Angeles City

[QUOTE=TaipeiD; 1461092]I have been asked by many acquaintances about how to score 3p and 4p's in various countries. Here is my advice.

Well I hope this helps or at least is an enjoyable read for folks – next major mongering trip for us is to Pattaya in late September. Though my wife will be in Cebu on business next week – I'm wondering if she is going to call one of our regulars while there – I'm not sure if I should be jealous or not. We plan to be back in AC in November.[/QUOTE]Good to see your report came through. My experience mirrors yours in many places but there are some differences.

My wife and I have an open relationship and do more non-pros than pros. Pros are more for convenience than anything. If you open up to non-pros you gain access to many more women, especially in places like NYC (very easy to hook up group scenes. Craigslists, swinger clubs, etc). She actually likes when I hook up with other women while I'm on the road (which is most of the year) , especially if I can SMS her some pictures of the girls and the action. She also likes watching me go to work on girls, kissing and all, while she watches.

I have never tipped more than taxi money to a working girl who came with the two of us. Usually haven't even done that. The standard rates are high enough. Hasn't been an issue. I do usually tip mamasans the following day if they point us to a nice girl.

Haven't taken the wife to PI but have been wanting to try. Glad to see things worked out for you. May head there next time instead of Thailand. Thailand is good for the easy walk in places like Eden, Devil's Den, Honey, etc, where you can pick a bi girl or two immediately. Takes a little more work in the go gos which can either be fun or annoying.

Repeats are definitely a good bet when it comes to scoring pros for a couple anywhere. They are more comfortable and get into the vibe. We had one Thai girl spend 4 days in Phucket with us. Was supposed to be a ST score but ended up hitting it off so well my wife wanted to bring her along for the side beach trip. Absolutely awesome! By the fourth day it was like a harem. The girl knew exactly what both of us wanted. I was totally drained.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1461530]. Ideally, tips should be limited to performances extremely above and beyond the norm, and even then only in limited circumstances. Rates should be built in, and employees should receive a living wage so they don't have to ask for tips.

At most people would give some tryke money in the morning. 50 php. I would sometimes do it if the girl was nice and I had the spare change. If not, she could work it out on her own from the money I just paid her.

I don't think tipping should be connected to particular acts at all.[/QUOTE]An outstanding comment. Bravo your life. Pity stickies don't exist here.

Hey guys,

I will (want) arrive tomorrow 22nd in AC by plane to Clark. Can anybody tell me about the flooding situation in AC? No problem to fly? How about water in the city?

Thanks

Rick,

Similar experiences I'm always surprise how the WGs gravitate to my wife. I don't know why but I'm not complaining. For me one of the coolest aspects of having especially Chinese group gropes is when the girls sit around chatting naked at the breaks and after. I speak some Chinese so I can follow maybe 50% of the conversation. For me it must be tied to the girls sorority / slumber party fantasy I have had most of my life! Aside from the sex this is my favorite part.

I think rules are very specific to the couple. You and I have had very different experiences with our respective gals but, that is what appears to work for each. I think we would both agree having a Bi woman is better than not having one at least that's how I feel. With that said I do like your arrangement. Congrats.

I would point out a Bi-gf is not for everyone. I have a good friend who has been in Asia for 10years and has had his share of 3 and 4ps but with his serious gfs it is strictly monogamous. The funny thing is that he met his current love at a 3p their first and last! Go figure!

Thanks TaipeiD for your informative reports! Refreshing to read something positive for a change, LOL.

I too have a penchant for 3somes and moresomes as my posts and photos have borne out. I was lucky on my first trip to have found a bi-girl who is submissive and loves to hunt for other girls for our mutual satisfaction. She also has a fairly wide circle of bisexual friends in AC and that helped in the beginning.

[QUOTE]I have found having the right woman with you puts the girls at ease[/QUOTE]Absolutly correct! And in the PI's it also helps that the girls can speak to each other in their own language; helps to avoid any confusion. Many of the bar girls are not well educated and often their English is not too good.

[QUOTE]Managing the relationship with her does require a bit of work and we have agreed to a set of rules which work for us:

The rules – this is what works for us and FWIW we find them very important to abide by – you may need to modify them to work for you:[/QUOTE]Very important if you're in a relationship with the girl, but IMHO not so much if she's just with you for a short stay although you do want to make her feel "special" in one way or another; it helps get past the jealousy issue that you find with many of the PI girls. I've set mine with my gf, which are similar to yours with a few minor exceptions, like kissing. Also, I've told her that my cum is hers and I would not cum into another girls' pussy unless she wanted to eat the creampie. Usually she wants me to cum into her mouth or lick it off the other girls' chest.

[QUOTE]US – we tried in NYC no joy – go figure – we might try Vegas next year.[/QUOTE]You'll probably have much better luck in Vegas, try using backpage. Com; escorts section to find what you want.

[QUOTE]First in Cebu and Manila – we were able to score a number of escorts with good success – it typical costs a little more (3 to 4K) but you know what you are getting[/QUOTE]If you've got the time try some of the dating websites or Craigslist, but be careful with CL; lots of scammers there.

[QUOTE]Repeat business. I find the 2 or 3rd time around with the girls is even better than the first time – I have not done this in the PI but am working on it. They tend to be more relaxed have a better sense of how it is going to play out >>>>>often time we have girls that recommend other girls to join with us. They know the girls better than you will ever and probably better than the Mamasan so a referral from one WG to another is usually Gold[/QUOTE]Also true in the Phils. And once you gain their trust and they know you are "real" and won't hurt them they will often want to intro you to their friends. I generally give a 200peso finder's fee if they hook me up. I'll add it to their donation if they join or just give it separate they don't. This also applies to regular girls and semi-pros throughout the PI's.

[QUOTE]As for notes the big tip to the Mamasan was the 2nd night after the first one. I did give her 100p the first night and bought her a couple of shots.[/QUOTE]Always pays to cultivate a relationship with the mamasans. During my last stay I did invite one over to the condo for dinner, she wound up staying to watch the action (she worked the camera, LOL). A couple of days later she texted me to come over and try out a brand new 19 year old fresh from the province. Mama knew that the girl would be in good hands and she wanted my opinion of her as well (I asked if I could get a job as a "test driver", we had a good laugh over that; pity she thought I was joking). The girl was no virgin, but was still very tight and had never been with a white guy or another girl. We took it slow with her, she enjoyed and I had a hard time getting rid of her (actually we kept her for an extra day). Needless to say I gave a glowing report to mama, LOL.

[QUOTE]Saturday night bar fines 5000p I think it was 2500p for each of the "spotlight dancers"[/QUOTE]Personally I rarely take "spotlight" girls out. I feel that the extra pesos are a rip-off and in some cases inflate the girls' ego. One of my girls told me that this has also caused a bit a friction between the girls at the bar she used to work at. I've noticed that many of the spotlight girls are uglier and fatter than the regular ones and it's not like they're pussies are made of gold, nor are they going to provide or do anything above and beyond a regular "non-spotlight" girl. Some bars rotate their spotlight girls, so always ask; and many will also be up for a private meet at a much lower cost to you. I can only justify the extra if the girl is truly amazing in one aspect or another and I'm about to leave town, and I'm in the "I got to have that" mood. Otherwise I'll pass and find something else.

[QUOTE]Standard FS not bad but not great 200-300p per customer. Great FS 500p per customer. Will let my wife go down on her and will go down on my wife. Exceptional e. G. Bar girl on bar girl action. Snowballing or other special requests etc. 1000p per customer.Interesting to hear comments.[/QUOTE]IMHO a 1K tip is way too much, even for what you deem as exceptional service, and 200-300 for mediocre service is also too much. 500p is the max I've ever given and every one of them was very happy with that. I generally give 50-100 to a Fields Ave girl and 100-300p to a Santos St. Or Raymond St. Girl; providing of course that service is good. My philosophy on that is the girls on Fields are already getting a larger wage from the higher bar fine. But that seems to be changing as the LT bar fines in the non-Fields bars are going up too and there's not as much disparity between them anymore.

I don't agree with not tipping at all, but I feel we shouldn't spoil them either. I wasn't the one who started the tipping trend, but I feel that most girls who go out of their way to please you should get a little something extra. In a manner of speaking I've even "tipped" a starfish or two on my first trip; I walked them outside, hailed a trike and gave the driver 50-70p to take them home / back to the bar. Even though I was not satisfied with their service I felt that it was the right thing to do.

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger;1461690]I don't agree with not tipping at all, but I feel we shouldn't spoil them either. I wasn't the one who started the tipping trend, but I feel that most girls who go out of their way to please you should get a little something extra. In a manner of speaking I've even "tipped" a starfish or two on my first trip; I walked them outside, hailed a trike and gave the driver 50-70p to take them home / back to the bar. Even though I was not satisfied with their service I felt that it was the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone can ever over tip.

I cannot think of any other type of service. That men will fly across the world to have provided to them.

Base on that alone. If I am willing to fly 17 to 20 hrs and spend $1000 just to get there to receive the services.

Then those services must be valuable enough. To be worthy of a tip. And easily $25 for good service.

There is a Cebu Pacific from Cebu to Bangkok, return, two days a week I think.

KongKing

I will be in Angeles City this coming weekend. This coincides with the Australia (Wallabies) versus New Zealand (All Blacks) 2st rugby test this Saturday (3. 30pm local time). I would like to watch the game live on a sports bar screen. Any bar like Makati's Howzat Sports Bar in Angeles? I would like to see the All Blacks nail the cross Tasman Bledisloe Cup for another season!

KongKing

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865; 1461776]I don't think anyone can ever over tip.

I cannot think of any other type of service. That men will fly across the world to have provided to them.

Base on that alone. If I am willing to fly 17 to 20 hrs and spend $1000 just to get there to receive the services.

Then those services must be valuable enough. To be worthy of a tip. And easily $25 for good service.[/QUOTE]Men fly all over the world for golf, diving, trophy fishing, trophy hunting, special foods, special sites, etc. Rarely do they offer 50% or 150% tips to the people who provide these services though. That's limited to the 1 week millionaires that come to places like AC and Pattaya and ruin it for everyone else.

The reason people "fly across the world" to Pattaya and AC to begin with is that they offer inexpensive access to lots of action. With the increase in bar fines and guys giving $25 tips for mediocre performance (!) we will soon reach price parity. We've already got it in some cases, with certain girls in Thailand now charging as much as their counterparts in top income earning countries like South Korea.

My theory is that a lot of guys rarely get any pussy back in the real world and thus fall head over balls when they get with a girl in a place like AC. So even though she is a poor farmer girl from some far off province who grew up bathing out of a bucket they feel a need to make it rain cash on her. Losers with loot in my opinion. I guarantee you don't get any better service than I do.

[QUOTE=KongKing; 1461911]I will be in Angeles City this coming weekend. This coincides with the Australia (Wallabies) versus New Zealand (All Blacks) 2st rugby test this Saturday (3. 30pm local time). I would like to watch the game live on a sports bar screen. Any bar like Makati's Howzat Sports Bar in Angeles? I would like to see the All Blacks nail the cross Tasman Bledisloe Cup for another season!

KongKing[/QUOTE]Phillies.

[QUOTE[B]Pip Jaeger[/B]

Absolutly correct! And in the PI's it also helps that the girls can speak to each other in their own language; helps to avoid any confusion. Many of the bar girls are not well educated and often their English is not too good.[/QUOTE]And I have to remind newbies, even though PH flaunts their superb English, they are better in written than spoken, I. E. Those specially in bars.

Text speak excels, and verbal, can, sometime give you daggers.

Even the freelancers in SG, I tell guys to not call, please sms them, and 9 out 10 idiots call them and then words get lost and of course, Pinay style, rather than accept the comprehensio of English sucks, the girl will go "you don't call me anymore" or just put the phone down.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1461955]Men fly all over the world for golf, diving, trophy fishing, trophy hunting, special foods, special sites,[/QUOTE]Those are not services. Those are activities. You are doing the golf, diving, fishing or hunting. Besides many of guys tip the boat crews nice money when the go deep sea fishing, also caddies for golf, it you were on a tour to see sites. Many tip the tour guides.

[QUOTE]My theory is that a lot of guys rarely get any pussy back in the real world and thus fall head over balls when they get with a girl in a place like AC. So even though she is a poor farmer girl from some far off province who grew up bathing out of a bucket they feel a need to make it rain cash on her. Losers with loot in my opinion. I guarantee you don't get any better service than I do.[/QUOTE]And your theory would be wrong. Its about how and what a person values for their money.

Each person puts a value to. Having the pleasure of a woman for an entire night. For you it is one thing. To another its another.

Personally I think any woman in her 20's that pleases a man for a night. Is worth at least $100. The fact that she is a dirt poor farm girl has nothing to do with how I value her services. It's a woman providing a service period. How she performs is the important factor not where she is from.

So if the bar fine is 2250p ($53). Yeah. Tossing her another 1000p ($23) is damn sure reasonable to me. Especially for a woman who has been good to excellent.

Even guys who make it rain. They throw 20p notes. Even if they throw 100. Thats less than $50.

Get a grip. No one is bragging. Its about having fun. Its not big money and thats why they do it. Because in the states its $10 or $20's. Where 100 thrown is $1000 or $2000. Now that's showing off.

It might not be your thing. But it definitely doesn't have nothing to do with anyone being a loser. Its about having a good time. The girls definitely love it. The bar hops when they do it. It livens up the crowd. I have no problem with guys who do it.

To each their own. Its the reality with all spots over the world. Cost of pussy is always rising. Enjoy it when and while you can. Because complaining ain't going to change nothing.

ThatGuy, Out.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1461955]So even though she is a poor farmer girl from some far off province who grew up bathing out of a bucket they feel a need to make it rain cash on her. Losers with loot in my opinion. I guarantee you don't get any better service than I do.[/QUOTE]This part of your slobber sums you up. Continue with your self centered theory and have a great time.

[QUOTE=KongKing; 1461911]I will be in Angeles City this coming weekend. This coincides with the Australia (Wallabies) versus New Zealand (All Blacks) 2st rugby test this Saturday (3. 30pm local time). I would like to watch the game live on a sports bar screen. Any bar like Makati's Howzat Sports Bar in Angeles? I would like to see the All Blacks nail the cross Tasman Bledisloe Cup for another season!

KongKing[/QUOTE]A lot of bars will have it on, Paradise beer garden near mcd, philies will have it and a few others that I for got.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1461955]that come to places like AC and Pattaya and ruin it for everyone else.[/QUOTE]RR, please stop this whining. Thanks.

I was in AC for about a week earlier this month. I can see why thus place is on the map. Was just my 2nd visit. This time I stayed at the ABC. Nice hotel, good rooms even though mine was a bit funky. I like it because until after 5:00pm, there really isn't much going in AC besides walking the mall or sitting in one of the all day beer halls with all the fat, gray haired guys. At ABC I could sit for most of the afternoon in an illusion that I was at some nice beach.

I think I hit roughly half the sport in the main walking street this trip. I do find the variety of customer engagement styles very interesting. Some, The girls are on stage unless you request one. Some, the hostess and waitress nearly attack you for lady drinks the moment you hit the door.

I managed a few pics. The cuties in shorts / panties was a contact from a famous Asian dating website. She came one afternoon to meet me and in 10 minutes asked if her friend could come join us. I like this place. The second set in shower caps was similarly interesting. Waitresses at the ABC pool bar. I didn't know they were available for rent. Same fee as a model girl at Atlantis. Next day we went shopping at the mall and met her sister. While walking around the one says to me, my sister wants to fuck you, is that ok with you? Of course, it's all about money here.

Of the bars, I'd have to say the surprise for me this trip was the depth and quality at Ponytails. I didn't investigate much places outside of the walking street assuming most were small joints with just a few, less than exciting girls. Wrong. I did make a mistake of taking a girl from there who was fresh from the province. Lots of effort to get her naked and stick my cock inside her. I should stick to my general rule of 1-3 months experience.

I also made a friend of a massage lady I met online. She came over to give me a massage and we both left with a happy smile. She never offered an upswell or anything. Not bad for massage girl looks.

I'm really liking as compared to Pattaya or BKK. It's certainly cheaper. The general rule is if it walks and smiles, it wants to fuck you for money. Perhaps Pinay are not always great in the looks dept, but they sure do know what to do in bed. In contrast, I found this trip ladies in BKK seem much more demanding and picky for more money. Pattaya is certainly a lot nicer than AC in terms of scenery and things to do outside of sex. One thing to consider about AC is the mandatory weekly medical checks. Though perhaps not as rigorous as in Europe or the states, I have to think the weekly screening I stalled by the US military is a good basic check on disease. I asked one girl about it and she said of 10 girls in a month of weekly checkups, less than one is diagnosed and treated, and out of the line up for the week.

One interesting story. A Chinese guy had his night harem of girls. It took 3 elevator rides at ABC to get them all up to his room. I'm just wondering what the hell is he going to do with 20 girls in one night. In AC, not nearly as big a deal to take multiple girls. It's a bit tricky at some places finding really nice girls that will do multiples. I was hunting for a pair of bedtime partners one night and was really interested in the one girl and her friend. When the waitress asked for me, it was clear they were not at all interested in that. So I moved to another bar. Picked out a top balcony girl from Atlantis. Asked if her friend would mind to join. No problems. She was fishing to see if I wanted her sister too, but she was not so attractive.

My first night there, went into Cambodia. I'd met a nice lady that was a bartender there. She wasn't working that night. There was one mature stunner there I could not resist. As I sat down, these two girls sat next to me. Very nice and playful. I went back for them a few nights later. One was a really dirty girl, the other obviously used to it and went along for the ride. Neither was a serious looker, but then again, is that why you brought them to your room? For their smile.