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I have never been to YY and other Dutch FKK clubs, but I am pretty sure that the WG's services in those clubs are not good compared to the equivalent German clubs because of culture difference.[/QUOTE]I have been to YY and the service was the same as I received in German FKK's except nobody tried to upsell BBBJ at YY. It was 50 E with BBBJ & DATY!
[QUOTE=Tom525;2285019]Thanks to all for their great posts.
This summer I have two weeks of free time and I thought it would be fun to tour Germany and Switzerland just to visit FKK clubs.
Having been to several clubs in Berlin and Stuttgart I enjoyed the experience but am curious about the large clubs.
Any suggestions are welcome and I plan to travel between cities by train.
Thanks again.[/QUOTE]In Frankfurt you can travel by train close to Sharks, Oase & Mainhatten but you will need a cab to get to the club from the train stop. These clubs have a lot of upsell so expect to pay 100 E for 1/2 HR with BBBJ.
I prefer the somewhat smaller clubs up North in the Cologne area such as Babylon Koln & Samya. 1/2 HR with BBBJ is 50 E for most girls. Further north to Dusseldorf Area I liked Acapulco (40 E girls) & GoldenTime (50 E girls) . On the way to Switzerland I stopped at FKK Sakura in Stuttgart. It was a nice club and girls were 50 E. I never made it to any Swiss clubs yet! It is much better to use a rental car especially up North.
I have heard the exact opposite regarding what is degrading than what Bfsie describes. But I suppose different girls have different views. And also, one shouldn't buy into everything we hear. When it comes to dutch clubs, SixSense would also contradict Bfsie's argument.
Phallus: Never underestimate a paradigm change. And even capitalism changes like an organism. Everything in society does.
I asked a girl once if she kissed her customers. She responded that she did not. She claimed she was there for sex. Not for love. And that kissing would feel degrading to her. Then I pointed out the french greeting culture. Four kisses on the cheeks just to say Hi. But she claimed that was 'cultural'.
'Yeah, exactly' was what I responded. 'But one guy also must first have introduced that kiss greeting. And maybe he received a few slaps on his face before people agreed to it. Now everybody does it. The thing is, if you want something to make you feel bad, you feel bad about it. If you want something to make you feel good, you feel good about it. ' I don't think I have to explain the morals of the story here, but there is a certain link to the enlightenment. Martin Luther etc etc.
After that I saw her sitting by herself thinking about it for what must have been 20 minutes. Beautiful girl. I didn't approach her again. If people let the world around them choose what they are to think or believe in, then let them. We cannot change what people believe in. For this girl, the result was less income. But she was faithful to her beliefs. Considering she also seemed to have chosen this job, then believing parts of what she did was degrading, was probably something she had picked up from other people, or the environment around her. But with a truly liberal mindset she would think for herself. But as mentioned in my last post, and Takedown hinted at also, framed words such as 'w. Ore', and 'ho. Oker' have been brought out into public discourse for a purpose by certain interest groups in order to program non liberal individuals. And this is why religious people are having the hardest time also accepting the trade of sex for money. Since they have already once given up their free mind to the idea that there is something out there that is beyond human capabilities and know how. And that we should listen to the hierarchy and leaders of current belief systems. And as the story goes, all the cultist brainwashing moves onwards with rituals, ceremonies, celebrations and holy books of morals without reasoning. Ad infinitum.
The main paradigm change which has barely started, and hardly many, if even any world leaders get a slight graps of the boundaries of today, is the information age. And the internet in particular. Eventually it will make the enlightenment turn into a baby step of a mouse.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2283015]For me, it is not jealousy, but at the beginning of mongering life, I did have this feeling that wow how does such girl like this good end up in prostitution industry? This feeling I still have when I meet really beautiful girl both inside and out, but I never let me have illusion of any kind because in the end, we are in brothel world where GFE experience and sex are given in exchange for money we pay.[/QUOTE]I always have this question to my self when I meet a really beautiful girl inside and out and I see her opening wide her legs for every dirty monger. We men tend to confuse the outside look with what is inside. We think that just because she is nice and beautiful she should do a 'better' job, we feel shame for her.
This is not always good because sometimes we want to 'help' her get out of this shit.
[QUOTE=Bfsie;2285154] ... Dutch FKK clubs owned by Dutch will never reach to the same level as German FKK clubs owned by German in terms of WG's service....[/QUOTE]I should re-write above: ... Dutch FKK clubs owned by Dutchs on average will never reach to the same level as German FKK clubs owned by ETHNIC Germans in terms of WG's service...
[QUOTE=Bfsie;2285154]
I have never been to YY and other Dutch FKK clubs, but I am pretty sure that the WG's services in those clubs are not good compared to the equivalent German clubs because of culture difference [/QUOTE]I should re-write above: I have never been to YY and other Dutch FKK clubs, but I am pretty sure that the WG's services in those clubs on average are not good compared to the equivalent German clubs owned by ethnic Germans because of culture difference. I can’t imagine any Dutch club provides the same (or better) quality of WG’s service as GT or Babylon for example.
[QUOTE=Bfsie;2285221]I should re-write above: ... Dutch FKK clubs owned by Dutchs on average will never reach to the same level as German FKK clubs owned by ETHNIC Germans in terms of WG's service...[/QUOTE]I never noticed a gap in service at either Sixsens or Yin Yang compared to any German club. Any gap was in LU.
[QUOTE=XXL;2285227]I never noticed a gap in service at either Sixsens or Yin Yang compared to any German club. Any gap was in LU.[/QUOTE]I said compared to the German clubs owned by ETHNIC Germans. Is there no difference between GT or Babylon and YY or Sixtens? Yes, if you compare them with German clubs owned by Turkish Germans, yes, there is no difference.
[QUOTE=Bfsie;2285230]I said compared to the German clubs owned by ETHNIC Germans. Is there no difference between GT or Babylon and YY or Sixtens? Yes, if you compare them with German clubs owned by Turkish Germans, yes, there is no difference.[/QUOTE]Before making such a drastic assumption, a good idea for you next time might be to visit SixSense.
I do agree to a small extent with you regarding the long hours girls in FKK's work however. The entry fee's they pay are the problem though. But it is not the customers fault. It is partly the fault of the clubs, and partly the fault of the regulators who state that girls are not allowed to work for a club. So they basically have to pay entry fees. However, it is an unsocial problem hitting less popular girls harder than the more popular ones. Again a problem caused mainly by the regulators who claim they are so wise and just.
[QUOTE=Bfsie;2285230]I said compared to the German clubs owned by ETHNIC Germans. Is there no difference between GT or Babylon and YY or Sixtens? Yes, if you compare them with German clubs owned by Turkish Germans, yes, there is no difference.[/QUOTE]I see your point regarding German management but also important is having a large contingent of ethnic German clientele. They seem to keep the standards high and spending expectation from girls low. However the problem with German owned clubs is that with the exception of GT, optic levels are usually lower compared to other clubs. Clubs like Babylon, Finca, LR generally keep a smaller line up with unspectacular optics.
[QUOTE=TankTank123;2285082]Why will it not be subject to German Law, if it is to be located in Emmerich which is in Germany?[/QUOTE]Ok. Stupid me. I was thinking it was just across the border in Netherlands. Apologies everybody for my stupid post. I am suffering from the Great British disease of believing that everything in mainland Europe will be as we want it to be, regardless of reality.
At least Free Dude wrote a sensible post
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2284720]I wasn't trying to start a relationship, I was pay g a lady for sex. I got exactly what I wanted from her, sex acts purchased in 30 minute blocks. That day on the street I was simply being courteous to someone I recognized.[/QUOTE]You are in denial.
"Pain is a treasure, for it contains mercies. " -- Rumi.
"Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding. " -- Khalil Gibran.
"Fuck the pain away! Fuck the pain away!" -- The Teaches of Peaches.
[QUOTE=Bfsie;2285152]I often had small talk with the WGs in the brothels about FKK club and almost all of them said that working in FKK club is just too low for them, meaning it is like in meat market and the WGs are treated like animals. They usually also said that 50 euro for half hour is also too low for them and they have to work long hours a day if they work in FKK.[/QUOTE]When I visit Germany I always choose the FKK's, have I been missing out on better service? But how much would it cost?
I think another problem I would have is that I like the atmosphere of the FKK where there's the ideal of spending a day at a "spa" with lots of girls, it's more an experience whereas a brothel visit sounds more like choosing a girl from a very small selection, do the deed and leave.
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2285353]You are in denial.
"Pain is a treasure, for it contains mercies. " -- Rumi.
"Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding. " -- Khalil Gibran.
"Fuck the pain away! Fuck the pain away!" -- The Teaches of Peaches.[/QUOTE]Some people do come from cultures where casual courtesy and friendliness are prioritized. Obviously not all people value friendly salutations as a way to maintain pleasant interactions.
As for the WG not wanting to be recognized in public, one must respect this. Telling you not to speak with her outside of the club, well, I suppose she should explain in a friendly way why she does not want this instead of such an angry and insulting manner.
My dear German FKK lounge buddies. I recall quite some talk about German FKK vs Globe. And of course beyond Globe prices there is Aphrodisia in downtown Zurich at a heartstopping 240€/ half hour.
I have sampled 2 girls at Aphrodisia and 3 at Globe and will be dropping posts in the Zurich and Globe forums over the next couple days. Aphrodisia already posted and two Globe girls. Kate and some comparisons and summary still to come.
Hope this is helpful to you.
P.S. Often there is discussion about girl names and does it help or not. I can say surely it does. I was able to grab Tina based on Marelobo Max's recommendation and I went with Kate, even tho too slim for me, based on Forum raves and she instantly vaulted into my top 5 all time! So YES the names are very helpful!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2285210]I have heard the exact opposite regarding what is degrading than what Bfsie describes. But I suppose different girls have different views. And also, one shouldn't buy into everything we hear. When it comes to dutch clubs, SixSense would also contradict Bfsie's argument.[/QUOTE]Paradigm changes happen slowly and organically, not abruptly through forcing abstract concepts that are irrelevant to the practical time frame. More often then not, they are too abstract and if abstract change is forced prematurely, it becomes disruptive to the ecosystem and in the end just fucks up the present.
Theory without practicality is a cousin to extremist ideology.