East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Free2;2290153]Can someone please explain to me why the pricing is so high in China? In USA it doesn't cost anything like 3000 rmb ($450!) or 1700 rmb ($250!) for a lay.

I just don't get it. USA is a 1st class country where you can get a lay from an nice online girl or escort for $100- 150 easy. Why doesn't China have that? Who in their right mind would pay to bang a Viet or anything in China for so much money when we can get better girls for much less in USA? Just next door to China sex is dirt cheap. WHY?? Am I missing something? Do cheap lays exist in China? If so, how to find them? (Honest questions for an upcoming first timer)[/QUOTE]You're confusing several things. The 2000-3000 sauna girls are for the upper and upper middle class Shanghai locals. Remember this is Shanghai, which is the wealthiest or second wealthiest city in China and relative to the number of Chinese guys who can afford that price, the supply of sauna hookers is relatively low. The saunas are usually busy. The Korean and Japanese business travelers also love these places.

The 1000-1500 RMB Viets are mostly for Westerners. I don't now where you find online hookers for 100-150 USD but not where I live. Comparatively speaking the Viets are better value than what I can get in my city, even though they're a pretty shitty value when you consider other places in the world like the Philippines.

The middle class Chinese locals rarely go to saunas and their main source of women are the QQ and WeChat girls that cost 400-500 a pop.

So basically your "3000 RMB" covers only one segment of China's P4P scene and the prices overall are in-line with the actual market.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2290244]This GEM in these pictures is out and out the BEST Viet I have ever had in SH - it was August 2010 and I cut her from the herd at Manhattan (Existing Location) - oh and 'They are REAL and they are SPECTACULAR)[/QUOTE]Stunning bone structure. And everything else you said already. Pics of the week IMHO.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2290270] This trip may be my last trip for a long time. I have been negotiating at 1200 ($180). Because frankly at $30 more I am hagggling less and I don't care.[/QUOTE]Sam, I tried to send you a PM, but your inbox seems full.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290305]$100-150? Where do I find these girls? (I'm me if you'the rather not say publically). My experience is I can get an older or chunkier girl for $200. Any girl that is Manhattan worthy in the US will be $400/ HR minimum. So do tell where you can find a $100 beauty in the US?[/QUOTE]Are you and Free2 quoting FS prices at AMPS in the USA? The owner of the Patriots recently got busted at an AMP in FL that only offers HJs (I have reliable intel that the spa that he visited is just a happy ending place). [URL]https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/us/robert-kraft-solicitation/index.html[/URL].

Upon reading about this raid, I googled AMPS and raids, and apparently they are happening all over the USA So, maybe even these options are soon to disappear entirely. BTW, I can confirm that you can get FS with 8's in AMPS in the states, but depends on the state. House fee is 50-70, while tip for FS is 100-160.

Don't forget Manhattan used to house a variety of ethnicities before the wall to wall array of Viets. Here is the best Mongolian I had from Manhattan. Mum was Mongol and Dad a Russian. I actually nailed her older sister out of Maggies in BJ couple months earlier and when I saw this gem I thought it was her. They could pass for IDENTICAL twins.

And one of Spanish flavour. All the way from Barcelona:

As I mentioned was not that long ago you could black a dark skinned gem from Judys. But alas those days are gone. Hopefully they will return.

This is a 21 yo Kenyan beauty. God I loved this girl. From 3 years ago and we are still in contact but she is back home building a career for herself:

(Tell me when you are sick of the pics and I will stop posting).

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2290667]Don't forget Manhattan used to house a variety of ethnicities before the wall to wall array of Viets. Here is the best Mongolian I had from Manhattan. Mum was Mongol and Dad a Russian. I actually nailed her older sister out of Maggies in BJ couple months earlier and when I saw this gem I thought it was her. They could pass for IDENTICAL twins.[/QUOTE]What a timely post. I hope to try my first Mongolian girl from Maggie's about 2 weeks hence. Anything to know about Maggie's that differs? Or is it basically Manhattan in Beijing?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290693]What a timely post. I hope to try my first Mongolian girl from Maggie's about 2 weeks hence. Anything to know about Maggie's that differs? Or is it basically Manhattan in Beijing?[/QUOTE]Lets keep BJ posting to BJ thread. Ask a Q there mate.

I hung out at judys last night forever. Loving the vibe getting tequila poured down my throat by hot bar babes. Swung back to manhattans to look around. Male female ratio still off. Saw a real stunner there. It was early and I wasn't ready. I went back later and of course she was gone. Back to judys.

Girls were thinning out and recycling back through. I saw a couple of interest but met a wing man I didn't know and we were having a good night swapping stories. About 230. I got ready to go. There was a little 28 YO spinner named HA. We had been talking most of the night. She kept eyeing me. I offered 1000 for two pops. I figured she would jump. Her girlfriend had pointed me out. Yuwen from an earlier post. Since the girl knew I paid 1400 for delivery to pudong. She was mad about the offer. She said 1500.

I held firm and walked away. She kept eyeing me. I went and talked to a couple other girls letting her know she lose a customer finally I offered 1200 two pops. She took it. Back to the hotel. Yes it was a lot of play and wasted time but it was sport. Almost didn’t care if I went back alone. A long week and all

She's 40 kg I doubt 5 feet tall. Nice little spinner body. Tight pussy. She brought her own KY and loves DATY. We showered, BJ standard routine and a good Finish. She stayed after and we cuddled. She asked to stay the night. Had been telling me all along she liked me. I can only sleep alone. Sent her on her way and in bed to sleep by 4 am.

So I bent or broke the 2 pop rule. Maybe it's not possible anymore but I really didn't try enough girls and my price for this trip is known well at judys. Ether way 1000 will still get you through. 1200 can get you 2 with some later in the night.

Ratings are subjective but I figure below for most of you.

HA.

Cute body - 8 if you like spinners and no silicone or tattoos.

Face. -7/8. I Say 7. 5.

Attitude / performance 7/8.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2290669]And one of Spanish flavour. All the way from Barcelona:[/QUOTE]No one will get tired of photos m8! Though are you a native Spanish speaker? If not she's probably lying to you and she's from Latin America. I've seen some Colombians and Venezuelans working in these two bars. Why would a girl from Spain work in SH? Reading the Barcelona thread, even there most girls are from Latin America or somewhere else in Europe.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2290495]You're confusing several things. The 2000-3000 sauna girls are for the upper and upper middle class Shanghai locals. Remember this is Shanghai, which is the wealthiest or second wealthiest city in China and relative to the number of Chinese guys who can afford that price, the supply of sauna hookers is relatively low. The saunas are usually busy. The Korean and Japanese business travelers also love these places.

The 1000-1500 RMB Viets are mostly for Westerners. I don't now where you find online hookers for 100-150 USD but not where I live. Comparatively speaking the Viets are better value than what I can get in my city, even though they're a pretty shitty value when you consider other places in the world like the Philippines.

The middle class Chinese locals rarely go to saunas and their main source of women are the QQ and WeChat girls that cost 400-500 a pop.

So basically your "3000 RMB" covers only one segment of China's P4P scene and the prices overall are in-line with the actual market.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. What is QQ?

[QUOTE=Free2;2290994]Thanks for that. What is QQ?[/QUOTE]QQ is a messaging app like WeChat owned by the same company.

The high price you see now is a result of supply being choked. The reduction of supply affects prices of other countries too. Chinese are not all rich. That is why many Chinese go to other SEA countries. This increases demand in other countries and causes the price to go up. It is very obvious if you go to KTVs in Vietnam. They don't even have enough girls for mongers.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2290921]No one will get tired of photos m8! Though are you a native Spanish speaker? If not she's probably lying to you and she's from Latin America. I've seen some Colombians and Venezuelans working in these two bars. Why would a girl from Spain work in SH? Reading the Barcelona thread, even there most girls are from Latin America or somewhere else in Europe.[/QUOTE]100% guarantee she is Spanish. Passports do not lie.

Last day in Shanghai met ha again mid day. She was more friendly and happy to see me again. Went to judys and manhattans that night not sure I had it in me. Saw a stunner at manhattans for 2000. Over to judys, took Lilly of the first. Night. I Told her I didn't know if I could pop a third time in 20 hours but she would be the one to do it. Back in the room multiple positions teabagged me and licks me from front to back with deep penetration of my butt with her tongue.

I ride her for a long time she rides me. Its Not going to happen she finished me with an long fast HJ and a finger up the butt. Nasty girl I Love her. hahaa. Score for the week 9 sessions 10 pops and 7 different gifs in 8 days with a very full work week.
A fitting end.


Midwestern you are hereby challenged! Haha

This may be it for me in Shanghai. I dont know if I will make it back there anytime soon if ever again. I will continue to post as long as I have relevant data. I have tried to give back as many have to me when I started. You may see me in other countries as things unfold

I truly enjoyed Shanghai

For now samcan out!!!!

[QUOTE=SamCan;2291515]Last day in Shanghai met ha again mid day. She was more friendly and happy to see me again. Went to judys and manhattans that night not sure I had it in me. Saw a stunner at manhattans for 2000. Over to judys, took Lilly of the first. Night. I Told her I didn't know if I could pop a third time in 20 hours but she would be the one to do it. Back in the room multiple positions teabagged me and licks me from front to back with deep penetration of my butt with her tongue.

I ride her for a long time she rides me. Its Not going to happen she finished me with an long fast HJ and a finger up the butt. Nasty girl I Love her. hahaa. Score for the week 9 sessions 10 pops and 7 different gifs in 8 days with a very full work week.
A fitting end.

This may be it for me in Shanghai. I dont know if I will make it back there anytime soon if ever again. I will continue to post as long as I have relevant data. I have tried to give back as many have to me when I started. You may see me in other countries as things unfold

I truly enjoyed Shanghai

For now samcan out!!!![/QUOTE]SamCan you have done yourself and the forum proud. Thanks for all the give-back. Manhattan is the first stop on my tour so I will be ready for two pops and see if I can channel the SamCan magic. I promise a full report out as usual. Thanks again for keeping the girls busy during my extended absence.