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[QUOTE=CaneUppHosAss;2284679]Keep in mind, many girls do not even say Hi or smile back inside the club an hour after you had just fucked her. They walk by and look through you as if you are ether.

If I could change something, I would have more girls smile and say Hi in the club as we keep bumping into each other in such a small space. Not because I feel I am entitled to it inside the club but it is simple manners and good customer service. The good ones do, the lousy service providers don't.[/QUOTE]Then no need they return to me. I also judge girls behavior, not only for introducing social time or in bed, but how they behave after I pay, most are smiling, some with sweet caresses after room. Behavior is more interesting for me than sexual performances.

Nice points everybody. Yes it is a business relationship, but it is one where there is a direct personal interchange, and it is very easy, if both sides allow it to happen, for a personal relationship to develop. The range and depth will vary enormously but is almost inevitable if one repeats several times with any girl. Because it is business based, the girl, as Takedown says, gives the man much more of a chance than is likely in her non-business life where peer group and social norms pressures mean she would only meet with men of similar age and nationality and culture. In clubs ths girls get money, worship, and meet interesting men (as well as the opposite).

But as Nick says, once human relationships develop, the situation gets much more complicated and as Mr Ho implies, illusions can be mistaken for reality.

As Takedown says, we need to accept that the WG can choose to be seen just as a WG or as a human being. Like in any walk of life. Common decency and common sense.

Nice points everybody. Yes it is a business relationship, but it is one where there is a direct personal interchange, and it is very easy, if both sides allow it to happen, for a personal relationship to develop. The range and depth will vary enormously but is almost inevitable if one repeats several times with any girl. Because it is business based, the girl, as Bfsie says, gives the man much more of a chance than is likely in her non-business life where peer group and social norms pressures mean she would only meet with men of similar age and nationality and culture. In clubs the girls get money, worship, and meet interesting men (as well as the opposite).

But as Nick says, once human relationships develop, the situation gets much more complicated and as Mr Ho implies, illusions can be mistaken for reality.

As Takedown says, we need to accept that the WG can choose to be seen just as a WG or as a human being. Like in any walk of life. Common decency and common sense.

Thanks for the level headed post Optimist, as always.

Found out something today from a WG. Apparently a brand new club will be opening in the Dutch-German border town of Emmerich. Best part is the name, Golden Day. I have no idea if related to GT but I'm sure they are looking to siphon off some of that Dutch business. For now, it will be a 30 euro entry club.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2284754]While I deffinately agree with you, I do see why girls can get tired of this constant greeting. Even I as a guy after just a few days in a row in FKK's start getting tired of smiling and greeting so many girls around every corner in an FKK. And a few girls have over the years even called me rude for looking through them as ether too. Maybe I am lucky, but in this closed off polygamous box the clubs are, greetings must be some of the hardest parts. Especially with all the sales impulses going on. Women does seem to be better at such multitasking than guys are, but still I bet it can make them loose focus sometimes.[/QUOTE]Hello Sir,

Yes, an unending sequence of acknowledge and greets can be tedious and weigh you down but a simple smile should be easy enough-- one hopes.

If we are bumping into each 10 times in 5 minutes, it is not required to say and do much every time but if it happens a couple of times a day, a simple flash of smile will not hurt.

In any case, my thought is that those are things a monger can reasonably expect inside a club but outside the club our mutual privacy must be paramount unless there is some other understanding between the two parties involved.

My 2 cents.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2284710]You make a good point about the girls covering their faces. I always have a question for the girls who send 1 k per month home, who take 3 months a year off work and spend it back home, who buy a beautiful new house with cash, who have small children that stay in their home country with their grandparents, and who say there families don't know what they do for work. Do you really think what you do is a secret from your parents. Do you think your parents believe a waitress, bar tender, hotel maid, etc makes 10 k per month in Germany? I tell them it's not a secret it's denial. The secret is that their parents are o with them working as a prostitute as long as they are providing for their families back home.

Some ladies are super protective of their real identities. Others, after a couple meetings will share a look inside their life with you. I personally take it with a grain of salt because the one thing I've learned via this hobby, some of the greatest illusionists in the world work in Sauna Clubs as prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Hello Sir,

American Psychology Association talks about power of pretending. Several researchers have done work on this topic. Dr Paul Harris wrote a book called work of imagination. He discusses this in the context of children and role play, role play vs pretending but essentially while even a 3 year old may not have any understanding of theory of mind, the child is able to use role play to predict the actions and reactions and thought processes of others. I think this concept can probably be extended to the situation you described which is that the role play that happens between a working girl and her family in Romania and pretending to not know.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2284710]You make a good point about the girls covering their faces. I always have a question for the girls who send 1 k per month home, who take 3 months a year off work and spend it back home, who buy a beautiful new house with cash, who have small children that stay in their home country with their grandparents, and who say there families don't know what they do for work. Do you really think what you do is a secret from your parents. Do you think your parents believe a waitress, bar tender, hotel maid, etc makes 10 k per month in Germany? I tell them it's not a secret it's denial. The secret is that their parents are o with them working as a prostitute as long as they are providing for their families back home.

Some ladies are super protective of their real identities. Others, after a couple meetings will share a look inside their life with you. I personally take it with a grain of salt because the one thing I've learned via this hobby, some of the greatest illusionists in the world work in Sauna Clubs as prostitutes.[/QUOTE]For sure, Romanian families prefer to play blind, enjoying the fast money. Which other job could make so much fast money? Modeling? But not many FKK girls are model look.

Thanks to all for their great posts.

This summer I have two weeks of free time and I thought it would be fun to tour Germany and Switzerland just to visit FKK clubs.

Having been to several clubs in Berlin and Stuttgart I enjoyed the experience but am curious about the large clubs.

Any suggestions are welcome and I plan to travel between cities by train.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2284941]Thanks for the level headed post Optimist, as always.

Found out something today from a WG. Apparently a brand new club will be opening in the Dutch-German border town of Emmerich. Best part is the name, Golden Day. I have no idea if related to GT but I'm sure they are looking to siphon off some of that Dutch business. For now, it will be a 30 euro entry club.[/QUOTE]Interesting. The Dutch have up till now found it hard to set up thriving clubs (resulting I believe to the way that they are taxed, which discriminates against establishments with many girls: I expect other members know the detail). If this club can get started then of course it will not be subject to the July 2017 German laws, which will give an edge over the German clubs.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2285045]Interesting. The Dutch have up till now found it hard to set up thriving clubs (resulting I believe to the way that they are taxed, which discriminates against establishments with many girls: I expect other members know the detail). If this club can get started then of course it will not be subject to the July 2017 German laws, which will give an edge over the German clubs.[/QUOTE]There have been clubs in Emmerich before (Fun Garden, Lekker Ding), but they always struggle. Schuttdorf is near the border as well and Golden Dreams always struggled to get decent line ups, until they left. Just 20 miles down the A3 from Emmerich you have SC Venus and Gallardo (previously Marisol), all of which struggle to get anything going that resembles the bigger clubs (although Venus can be nice for a few hours). Simply put, (I think) that far north there aren't enough people to make clubs with many girls successful. Neither in Germany nor in the Netherlands. If you are travelling from the bigger Ducth cities (Amsterdam, Utrecht, Rotterdam), you'll be on the road for a while anyway and the difference between Bruggen and Emmerich won't matter. Believe me, I do this a few times each month and normally I breeze past Emmerich and Hamminkeln towards clubs I want to visit. Or I cross the border at Venlo (smack in between Yin Yang and Golden Time).

It is trite to say WG are humans with a wide spectrum of fluidly changing interests. Common sense for sure. However, most women do not naturally spread their legs for cash several times in an evening with random guys. This centers around their desire for money and the male urge to hump pretty things. Some girls blow the cash on BS as fast as they make it. Others save. Some support their families that are poor. It is easy to forget that large parts of Europe are very poor and quite isolated. For girls there, marriage and children is the only real path. The big cities beckon with excitement and money and a bit of adventure. It is easy to see the attraction. Young women can be promiscuous and have real biological sexual urges, and WG's tell me that they get used to lots of cock and tend to miss it after a break. Others not.

One could generalize ad infinitum. This is an ancient trade that probably goes back to the start of modern humans over 40,000 years ago. Having said that, the paradigm shift of Piston's has some DNA barriers in the form of behavior and plenty of powerful social and economic vested interests in perpetuating reproduction of economic units for profit, whether by tax or charging money for stuff, or selling data as in the modern economy.

In the meantime, how wonderful is to have clean clubs, safety, a huge range of eye candy you can screw for a relatively modest cost and without complications? It is completely consensual in places like Germany, just good clean fun. The outrage is that men get to have the fun of this platter and women don't as they are not interested in a bar full of men to screw them. They are alive to the fact FKK's and prostitution in general directly competes with their limited time window to snag a man and weakens the availability of commitment to a long term subscription when men can buy ala carte.

It's just how the tension is.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2285045].... then of course it will not be subject to the July 2017 German laws,[/QUOTE]Why will it not be subject to German Law, if it is to be located in Emmerich which is in Germany?

I was asked a couple of times on ISG why most of the FKK WGs are from Romania (while vast majority of the WGs in real German brothels are non-Romanian-and-Bulgarian) and I didn't answer the question at that time due to my respect to FKK fans here. Since we are talking about the rudeness of FKK WGs and I have some time these days, I think that now it is right time to give my view of this question which I think helps understanding difficult work FKK WGs face.

FKK club environment is much more DEGRADING environment for the WGs than the environment of real brothels which I am a frequent customer of. WGs are human beings and they have their dignity too despite their line of work. I often had small talk with the WGs in the brothels about FKK club and almost all of them said that working in FKK club is just too low for them, meaning it is like in meat market and the WGs are treated like animals. They usually also said that 50 euro for half hour is also too low for them and they have to work long hours a day if they work in FKK.

So if FKK WGs are unfriendly or rude, we should understand they have difficult work not only physically, but also mentally and psychologically.

In my opinion since I know Dutch culture a little after many years living in Netherlands, Dutch FKK clubs owned by Dutch will never reach to the same level as German FKK clubs owned by German in terms of WG's service, because Dutch culture is very liberal unlike German culture and Dutch people in general are much more liberal than German people. So if a club is managed by Dutch, the club culture would usually be liberal and the Dutch managers would use hands-off approach to the WG's service and this usually means lousy WG's service.

I have never been to YY and other Dutch FKK clubs, but I am pretty sure that the WG's services in those clubs are not good compared to the equivalent German clubs because of culture difference.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2285046]There have been clubs in Emmerich before (Fun Garden, Lekker Ding), but they always struggle. Schuttdorf is near the border as well and Golden Dreams always struggled to get decent line ups, until they left. Just 20 miles down the A3 from Emmerich you have SC Venus and Gallardo (previously Marisol), all of which struggle to get anything going that resembles the bigger clubs (although Venus can be nice for a few hours). Simply put, (I think) that far north there aren't enough people to make clubs with many girls successful. Neither in Germany nor in the Netherlands. If you are travelling from the bigger Ducth cities (Amsterdam, Utrecht, Rotterdam), you'll be on the road for a while anyway and the difference between Bruggen and Emmerich won't matter. Believe me, I do this a few times each month and normally I breeze past Emmerich and Hamminkeln towards clubs I want to visit. Or I cross the border at Venlo (smack in between Yin Yang and Golden Time).[/QUOTE]Well hopefully they do it right. 30 euro entry to start helps bring in some locals. They're giving girls 2 months of free entry. With the recent closure of Penelope and soon to be suspension of Yin Yang, perhaps the stars will align for them to recruit some talent. Considering their location, perhaps the best case scenario is GoldenTime if it is German run. The worst case scenario is perhaps Acapulco Velbert.