see my passport. When I DID have my passport, they immediately transitioned to "did you report your arrival to the police station when you arrived? Where is that report?" They then went on to use that as the shakedown reason going forward. To shake you down like that though takes a cop who can speak English pretty damn well. I looked it up on the internet when I got home, and there was actually a law that states all foreign visitors to Indonesia have to fill out a report with the police station when they arrive. Nobody ever does that though. (If you are staying at a hotel, the hotel is supposed to do it for you. I did tell the cop I was staying at the Mulia, and I could see he hesitated pushing me after I said that, but he thought about it for a second then did continue pushing for money.) The bottom line is that when the police are set in their mind to get some money out of you, they are going to keep coming up with as many BS reasons as possible. That's why I don't even bother carrying my passport ever anymore. It doesn't help and I may lose it.

I don't drive a car in Jakarta anymore. However, when I used to drive a car in Jakarta, I would be pulled over on occasion by the Police for trivial traffic violations. On those occasions, the negotiations were never a problem and they never asked to see my passport, they just stuck to the actual infraction and had me pay a small fine (directly to them of course) for that. They usually wanted 50 k and never more than 100 k. I would speak Bahasa to them and they were fair for the most part. Sure it's annoying to be hassled by the police at any time, but hell, I don't mind paying 5 to 10 USD for a traffic infraction. It costs 200 USD or more for the same in the USA.

However, the passport scam shakedowns are a completely different thing. Totally unethical.

One of the main reasons to get a driver in some SE Asian countries. The convenience far out weigh the risks. That is why some locals I know tell me to just walk away and disappear and grab a taxi when something smells wrong. They can then settle it on local basis.

In rural US, shake downs are quite regular. Once I was in a rental and the cost was close to 1 k. Those were the days when rentals had bumper stickers and such. Big neon signs "Sukker on board". Similar shake downs in New Jersey. Which was surprising to me. It appears to be still going strong.

I have heard about the passport shake down but, knock on wood, no problems yet.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2216497]I don't drive a car in Jakarta anymore. However, when I used to drive a car in Jakarta, I would be pulled over on occasion by the Police for trivial traffic violations. On those occasions, the negotiations were never a problem and they never asked to see my passport, they just stuck to the actual infraction and had me pay a small fine (directly to them of course) for that. They usually wanted 50 k and never more than 100 k. I would speak Bahasa to them and they were fair for the most part. Sure it's annoying to be hassled by the police at any time, but hell, I don't mind paying 5 to 10 USD for a traffic infraction. It costs 200 USD or more for the same in the USA.

However, the passport scam shakedowns are a completely different thing. Totally unethical.[/QUOTE].