Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

I never saw that post, so I apologize for suggesting that you didn't do a field report on Jools. I appreciate you taking the time to argue your point -- it seems much more productive than ignoring / dismissing the points as is common with responses given by AV. (He has a right to his style, and he has already told me he doesn't care what I think)

Of course your ending comment "constant picking...of AV and others" seems off the mark since it is only AV that has come to my attention as a serial misinformer. I guess it could be perceived as picking, but my intent is not to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] anyone off, but to get to the truth....as we have done here!

As for AV's visa post, I did not mean to imply that it wasn't informative. It was informative and it answered the original question. You complimented him and went so far as to suggest he had inside info at PI immigration. This piqued my interest so I searched for Phillipines + visa and found the same info - verbatim - in the top URL in my Google search. Maybe AV is an English proofreader at the Justice Ministry. Which probably means I'll have trouble next time I try to get in country!

There was a lot of other info there so I posted the URL. It really hurt me that no one complimented me. :-)

Once again, sorry for not doing my homework and missing your original Makati / Jools field report.

X






[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]FROM MY MAKATI 2 REPORT POSTED 2nd WEEK OF MARCH 2008!!!

We went further up the street as far as Joules/Davino Bar which was described as an Exclusive Gentleman’s Club. It is certainly the best looking place, superbly fitted out, nice music with an excellent standard of girls. Actually it is a total RIP OFF with beers at PHP 250 and ladydrinks at 750 for a single Baileys !!! There are no barfines possible either, but the girls are very keen to pass fone numbers and do sneak-outs on the side, basically cos there are hardly any customers and those who do go in, like us they find out the price and only stay for one drink. A great place if you want to sit and throw lots of money away, otherwise, give it a miss.

No Field Report, No info - MY ARSE


To quote you - Sorry if I am mistaken, maybe i am wrong, perhaps it was an oversight etc etc

In my book = Peddling Backwards



Yes maybe, but at least AV's Visa Info Post was informative and I am not the only one to comment upon it having validity here.

Wake up and smell the coffee X, we are fed up with the constant picking at AV and others that is being practised here.

You are an informative guy, get on with it please.

F/Fifty[/QUOTE]

I just realized that I posted quite a long message (an apology to 50) that was off topic here at Filipinas thread. Let me do penance by trying to change the topic.

Any contact with Philippines culture and you will come across the word "ate", which I think can be translated as Auntie or older sis, but has a lot of nuances. You'll find similar things elsewhere in Asia, and I assume it's Confucian influence. Hmm, I know there are a lot of Chinese in Philippines (and the rest of SE Asia), but I don't know the history. I'll have to study that a bit.

You may have read posts here at ISG that implied the oldest daughter has to support the parents in their old age and sometimes the younger siblings as they make their way through the education system. That is "ate"...a position of power and respect and heavy responsibility.

In most of East Asia, that responsibility falls on the eldest male. (***see foot note).

In Phil. it falls on the eldest female.

Filipinas will also refer to senior status women as "ate". It is a word of respect...and respecting seniority and class is important in most of Asia.

I don't live in the Philippines and I won't pretend to be an expert...hope someone will pick up the thread from here....

***: enjoy the Philippines now, as there will soon be approx. 30million surplus men in China and other Chinese influenced cultures in SE ASIA, not to mention Korea. Modern tech, old fashioned ingenuity, and one -child policy means that families who favor boys, have boys. I just had dinner with a Malaysian/C guy who was the third sibling....two older sisters. He assured me that he would not have been born if one of his siblings had been a male. BTW, Japan seems to be the only sensible one in this respect. Most have no prediliction for males.

X

[QUOTE=X Man]Any contact with Philippines culture and you will come across the word "ate", which I think can be translated as Auntie or older sis, but has a lot of nuances. You'll find similar things elsewhere in Asia, and I assume it's Confucian influence. Hmm, I know there are a lot of Chinese in Philippines (and the rest of SE Asia), but I don't know the history. I'll have to study that a bit.

X[/QUOTE]Thanks for that X.

Lovers of the Philippine culture (or maybe just lovers of Filipinas) might also like to be aware of the use of the word Kuya as the word will often be applied to them (as in Kuya X Man). It is a term of respect which means older brother in the same way that Ate means older sister and is in frequent use. It is used by younger Filipino's of both sexes to an older and respected relative but is often heard outside the family group when a younger person is addressing you in a respectful and deferential manner.

Don't be alarmed if a Filipino call you Kuya (pronounced Queer), they are not imputing that you are a turd burgler but are been very polite and would be most put out if you punched their lights out

GH

[QUOTE=Skip Kost]What a great way to change the topic, GH. Problem is, how do we know the equipment in these photos actually belongs to you, or that you're not retouching the photos? For that matter, there's a trick anglers use in which they have their fish on a stringer and extend the fish way out toward the camera. This gets the fish much closer to the camera, and when seen in perspective against their bodies, which are much further away, the fish look gigantic. I'd make a point of checking whether you do this in future photos, except that would mean I'd really gone weird about what in the photo is really important. Just kidding. :)

Okay, so in this latest photo with what you claim to have blacked out as part of your body, maybe the Pinay's fingers being spread out this way has nothing to do with measuring. I'd sooner believe maybe she thinks she's looking at an eel, and it's squirming all around to avoid capture, so her fingers are spread out to increase the contact area for grabbing the eel's head. Now you've got to admit, watching a Pinay try to grab an eel by the head is a hell of a lot funnier than having her try to measure some guy's genitalia.[/QUOTE]HAHAHEHE Bugger me - you must live in an interesting world Slip. Either that or you have been sniffing your typex fluid.

I did say that it was the best photo example of the phenomenom I was describing but not perfect. You can almost see the expression of shock and wonderment on her face as she contemplated the near future certainty that said object would soon be buried to its hilt up her tight little snatch.

As to squirming eels and slippery fish, I think you must definately be a monger - a fishmonger:) Admittedly I do go overboard on the KY sometimes -the girls insist on it you know - erm its a size thing :D

Yours in jest GH

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[QUOTE=X Man] <snip>...As for AV's visa post, I did not mean to imply that it wasn't informative. It was informative and it answered the original question. You complimented him and went so far as to suggest he had inside info at PI immigration. This piqued my interest so I searched for Phillipines + visa and found the same info - verbatim - in the top URL in my Google search. Maybe AV is an English proofreader at the Justice Ministry. Which probably means I'll have trouble next time I try to get in country!

There was a lot of other info there so I posted the URL. It really hurt me that no one complimented me. :-) <snip>

X[/QUOTE]X Man this is refering to a converation in another PI forum.
I ask that you delete it & at least repost in the relevant forum.
Any further flaming or trolling & I get Jackson to start deleting again.
Have a nice day.
AV

* member is now on my ignore list

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Don't be alarmed if a Filipino call you Kuya (pronounced Queer), they are not imputing that you are a turd burgler but are been very polite and would be most put out if you punched their lights out

GH[/QUOTE]
Hi GH, just a small point, Tagalog speakers are actually pronouncing the word kuya as coo'-yah.
Its easy to misunderstand I guess for ears used to different accents.

In everyday taglish you will often hear people address men as 'Boss', 'Kuya' or just add the suffix 'Pa' at the end of a sentence or prepend 'Pare' at the beginiing of a sentence . There is a whole subculture of Taglish slang as well.

Quick reference [url]http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kuya[/url]

Tagalog speakers are pronouncing the word ate as ar'-tay.
In colloquial usage is often shortened to 'Te (Pronouned as 'Tay)
Careful with this, the Tagalog word for shit is Tae.. ;)

The vowels are soft in Tagalog unlike our anglicised hard pronunciation of vowels.

Are your eyes glazed yet?
Lots of info about all the languages of this diverse country here
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Philippines[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagalog_language[/url]
[url]http://pinoyslang.com/[/url]

Cheers mate
AV

This is over the top -- we suddenly have a few NEW members who immediately compliment AV or name-call him. If an ISG member is using multiple personalities to increase PI thread antagonism, then he should be ashamed of himself.

[QUOTE=Proudpinoy]After several trip to the PI, I was told about this website by my some fellas I met in Cebu. It's a small world but I met Armavida before. Talk about an ugly foreigner. Loud, obnoxious, and rubs everyone the wrong way. Just ignore him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amavida]Hi GH, just a small point, Tagalog speakers are actually pronouncing the word kuya as coo'-yah.

Its easy to misunderstand I guess for ears used to different accents.[/QUOTE]Tell you what AV, like yourself probably, I get called Kuya a lot (by younger family members) and I can assure you that, to the untrained ear, and in that singular Pinoy accent, it sounds just like queer.

It was quite disconcerting until I became used to it.

GH

[QUOTE=X Man]This is over the top -- we suddenly have a few NEW members who immediately compliment AV or name-call him. If an ISG member is using multiple personalities to increase PI thread antagonism, then he should be ashamed of himself.[/QUOTE]


Hmmmm, Smoke and Mirrors comes to mind here ;)

Snipe Snipe Snipe, Gripe Gripe Gripe, give it a rest please.

Chees F/Fifty

Sorry fifty, but that wasn't very helpful.

I don't like to see new faces come on and immediately start name calling or giving personal attacks. I'm not sure what is going on, but it should be discouraged.

X

Looking at the recent topics and posts I forgot :)

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Tell you what AV, like yourself probably, I get called Kuya a lot (by younger family members) and I can assure you that, to the untrained ear, and in that singular Pinoy accent, it sounds just like queer.

It was quite disconcerting until I became used to it.

GH[/QUOTE]
To my ear it sounds like coo ya, always clear to me, in some parts I only got called by my name it was only the young ones called me kuya. I also got called manong. I haven't been everywhere or heard everything.

Maybe you are referring to the Jools discussion. Sorry, I am 50% to blame for that. I was trying to make sense of what someone was saying in the "Filipina" thread, and he apparently assumed I had read his post in the "Makati" thread -- a thread I rarely read.

My bad.

X

[QUOTE=D Etat]Looking at the recent topics and posts I forgot :)[/QUOTE]

I heard a Filipina friend use the expression "kuya" when calling a waiter. I think he was about her age or older. I asked her if I could use the term to call the waiter and she gave an ambigious answer (which probably meant "no").

I think "ate" and "kuya" are used in both Luzon and Visayans. How about Mindanao?

BB, do you remember where you were when you were called manong.

Back to "ate", you hear this a lot in the bars, sometimes to Mamasan, but also to other girls. Is it purely an age thing or does seniority at the place of employment also create the senior / junior status and the accompanying use of honorifics?

X



[QUOTE=Bilbo Baggins]To my ear it sounds like coo ya, always clear to me, in some parts I only got called by my name it was only the young ones called me kuya. I also got called manong. I haven't been everywhere or heard everything.[/QUOTE]