Been here for almost a week
Well been here for almost a week and had some drama by an ex that is now working back at treasure Island. This is my 6th trip here and learned that you don't get to personally involved with girls unless you want some serrious drama. Learned that way back when on my first trip. Word of advice to newbies that go to ac. Many many and then there is many more girls to choose. But know this, it is a small area and the girls have friends who have friends and you will be seen. I think when I first came to ac I enjoyed the allure of Dollhouse, Lollipop, Treasure Island, and Champayne. Of course you have to throw Cambodia club in there too. But I have found that the clubs at other end tend to be a little more less pressure and the girls are alot more pleasing. I have a friend that I bf from Touch of Class. I will say that experience with here is by far the best I have had in ac. There are some chunky girls in some of these bars but there are some stunners as well. I am currently staying at Clarkton which I like. I am in the new building which really has some nice rooms that are as comparable to Pacific Breeze or wild orchid and the price is P2900 a night. They give you a small discount if stay a week or month. Well I be back in states on the 3rd for full trip details and yes pictures are on there way. I will quickly note that there are some changes on Santos street since my visit here in August. Anyway. Got to tend to my sleeping beauty in bed. A web cam girl I met the last time here!
Pros and Cons of Angeles vs. Pattaya
Optimus Prime gave what he belies is "more of a fair comparison of Pattaya vs. AC. " than wazza's version. I know both very well and have been to both more than 10 times each and offer these comments on OP's list.
1. Hotels better in Pattaya and more variety at cheaper rates.
Agree
2. Food better and more variety in Pattaya. Filipino food is aweful but plenty of western food in AC if thats your thing.
SLIGHT advantage to Pattaya but not nearly as big a difference as many suggest. Especially since SM opened, you can eat very well in AC. CERTAINLY food should NOT be the deciding factor which place to visit.
3. Safety a non-issue in both places really. Just don't pick up streetwalkers in AC as police setups are common.
By safety he means crime, but carnage on Pattaya roads is much worse due to drunken falang on motorbikes. In AC, you can walk most everywhere you would want to go (Perimeter road is a hike but frequent jeepneys make it easy to get around). Pattaya is MUCH larger and more spread out.
4. Pattaya cleaner, more modern and at least near water where you can take a short boat ride to some small islands like Kho Larn.
Agreed.
5. English widely spoken in AC and Filpinas are dumb as rocks so its much easier to persuading them into doing just about anything.
IMHO Filipinas are actually smarter and more educated than most Thais I have met. They are more AGREEABLE, not dumber.
6. GFE more available in AC. Girls are looking for a husband that won't mind that she is a hooker. Filipinas are desperate, Thai girls not so much as Thailand is more of a developing nation.
Agreed, and this above all other reasons is why guys seeking GFE should skip Thailand entirely. Those seeking as much sex with as many partners as possible should opt for Thailand.
Looks of the monger are of zero importance to Filipinas, as long as he treats her decent and has plenty of pisos for her and her pamily.
Disagree with this. Yes ugly guys get laid too but hardly different than Pattaya.
Condoms almost unheard of in AC but VD is rampant. Condom use about 50/50 in Thailand but VD pretty rare.
COMPLETELY UNTRUE. Don't take my word for it, Research this yourself. The poster knows not of which he speaks. AT ALL. In fact, STD incidence is MUCH higher in Thailand. Of EVERY type, not just HIV incidence which is higher by a factor of 100 or so.
The STD problem is Thailand is a major reason why guys who do BB should avoid Thailand (or Burma, Cambodia, China or Vietnam, all of which have WAY higher rates of STD infection than Indonesia or the Philippines).
7. Hygiene of AC girls the worst of any mongering destination. Many of that have only been there a couple times have not experienced this but stinkbox is common in AC, especially with the FOB girls with little education of hygiene and many just let the creampie just stew in their pussy without douche. Thai girls place a huge importance on cleanliness (Buddhist philosophy) and it is common for Thai girls to take showers before and after the deed. You will actually see a Thai girl squat down in the shower and use the shower head to clean themselves thorougly. You will never see the AC Samar girls do this. I have to bring feminine wash with me and have the girls use it. They are clueless when I give it to them and think its some kind of voodoo potion or something.
Disagree. The Thai OBSESSION with showering every few minutes is almost a psychological dysfunction IMHO. Some may like it, I find it extremely annoying. If 30 minutes has passed since the last shower, any spontaneity is destroyed by a "we shower again now". I have often debated never leaving the shower and just doing the deed there to save unnecessary time and walking back and forth.
Because of the easy of getting regular girls, I do VERY few hookers in Angeles but over many years going there have not had any problem with pekpek mamabajo (stinky pussy) or poor hygenie. Never had the problem in Thailand either
8. Thai girls are 10 times more beautiful than FIlipinas in AC.
Taste is subjective. Also, the guys who compare girls seen at Siam Paragon who will NEVER touch ANY falang, with bottom end hookers in AC brothels makes an unfair comparison. Most Pattaya hookers are Isaan girls, NOT the elite of Bangkok. And the good looking Filipinas give Angeles wide berth. The girls in the South are by and large more attractive IMHO.
There are stunning girls in the Phils but the ones in AC are normally from Leyte and Samar and are limited in looks. Lots of rice bellies in AC, very few in Pattaya. Filpinas like to eat more than they like to fuck.
Also thery love to SLEEP more. But certainly Filipinas enjoy sex more than Thais. There cannot even be a debate about that. Thais have sex because they are supposed to. They lack any real passion. While Filipinas are not quite up to Brazilian standards of passion, they are LIGHT YEARS ahead of the Thais. Ditto the Indonesians. Even the mercenary Vietnamese are much more passionate than Thais. EVERYTHING a Thai does is fake, from the smiles to the feigned orgasms. It is ALL SUPERFICIAL; pretty exterior but hollow and soulless inside.
Thats not to say there are no slim girls in AC but they are becoming more and more rare. I would say there are beautiful girls in AC but they are not plentiful and get barfined early. Your average AC bargirl has a flat wide nose, short stocky body, etc.
Over generalization but not entirely without foundation.
One thing I do love about AC girls is that many of them have long hair and full lips. Long hair becoming rare amongst Thai bargirls. Thai bargirls also like piercings and tatoos which is a big turnoff for me.
100% agree here; the tattos and piercings are a MAJOR turnoff; aso, more Pattaya girls smoke.
Tatoos and piercings rare in AC. Many guys believe that a girls service makes her beautiful or that beautiful girls don't give good service so they are scared to barfine them, especially old and fat guys. In Thailand you get looks and service but you can also get primadonna attitudes from the gogo girls. Primadonna attitudes exist in some of the Blue Nile bars but its actually pretty rare in AC.
AMEN. Agree 100%. I HATE Blue Nile as it reminds me of Thailand LOL
9. Pattaya has ladyboys that are much hotter than real girls so you have to be careful.
Agree.
10. Cherry girls are usually the hottest girls in many of the smaller bars. Kind of frustrating. Many girls are fake cherry girls and you will find that out once they get in the room. Menstruation thing is just a bargirls way of telling you she doesnt want to barfine. Girls make more money from lady drinks than from barfining so many are not motivated to barfine unless they think they can get you as a sponsor for her and her family.
Agree, although 1 LD nets a modest commission but MANY (as opposed to 1 BF) generates more pisos)
11. AC girls pleasant to talk to with a LD and are fun in the bar. Filpinas really look up to Euros, Ozzies and Americans. Thai girls hate foreigners deep down inside and just doing it for $. I speak Thai fluently so I pick up on all the comments.
THIS IS THE #1 REASON the Filipinas are more fun than Thais.
Filipinas not racist and actually like black guys as Filipinos have a similar look and military has been there for a long time with plenty of black GI's. Thai girls will go with black guys sometimes but many of the hot girls will refuse as it kills their business if their regulars find out, especially if the girl caters to Japanese or Korean clients. Thai girls are also racist towards Arabs and Indians, even if they are Americans or Euros. Filipinas will basically go with anyone as long as he doesnt stink and has pisos.
Overgeneralization. UPPER class Filipinos are VERY racist. And while perhaps less picky than the Pattaya Prima Donnas, an overstatement.
12. AC used to be a lot cheaper than Pattaya but its pretty much the same these days with a weak piso and rising barfine prices. ST is more of a norm in Pattaya but LT is no longer automatic in AC and many girls learning the way of multiple ST's. In general, AC is cheaper but Pattaya might be a better value.
Prices not that different due to STRONG Piso (you said weak and it is the DOLLAR that is weak).
13. AC is a third world shithole and there is little to do during your trip except fuck. Pattaya has amazing massage places, beaches, world class restaurants, etc. There is a great place called Hala Hotel and Spa in AC but its one of the few oasis you will see in AC other than going to the mall.
This is typical of the BS spewed by TOT and the ignorant. There is a fair bit of interesting things to do within an hour or two of AC, but most never find it (and it is not my place to help the lazy). The Pattaya/Jomtien beaches are so spoiled by coliform bacteria levels that swimming is a major health hazard. Then there is all the litter. The restaurants are MARGINALLY better. The soapy message places are better, no doubt. There is the elephant ride. Oh so exciting, then there are the katoey shows. It gets old after 3 or 4 days IMHO.
14. The locals in AC are way too involved in the scene. Tons of the dirbag local boyfriends roaming the streets at night and hanging out in front of Sky Traxx. Lots of tbirds (lesbians) prey on the new AC girls and hang out in front of the bars and try to chat up your barfine. Pisses me off to see the girls "brothers and cousins" in front of the bar or hanging out in the streets when the bars close to try to pick up on the girls. THai locals are only scene as workers in the service industry. Many of the THai girls have local bf's but you will never see them and never around the bar scene.
Agree with this. The AC trike drivers are scum of the earth, as are the Viagra vendors and other assorted human flotsam wandering the streets. But then there is Pattaya and the Indian suit vendors and other assorted salespeople pestering you along Beach Road. Then there is the sewage treatment plant at the beginning of walking street and the lovely smells you are subjected to as you pass.
One thing omitted which IMHO is a MAJOR advantage of AC:
15: NO HORDES OF BALD, TATTOED, DRUNKEN EUROTRASH GANGS looking to pick fights. That is a uniquely Thai "attraction". Or the Russian Pimps with their stables. Or the Arab quarter chockablocka with folks that hate farang even more than the Thias do.
I do agree with Optimus that everybody should try both and make up his own mind which he prefers.
