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Oh, and people don't like intellectual people. Because 50% of us will allways be opposed, and 50% will allways agree. That is why I tell random guy at Sharks who asks who these forum trolls such as for example Kosher Kowboy is, who spam ISG are. That I don't post on an internet forum. And then he looks bewilderred himself too, as he was in fact searching for a likeminded group of guys from a secret hidden brotherhood of weirdo nutjobs (courtesy of Takedown). That he also never post on internet forums. He then proceeds with his search to weed us out of the crowds. But I once met a guy that did post on an internet forum, and he was a bit strange. (LOL). Because chances are he hates my ideas and will just play nice if I tell him. The power of immunity. At least untill the random german local with eyes everywhere sniffs you out and tells him. As abstract or not this story was. It can theoretically happen.

I think that many Takedown's FKK-related observations and views are spot on and he is one of the best and most sensible FKK observers on FKK forum by his FKK experience. I am not talking about other FKK-unrelated issues on which everyone can have his own opinion, but I think he got very good senses on many FKK-related issues due to his FKK experience and observation.

It is time for me to go back to work LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2286020]The greatest skill a human being can have is neighter intellect, wisdom nor intuition. It is empathy. And we like emphatic people. Girls with empathy makes more money than others. If Sirioja wants a kiss, a girl kiss. If BigDaddyCool76 and CaneupHosAss likes anal, the girl gives away anal as an option. Maybe even doing training at home with a toy in order to open up. LOL. Just because she knows there are kinky guys out there who are different. Because they understand what some other people are searching for. Of course, as long as it doesn't harm themselves physically. That is the psychology I think Takedown might be searching for without saying it. We all have larger or smaller demons inside of us that wants out. And certain demons are such that working girls tend to them better than a male psychologist. If we suppress them, they may grow larger, and bad things may occur.

Thomas Aquinas coined it well for his time and in his cultural context.

- Prostitution in the towns is like the cesspool in the palace: take away the cesspool and the palace will become an unclean and evil-smelling place. - Thomas Aquinas.[/QUOTE]Kissing is the most intimate for most of girls, much more than sucking, even CIM, even AO sex, and I make the job with my manners to give girls the will to come to kiss me, really enjoyable is while fucking and she put her going faster and faster breathe in your mouth. Some become really passionate under caresses or when we are deep inside.

As say girls, we are different and easy to notice how some girls treat us in very different way, before room, girls will go to ask to some guys when some guys will have to wait all night or run after, in room girls won t give same program with all of us, and how girls will behave after we paid. I enjoy when girls propose me to go for diner before and even more after, and really enjoyable was a really good surprise preparing sandwich for her and me on late night, after love in bed, not only sex can really be enjoyable, girls behavior is very important for me, what I call GFE, when girls just run away from most, after getting money.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2285902]I mainly agree with you here actually. But I have also noticed through the years that there are working girls who are single, and their job is keeping them away from the normal dating game. So an easy way for these girls can be to find a monger. And some of these girls can be stunningly beautiful. So in these, I have to add rare cases, it is not something to completely rule out. What the numbers are is hard to say. Some say 90% have boyfriends already. Maybe. We don't know for sure. Only guesses. And some even date these girls without paying too. I have dated several girls mainly in asia without paying too. Working girls in the past. But in europe I havebt had the guts yet to take the chance as I feel the risk is higher. Maybe its cultural. It seems in some places to be kind of something a wg would hide from her other nationals as it seems to have stigma for some of them. Like a chinese girl dating a westerner for example due to the imposed idea chinese men give out stating there are too many sibgke Chinese men. Maybe Romanian or Turkish men feel the same as a grouped together 'immigrant society'..[/QUOTE]OK, writing seriously here, and I contradict what I wrote a little bit.

I tend to also think in FKK, client can have some kind of friendship or relationship with girls because we now finally live in freedom enough world, where we more or less can do what we want or say what we want to say to great extent, but all I am saying for sake and safety of both parties, both clients and working girls in FKK, it is better to draw some line in German FKK because it is brothel, it is place to seek for sexual fantasies and it is not place to communicate in deeper level with opposite sex in mental spiritual level, you can connect in deeper level in sexual level that is FKK for me, this is what I really think for sake and safety of both parties.

There are many different girls in FKK and not all pimp and lover boys behind though most are, but the fact that they come into your life so deep sexually and they are gone is part of beauty of mongering, though connection is deep in sexual level, somehow some of my past favorite girls I frequented stays in my beautiful memories.

As for aftermath of FKK girls, many girls told me that they quit then they get boyfriends to live their life, I hope they will as many are actually nice hearted girls even in such hard situation that they are in and I respect their strength to stay kind and warm hearted, they are stronger many of us mongers. Whether it is true or not, I wish every girl I repeated in room to be happy in their after FKK life. I sometimes do think about their dreams they told me in room even though they are long gone and yes, you are right, they continue this life of FKK, it is not impossible, but hard to get themselves a real boyfriend because no man send their wife or loved one to FKK if they truly love them. I give respect and praises for how some of those FKK girls managed to stay so strong, brave and warm hearted and fair even in such harsh situation in FKK and they are given to bad hand of unfortunate fate called life in FKK for now.

Meanwhile, let me get back to usual Mr Ho LOL! As long as mongers continue to be mongers, we cannot get real girlfriend because we know where we can get better juices are than girls who will age and decrease in quality, in FKK our girlfriends are young, beautiful and they change all the time without stress, no negotiation their legs are wide open even their anal are open, and hey it is much cheaper than marriage LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2286027]Oh, and people don't like intellectual people. Because 50% of us will allways be opposed, and 50% will allways agree. That is why I tell random guy at Sharks who asks who these forum trolls such as for example Kosher Kowboy is, who spam ISG are. That I don't post on an internet forum. And then he looks bewilderred himself too, as he was in fact searching for a likeminded group of guys from a secret hidden brotherhood of weirdo nutjobs (courtesy of Takedown). That he also never post on internet forums. He then proceeds with his search to weed us out of the crowds. But I once met a guy that did post on an internet forum, and he was a bit strange. (LOL). Because chances are he hates my ideas and will just play nice if I tell him. The power of immunity. At least untill the random german local with eyes everywhere sniffs you out and tells him. As abstract or not this story was. It can theoretically happen.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the shoutout from Bfsie.

To KK's defense. There's a difference between people with social quirks being a little eccentric and nutjub trolls. One would have to be a complete societal outsider with a lack of awareness of social graces to consider Kosher Kowboy a troll. He is amicable in his writings and is one of the more pleasant posters.

Also there is a difference between thinking outside the box and being a contrarian.

P.S. I recall that you had a room at GT so I retract my statement that you had no experience there. My apologies. Please continue your anti Golden Time and pro Oceans crusade at your pleasure.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2286009]Getting into conspiracy theories on this forum won't get us anywhere, and can spin into ad infinitum 10 new pages. So lets not get started. But that is the power of the media. To stake out what is fake news, and what is not. And the average guy listens to it. Because NBC said it, and NBC has Brian Williams and Lester Holt. Two likable guys with faces that seemed m honest. As if we actually hear the interpretations of these seemingly professional well spoken faces, and not just hear them reading large letters on a big screen next to the camera shooting them. Written by an abstract nutjob freak sitting behind a computer with two inch thick glasses, one arm, a stinky t shirt and cum on his right hand. (LOL).

I will just make one example. CO2 may, or may not cause global warming. I might lack enough information. Media news spin doctors definitely haven't managed to show it inconclusively. But what we do know for a fact, is that if we reduce the amount of water in the lower cloud layer of the earth. The higher cloud layers move upwards, and we get a double warming effect. This is being done en masse with something known as cloud seeding. And we have been doing this more and more for over 50 years already. In parallel with global warming taking off. Overpopulation and our thirst for water can then be concluded as causing global warming. Not our usage of CO2. But our hunger for water hits less fairly economically than our hunger for CO2.[/QUOTE]"Let's not get started with conspiracy theory" but goes off in anti climate change tangent. Ridiculous.

"Every political change caused by a nutjob". Difference between nutjob and well informed people who present practical ideas. The worst are contrarians who's main priority is not to present enlightenment and objectivity but rather to appear wise by constantly presenting contradicting ideas no matter how ridiculous and impractical. As an example of I'll-prove-you-wrong contrarian personality type, I'll refer to picking Sharky girls at Oase in face of strong recommendation to avoid and proceeding and failing to make and entry deadline despite direct recommendation not to do so. Ad hominem yes, but supports the point nonetheless.

I was curious about FKK Sixsens after you guys mentioned it, so I contacted a Dutch guy I know who regularly goes to various FKK clubs. He told me that the owner of Sixsens is a German, not a Dutch, but he is not sure the owner is ethnic German or Turkish German. The club is right on the Dutch-German border, just a couple of minutes from German city Aachen, although technically the club is in Netherlands. Just let you guys know.

I heard there are a few small FKK sauna clubs on the west part of Netherlands near Amsterdam or The Hague. I guess few ISGers know them.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2286020]The greatest skill a human being can have is neighter intellect, wisdom nor intuition. It is empathy.[/QUOTE]I am sure you can supply us with a link to some scientific research on this topic leading to the conclusion you mentioned! Smiley.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2286020]And we like emphatic people. Girls with empathy makes more money than others. If Sirioja wants a kiss, a girl kiss. If BigDaddyCool76 and CaneupHosAss likes anal, the girl gives away anal as an option. Maybe even doing training at home with a toy in order to open up. LOL. Just because she knows there are kinky guys out there who are different. Because they understand what some other people are searching for. Of course, as long as it doesn't harm themselves physically.[/QUOTE]While I agree that empathy, when developed, is a great gift, I think your examples have littel if all to do with empathy. It is more about taking a decision in a special working environment. The decision of a female sex worker about how many parts / facets of her natural body and alive being, and to what extent, she wants to commercialize.

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2286444]While I agree that empathy, when developed, is a great gift, I think your examples have littel if all to do with empathy. It is more about taking a decision in a special working environment. The decision of a female sex worker about how many parts / facets of her natural body and alive being, and to what extent, she wants to commercialize.[/QUOTE]To his point, it probably does take empathy but it is used selfishly, empathy nonetheless. That type of girl can have empathy but uses that understanding to extract more money. Empathetic but neither sympathetic or benevolent.

I think this topic has been discussed before but it is a fascinating topic. Although it is rare, I don't think it is impossible for an FKK girl to fall in love with one of her clients- or for the client to fall in love with one of his FKK girls - but the problems would start not from them but from society. Once your friends and family find out that your GF / partner / wife was a former FKK girl (prostitute) the pressure on the couple would be very high. I think Mr Ho is correct that in the more advanced societies of Western Europe, where people are liberal and religion is seen as an outdated thing, you have more chance of success because people generally don't care about other's personal lives but in more conservative societies (Muslim countries, Asian countries, Catholic countries, Latin America) it would be much more of a stigma. Obviously, I'm generalisiing and I'm sure there will be exceptions to all those examples I've given (especially if you're amongst the very wealthy in any society you can do what you want!) So possible, yes. Likely? No. I think it would make a great novel or movie script.

I think the girls are worthy of respect tbh and I respect those countries like Germany which has legalised this profession-- it is the first step to removing the stigma completely.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2286392]"Every political change caused by a nutjob". Difference between nutjob and well informed people who present practical ideas. The worst are contrarians who's main priority is not to present enlightenment and objectivity but rather to appear wise by constantly presenting contradicting ideas no matter how ridiculous and impractical. As an example of I'll-prove-you-wrong contrarian personality type, I'll refer to picking Sharky girls at Oase in face of strong recommendation to avoid and proceeding and failing to make and entry deadline despite direct recommendation not to do so. Ad hominem yes, but supports the point nonetheless.[/QUOTE]Sharky? You pay 200 e for a 3-some sub 1 hour session. I pay 15 e extra cause my phone died and I was out of battery. Still I call this all laissez-faire thinking and doing, and I don't judge like stereotypically seems to keep doing. Making silly defining words like 'nutjob', and thinking your own mind is special and so much more educated and well informed. Even claiming contradictions where it might just be you not getting the entire picture.

Nick the G: LOL at the first one. But you won't get anything through in life without some game theory. The robotic definition on what empathy really is. You go on to basically describe this empathy as robotic as well in your second response. I suppose it is all a matter of how to frame it. Smiley.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2286364]Thank you for the shoutout from Bfsie.

To KK's defense. There's a difference between people with social quirks being a little eccentric and nutjub trolls. One would have to be a complete societal outsider with a lack of awareness of social graces to consider Kosher Kowboy a troll. He is amicable in his writings and is one of the more pleasant posters.

Also there is a difference between thinking outside the box and being a contrarian.

P.S. I recall that you had a room at GT so I retract my statement that you had no experience there. My apologies. Please continue your anti Golden Time and pro Oceans crusade at your pleasure.[/QUOTE]Maybe you might want to reread that post I made, cause your makes no sense at all. And stop assuming. It just gets silly. P.S.: I didn't mention KK myself. (Not going to explain my post further cause it was a rather funny incident).

[QUOTE=Takedown;2286364]Thank you for the shoutout from Bfsie.

To KK's defense. There's a difference between people with social quirks being a little eccentric and nutjub trolls. One would have to be a complete societal outsider with a lack of awareness of social graces to consider Kosher Kowboy a troll. He is amicable in his writings and is one of the more pleasant posters.

Also there is a difference between thinking outside the box and being a contrarian.

P.S. I recall that you had a room at GT so I retract my statement that you had no experience there. My apologies. Please continue your anti Golden Time and pro Oceans crusade at your pleasure.[/QUOTE]I have had 8 or 9 rooms at GT. From 5 visits I believe. You can find some of my earliest reports if you feel like searching.

Bfsie can think what he wants, but my take on it, although I hope you can take it as something to improve on instead of as an insult, is to be less possessive over the girls you like in an FKK. Be it either Carla (Oase) telling her other customers are idiots and then she avoids him right after, Lucy (aca / gt etc) getting turned off by her sitting with a fat German or discussing who she likes the most with other ISG'ers in pm's or on chat clients, Sophie (sharks) pushing away other clients just saying Hi, or Katea (Samya) where it is about ruining other mongers fantasies. It is not good for the girls if they want to make money from different customers instead of you, unless you want to pay quadruple, or for the general atmosphere here on ISG, or in FKK's. And it relates to all this 'sharing' we have discussed here. It has been going on for too long, and it related to not being able to shift into a new paradigm when entering the club environments. Possessiveness shouldn't have any presence in an FKK. And it can be dangerous. This is where the question of an enclosed mind comes in, and how and what we define an FKK to be.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2286452]To his point, it probably does take empathy but it is used selfishly, empathy nonetheless. That type of girl can have empathy but uses that understanding to extract more money. Empathetic but neither sympathetic or benevolent.[/QUOTE]Well said. These girls can be the best illusion makers, and so easily get clients devoted to them. Because they have genuine empathy they can get inside the client's head and also display genuine feeling. Empathy is a great tool for a working girl.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2286551]although I hope you can take it as something to improve on instead of as an insult, is to be less possessive over the girls you like in an FKK. Be it either Carla (Oase) telling her other customers are idiots and then she avoids him right after, Lucy (aca / gt etc) getting turned off by her sitting with a fat German or discussing who she likes the most with other ISG'ers in pm's or on chat clients, Sophie (sharks) pushing away other clients just saying Hi, or Katea (Samya) where it is about ruining other mongers fantasies. It is not good for the girls if they want to make money from different customers instead of you, unless you want to pay quadruple, or for the general atmosphere here on ISG, or in FKK's. And it relates to all this 'sharing' we have discussed here. It has been going on for too long, and it related to not being able to shift into a new paradigm when entering the club environments. Possessiveness shouldn't have any presence in an FKK. And it can be dangerous. This is where the question of an enclosed mind comes in, and how and what we define an FKK to be.[/QUOTE]I agree, facts are to who girls choose to go, I remember a really funny Saturday evening at GT when so many guys were waiting for small German Lucifer and because she didn't forget what she discovered in her body nearly 1 year ago at Palace, she asked to the only guy who was not interested to repeat with her. I can add Kity, but Katea for sure would be happy to still get now my business. Guys talk and girls choose who they prefer to go with.