German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Pistons;2285589]They can happen both fast and slow. Time is a relative term. Media companies get extremely well paid in order to force through paradigm changes on grand scales. One such thing is the 'global warming'. So not all paradigm changes happens organically. Some do, but also some are forced through with the help of the media.[/QUOTE]Speed was a irrelevant side point. Organically and praticality were the real points.

Global warming: that's called informing the public of you know, facts. Yet 50 years later and over half of the world's population doesn't give a fuck.

You're basically making my point with media induced paradigm shifts. Look how well those agendas have been going. Feminism: clusterfuck with men playing along to either get laid covertly or to protect their careers. Forced Liberalism: conservative and nationalist backlash that has led to Trump, Brexit, and possibly future Italian and Hungarian nationalist regression.

Successful paradigm shifts short of war and revolutions where people were you know, starving and dying, generally do not happen abruptly from abstract nutjobs who consider themselves free thinkers, forcing impractical, abstract ideas down people's throats.

What happens when nutjobs with abstract ideas prevail? Fucking return of measles and polio.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2285654]At Globe, you can pay 130 for 140 CHF. Can also pay in USD, also at Aphro.[/QUOTE]The price in ZH Globe becoming within same price range as some German FKK like Artemis and Palace etc. NRW is the only hope for fair enough pricing nowadays.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2285700]I understand here is FKK forum with many FKK fans, so let's not discuss further about FKK WGs except to think about all the posts on this subject including mine.

With regards to Dutch clubs, can anyone name one Dutch club which has the same quality of WG's service as GT, LR, Babylon, Finca, Luder Lounge, Villa Venus and other German clubs owned by ETHNIC Germans (not Turkish Germans)?[/QUOTE]SixSense probably above all on your list. Maybe Babylon has the same level as SixSense. Some girls have gone between SS and Babylon Elsdorf a few times the past year for this reason I suppose. GT certainly below (and below YY too). No idea about Villa Venus or Luder Lounge.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2285700]I understand here is FKK forum with many FKK fans, so let's not discuss further about FKK WGs except to think about all the posts on this subject including mine.

With regards to Dutch clubs, can anyone name one Dutch club which has the same quality of WG's service as GT, LR, Babylon, Finca, Luder Lounge, Villa Venus and other German clubs owned by ETHNIC Germans (not Turkish Germans)?[/QUOTE]What is a WG quality? For me = the pickiest guy, first she has to be pretty and a bit elegant, then it s only guy skill and behavior to be able to get what he wants from her, to give her the will to give him, even when paying. Some guys will report some girls are lazy or don t kiss, when these girls just want to give only suck and fuck to these guys. We have to be 2 into, for good time.

Then, I had great girls at YY, at least 5 since November 2017, 3 asking for orgasmus with 1 who was upset when I didn t succeed to give her, more than at Sharks + Oase at same time, at least same level than GT for these girls potential. Had also 1 very good surprise at 6 ens, not busy, probably because too elegant sophisticated, but despite small silicon, a real woman in bed, not a little upselling GND, this just for 100 for 1 very full GFE hour.

About Globe, yes more expensive, but really higher level for woman type looks and for level in bed, for 130 €/30 mn, not so much more expensive than some Sharks or Oase little girls. Real women don t upsell at Sharks.

But better to visit to be able to know, and also to be able to deserve from girls.

I don't know about the ethnicity of the owners but those 2 last years I had good encounters in 6 sense.

And maybe I'm the only one but I never realized so many differences in the optic department between sharks and LR or sharks and Finca. More girls yes, prettier 'not so sure. Between Sharks and Aca gold the difference in optics is obvious.

Hello there,

Long time lurker, new poster.

I will soon be visiting Germany again after a long time and only have one visit to Artemis under my belt.

I'm going to spend some time in the Frankfurt area and was wondering what club would suit my wishes better.

Basically looking for women on the slightly thicker end of the spectrum. Not BBW's, just full round asses and natural tits. No optifucks needed, plain old depravity will suffice.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2285669]But what I do not get is this. I just do not get why some people try to get relationship with prostitutes in FKK, this is not to insult prostitutes or nothing like that, but what I mean is that, FKK is brothel, it is not place to seek for soul mate or someone you can deeply connect with, brothel is place to have sex. I have good relation with girls I repeat, but that good relation stay in FKK because what happen in FKK stays in FKK, sometimes they write me on e-mail, but I know it is just a sales mail and these girls are not serious, I think seeking relationship in FKK with prostitutes are dangerous both men and prostitutes and there are some cases in past that escalated to very sad vicious crime because of that and clients who seek relationship with girls is worst clients mentally for girls, good money though they said. Most close friends that last for life are made in high school and university, not in brothel.[/QUOTE]I mainly agree with you here actually. But I have also noticed through the years that there are working girls who are single, and their job is keeping them away from the normal dating game. So an easy way for these girls can be to find a monger. And some of these girls can be stunningly beautiful. So in these, I have to add rare cases, it is not something to completely rule out. What the numbers are is hard to say. Some say 90% have boyfriends already. Maybe. We don't know for sure. Only guesses. And some even date these girls without paying too. I have dated several girls mainly in asia without paying too. Working girls in the past. But in europe I havebt had the guts yet to take the chance as I feel the risk is higher. Maybe its cultural. It seems in some places to be kind of something a wg would hide from her other nationals as it seems to have stigma for some of them. Like a chinese girl dating a westerner for example due to the imposed idea chinese men give out stating there are too many sibgke Chinese men. Maybe Romanian or Turkish men feel the same as a grouped together 'immigrant society'. But now I am just guessibg here. Even if I had 10+ different gitls telling me a certain girl was not trying to fool me once at an FKK when she wanted to move in with me permanently, I bailed out. So far that leap just seems to far. Just like you say, partly for those same reasons. And partly also for the history of the girls having charged you for something (like chess in the room). In asia, this dating of wg's are far more normal than in europe though. In Macau for example due to the incredibly skewed gender imbalance with far more women than men. Thailand and south east asia for other more obvious reasons. Why it is different in Europe than in asia? History may be one reason in thailand. Maybe somebody here can make good guesses. But it seems to me like most girls doing this for a living is opposed to it while working. Aside from fooling guys into paying more indirectly ofcourse. And then dating. But it can be an option for them the moment they quit this job. However, that might mean that they are of the older types and 30+ when getting to that point. Maybe it is like a way of retiering for both wg's and monger alike. But I hope not too many get their hopes up, as it seems to lead to silly drama, and rumored to also lead to dangerous incidents if one get fooled. And the majority is getting fooled.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2285634]At the extremes of this hobby, my opinion is there are people who are in denial. It is a defense mechanism. They imagine realities because they don't want to face the truth. If you truly have friends in private life, then I hope you are not neglecting these relationships.

I will say this: you certainly do not seem to be neglecting the German FKK threads. You seem to be quite active here, as well as inbox messaging, and my understanding is that your mongering in Germany only constitutes a small percentage of your overall mongering activity. You have over 3 K posts in the German FKK threads. One might reasonably assume that you have 30 K posts in Japan threads in Japanese language forums? Are you making posts while you are at the office?[/QUOTE]Nice attempt but delusion is apparently one hell of a beast and you are right that it's probably not worth bothering attempting to preaent a reality check. Your contribution to society is noted.

I'll add to our conversation earlier. While I stand by by my proposed benefits of socializing with prostitutes as a way to gain some social skills, I suppose that is only appropriate only people who are shy or a little awkward. As alluded to, in this case they can serve as a psychologist, pressure release vavlve, or life counselor. However, people suffering from delusions and practicing denial of one's own limitations, well, they probably would not benefit. These people would just fall further into their delusions, lying to themselves and others.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2285210]But as mentioned in my last post, and Takedown hinted at also, framed words such as 'w. Ore', and 'ho. Oker' have been brought out into public discourse for a purpose by certain interest groups in order to program non liberal individuals.[/QUOTE]Each word / name itself is a distinct frame! LIke we say, eg: "in the name of freedom".

[QUOTE=Pistons;2285210]The main paradigm change which has barely started, and hardly many, if even any world leaders get a slight graps of the boundaries of today, is the information age. And the internet in particular. Eventually it will make the enlightenment turn into a baby step of a mouse.[/QUOTE]Information is for intellectuals and computers. Intuition and wisdom are for human beings that got in contact with (their) intelligence.

The imo best modern map of stages of consiousness and the evolution of mankind, written in a language that is easily understandable, can be found in the work of Ken Wilber (Integral Institute). If one doesn't mind a book with 800+ pages, I would recommend this one her:

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Religion-Tomorrow-Traditions-More-Inclusive-Comprehensive/dp/1611803004/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1549899721&sr=8-3&keywords=ken[/URL]+wilber+books.

Group,

Now I understand why there is not much information in this forum regarding FKK Morgenland. Visited Morgenland on a Monday afternoon and the place was dead! Their website would lead you to believe the club is much bigger than it is and much nicer. In truth, it's small and not so nice. Was only there for a few minutes when I realized that there was not much fun to be had. Saw four girls and only one of them would have considered having a session with. And, no diet soda! Looked at the time and realized I could get to Colosseum right at opening so I took off.

I'm not saying "do not go" but saying "keep your expectations low".

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2285945]Each word / name itself is a distinct frame! LIke we say, eg: "in the name of freedom".

Information is for intellectuals and computers. Intuition and wisdom are for human beings that got in contact with (their) intelligence.

The imo best modern map of stages of consiousness and the evolution of mankind, written in a language that is easily understandable, can be found in the work of Ken Wilber (Integral Institute). If one doesn't mind a book with 800+ pages, I would recommend this one her:

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Religion-Tomorrow-Traditions-More-Inclusive-Comprehensive/dp/1611803004/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1549899721&sr=8-3&keywords=ken[/URL]+wilber+books.[/QUOTE]I have no idea where you got it from that every word is a frame. Every subjective word you choose to use a frame. But not an objective word that you don't use. For example, the word 'word', is an objective word. We use words all the time, but we don't write 'word' in every sentence. There are distinct types of framing too, and I was referring to action framing.

About the information age, the main outcome, and perhaps the whole idea behind it, is to fuse your two distinct domains: robotic intellect and intuition / wisdom. We call such a fusion a cyborg, and in a way, we have all just started becoming one through communicating from far away, and between all age groups. Soon we might even learn to read minds. Or who knows, we might be able to hack each others memories. What then? We can reexperience the emotions, impulses and sensations Brad Pitt had when boning Angelina Jolie? Or vice versa for women? LOL.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2285743]Speed was a irrelevant side point. Organically and praticality were the real points.

Global warming: that's called informing the public of you know, facts. Yet 50 years later and over half of the world's population doesn't give a fuck.

You're basically making my point with media induced paradigm shifts. Look how well those agendas have been going. Feminism: clusterfuck with men playing along to either get laid covertly or to protect their careers. Forced Liberalism: conservative and nationalist backlash that has led to Trump, Brexit, and possibly future Italian and Hungarian nationalist regression.

Successful paradigm shifts short of war and revolutions where people were you know, starving and dying, generally do not happen abruptly from abstract nutjobs who consider themselves free thinkers, forcing impractical, abstract ideas down people's throats.

What happens when nutjobs with abstract ideas prevail? Fucking return of measles and polio.[/QUOTE]Lets just say that 99% of what you read in the news is grey truths. And most of them are agendas forced upon us. Most of which agendas are even public now with Agenda 21, agenda 2030, New Urban Agenda in protection of migrants, IOM etc etc etc.

New previously abstract words become common every year, and soon gain traction in the public. Everything evolves, languages, people, knowledge, technologies. Nothing is stagnant. Everyone is a 'nutjob'. It makes us into individuals. Some are just more open and honest about it than others.

Getting into conspiracy theories on this forum won't get us anywhere, and can spin into ad infinitum 10 new pages. So lets not get started. But that is the power of the media. To stake out what is fake news, and what is not. And the average guy listens to it. Because NBC said it, and NBC has Brian Williams and Lester Holt. Two likable guys with faces that seem honest. As if we actually hear the interpretations of these seemingly professional well spoken faces, and not just hear them reading large letters on a big screen next to the camera shooting them. Written by an abstract nutjob freak sitting behind a computer with two inch thick glasses, one arm, a stinky t shirt and cum on his right hand. (LOL).

I will just make one example. CO2 may, or may not cause global warming. I might lack enough information. Media news spin doctors definitely haven't managed to show it inconclusively. But what we do know for a fact, is that if we reduce the amount of water in the lower cloud layer of the earth. The higher cloud layers move upwards, and we get a double warming effect. This is being done en masse with something known as cloud seeding. And we have been doing this more and more for over 50 years already. In parallel with global warming taking off. Overpopulation and our thirst for water can then be concluded as causing global warming. Not our usage of CO2. But our hunger for water hits less fairly economically than our hunger for CO2.

[URL]https://youtu.be/Tmk7nAvpMXQ[/URL]

But ofcourse you are right in that information cause paradigm changes. It just depends on how we frame that information. We call it spin doctoring. A subjective take on reality. It can both be facts, and it can be half truths to some.

Every political change is caused by a nutjob who considers himself a free thinker. That is how the world evolves. Believeing we are the exception to the rule is insanity. Just look at Donald Trump. Or Hillary Clinton for that matter. Delve deep enough into any presidental candidate you have in the nutjob country USA (all countries are the same. Just that the media industry of USA is more rough), and you end up finding dirt if you want. At least if you want to frame it all as dirt. And even framing something as dirt can have a forseen or unforseen consequence. Ending up being positive or negative for certain agendas.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2285762]GT certainly below (and below YY too). No idea about Villa Venus or Luder Lounge.[/QUOTE]But you have never sessioned at GT. Use of the word "Certainly" seems to be a case of poor reporting, certainly one not using first hand experience while disregarding the the viewpoints of those with whom you most often monger. This attitude may lead one to take a shitty session immediately after a fellow monger tells you that a WG should be avoided.

Reviews are by nature generally subjective but subjectivity should at least be based on experience.

The greatest skill a human being can have is neighter intellect, wisdom nor intuition. It is empathy. And we like emphatic people. Girls with empathy makes more money than others. If Sirioja wants a kiss, a girl kiss. If BigDaddyCool76 and CaneupHosAss likes anal, the girl gives away anal as an option. Maybe even doing training at home with a toy in order to open up. LOL. Just because she knows there are kinky guys out there who are different. Because they understand what some other people are searching for. Of course, as long as it doesn't harm themselves physically. That is the psychology I think Takedown might be searching for without saying it. We all have larger or smaller demons inside of us that wants out. And certain demons are such that working girls tend to them better than a male psychologist. If we suppress them, they may grow larger, and bad things may occur.

Thomas Aquinas coined it well for his time and in his cultural context.

- Prostitution in the towns is like the cesspool in the palace: take away the cesspool and the palace will become an unclean and evil-smelling place. - Thomas Aquinas.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2285821]I don't know about the ethnicity of the owners but those 2 last years I had good encounters in 6 sense.

And maybe I'm the only one but I never realized so many differences in the optic department between sharks and LR or sharks and Finca. More girls yes, prettier 'not so sure. Between Sharks and Aca gold the difference in optics is obvious.[/QUOTE]I dunno man. I just visited both Sharks and Finca 2 days apart. While, I love Finca, the optic disparity is pretty glaring. To a lesser degree, LR also. Maybe I am just fooled by the total nudity versus dessous clubs.