Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1498228]I'm trying to get my head around some recent posts. At bottom, John opines that he has access to the creme de la creme of the girls in Medellin, while acknowledging that Ricker, with his limitations, sometimes finds the gem, but obviously can't afford the best, like John does. This whole colloquy is way to close to the "my dick is bigger than yours" boasting. The fact is that there are gems everywhere in Medellin. What separates one from a meaningful relationship with a "gem" is not the wallet, but the heart. My assumption is that, biologically and emotionally, we would find sex much more pleasurable with an "8" that wants to give pleasure to sex with a mechanical "10."

I've been lucky enough to be able to provide several girls in Medellin with scholarships. I know about their lives, have met their families. And each of their mamas line up to invite me for dinner. All I feel is love from these girls, and their families. Sure, I've had some disappointments. A couple of the girls have not taken advantage of this opportunity, and dropped out of their respective universities. That hurt my heart bad, but no regrets about spending the money; that was my choice and I give with a giving heart.

My point is simply this: It's easier to light one candle than to curse the darkness. Obviously not everyone is in a position to do what I do, nor do they approach life as I do. We all decide to do what we do, and our attitude in our relationships with others. And, it's not all about spending large sums of money. It takes time and an interest in improving a girl's life; it's more than the lowest price for the most desirable service provider for a few hours or a night. Just think about it. Would you rather have passionate sex or passionate sex with intimacy? The choice is each of ours.

Only good energy, amigos.

Oh, and there will be at least one Paisa that will cry when you die, because she knew that you cared about her / them.[/QUOTE]I thought there were seasoned mongerers on this board. With these posts about guys trying to pay hundreds of US dollars and paying college tuition for several chicks.

You guys are are not mongerers.

[QUOTE=Joe Rilla; 1500627]I thought there were seasoned mongerers on this board. With these posts about guys trying to pay hundreds of US dollars and paying college tuition for several chicks.

You guys are are not mongerers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up Joe!

Glad you finally showed up and can show us how to be real mongers.

Once you actually make it to Colombia, you can set us straight with that as well.

Thank you.

Yes, and please direct me to where I can bang a sexy 18 year old bareback in three holes for $40-$50 in New York City.

You know these girls and their mamas could care less about you right? Stop those "tuition" payments and see how many dinner invites you get buddy.

[QUOTE=Joe Rilla; 1500623]I totally Agree about over paying these girls. I don't understand it.

I haven't been to Colombia yet, but I am trying to figure out why Guys are paying $40 and $50 a pop. I don't understand. That's what they charge right here in NYC, in Bkyn and Queens.[/QUOTE]IN the U S 40 bucks gets you a skanky crack ho, In Colombia you might find a little princess that you can really feel good about helping out, And it can be great cause she's really helping you out as well, The U S crack-ho is out buying dope, The Colombian princess is trying to get through school, feed the kid her deadbeat boyfriend left her with, and possibly Supporting a sick Mom or grandmother, A lot of us don't mind over-paying cause it makes us feel good

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1500659]Yes, and please direct me to where I can bang a sexy 18 year old bareback in three holes for $40-$50 in New York City.[/QUOTE]When you get the answer to that question, please pm me!

[QUOTE=Joe Rilla; 1500627]I thought there were seasoned mongerers on this board. With these posts about guys trying to pay hundreds of US dollars and paying college tuition for several chicks.

You guys are are not mongerers.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TweedleD;1500693]IN the U S 40 bucks gets you a skanky crack ho, In Colombia you might find a little princess that you can really feel good about helping out, And it can be great cause she's really helping you out as well, The U S crack-ho is out buying dope, The Colombian princess is trying to get through school, feed the kid her deadbeat boyfriend left her with, and possibly Supporting a sick Mom or grandmother, A lot of us don't mind over-paying cause it makes us feel good[/QUOTE]I hate ambiguity. I suppose we are all mongers in a sense if we accept the common meaning of the term: one that consorts with sex workers. We start with the assumption that all women are not sex workers, a premiss with which I do not agree. Digressing, assuming, arguendo, that we are all mongers there are some that seek to exploit these beautiful girls without regard to them as human beings trying to make it though life, as we all are. Certainly, one that provides some tangible benefit in the form of an education can't be a monger. This would be undeniably true except your wholly under estimation of my contribution only provides more evidence that I'm not a monger. I'm over six figures in scholarships in the 5 years I've spend considerable time in Medellin. TweedleD isn't one either. Over paying and that makes you feel good, certainly won't get you into brother Rilla's monger circle. Count me out!

Only good energy! Karma's going to be a bit*h..

[QUOTE=HangerOne;1500660]You know these girls and their mamas could care less about you right? Stop those "tuition" payments and see how many dinner invites you get buddy.[/QUOTE]Interesting reply. And partially correct. It depends on the person. Given the circumstances, I think you're probably right that if I stopped those "tuition" payments I not be cared about. And, there is a good reason. If I stopped the tuition payments, without good cause, it would be because I didn't care about them. On the other hand, one girl who had her scholarship revoked because of lack of seriousness to her studies, has gone her own way, but I had lunch with her mother, aunt and little brother within the last 10 days. I felt they cared about me, but I guess I was wrong.

Thanks for sitting me straight.

Only good energy, unhappy amigo.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1498228]I've been lucky enough to be able to provide several girls in Medellin with scholarships. I know about their lives, have met their families. And each of their mamas line up to invite me for dinner. All I feel is love from these girls, and their families. Sure, I've had some disappointments. A couple of the girls have not taken advantage of this opportunity, and dropped out of their respective universities. That hurt my heart bad, but no regrets about spending the money; that was my choice and I give with a giving heart.

My point is simply this: It's easier to light one candle than to curse the darkness. Obviously not everyone is in a position to do what I do, nor do they approach life as I do. We all decide to do what we do, and our attitude in our relationships with others. And, it's not all about spending large sums of money. It takes time and an interest in improving a girl's life; it's more than the lowest price for the most desirable service provider for a few hours or a night. Just think about it. Would you rather have passionate sex or passionate sex with intimacy? The choice is each of ours.

Only good energy, amigos.

Oh, and there will be at least one Paisa that will cry when you die, because she knew that you cared about her / them.[/QUOTE]I understand where you are coming from. The whole reason I started into the P4P scene is because I do not want a full time girlfriend in Colombia anymore while spending more than half my time in the USA

But that is easier said than done. Once you start repeatedly sleeping with your favorites night after night it is hard not to develop feelings for them. Especially when you negotiate a very favorable weekly or monthly rate because they are with you so much of the time and you aren't paying them every day. So it really does seem like she is your girlfriend or live in lover. Some guys go for the girlfriend experience but in Colombia it really doesn't cost that much more to have the wife experience.

Most of the girls that are willing to substantially lower their normal price and sleep with you long term do like you on some level otherwise it wouldn't work out and they often try to lower the cost even more by getting you to pay tuition or rent to have access to her for even longer periods of time.

But the truth is that any chick that requires a certain sum of financial compensation in exchange for sex no matter how trivial it seems based on your personal finances is never really your girlfriend. I have told more than one prepago to quit trying to make me (or any monger) your boyfriend and I would suggest that you stop trying to make these girls something they are not.

If you spend an appreciable amount of time in Colombia it is not hard to find plenty of really nice young women that would sleep with you for nothing if you portrayed yourself as a serious person looking for a serious relationship. Once you find the ones that repeatedly give it up for nothing then start thinking about helping them out if it makes you feel good. They certainly will need the money more and appreciate it more than the chick selling her ass on the side.

[QUOTE=Cali Hentai; 1500774]I understand where you are coming from. The whole reason I started into the P4P scene is because I do not want a full time girlfriend in Colombia anymore while spending more than half my time in the USA

But that is easier said than done. Once you start repeatedly sleeping with your favorites night after night it is hard not to develop feelings for them. Especially when you negotiate a very favorable weekly or monthly rate because they are with you so much of the time and you aren't paying them every day. So it really does seem like she is your girlfriend or live in lover. Some guys go for the girlfriend experience but in Colombia it really doesn't cost that much more to have the wife experience.

Most of the girls that are willing to substantially lower their normal price and sleep with you long term do like you on some level otherwise it wouldn't work out and they often try to lower the cost even more by getting you to pay tuition or rent to have access to her for even longer periods of time.

But the truth is that any chick that requires a certain sum of financial compensation in exchange for sex no matter how trivial it seems based on your personal finances is never really your girlfriend. I have told more than one prepago to quit trying to make me (or any monger) your boyfriend and I would suggest that you stop trying to make these girls something they are not.

If you spend an appreciable amount of time in Colombia it is not hard to find plenty of really nice young women that would sleep with you for nothing if you portrayed yourself as a serious person looking for a serious relationship. Once you find the ones that repeatedly give it up for nothing then start thinking about helping them out if it makes you feel good. They certainly will need the money more and appreciate it more than the chick selling her ass on the side.[/QUOTE]

In the USA if you do not pay your way, you are out! You are out of your house, your car, and all your pussy. The difference of "monger or not a monger" is when you pay for the pussy. If you pay before or after the deed you're a monger. If you pay some time during the day or night, you're a monger. If you're on this board discussing sex in any and all regards you're a monger. There is no grey area. If you're on these boards to get info, and then travel away from your homeland to enjoy casual sex w / strange women, sorry but, You're a Monger! Jaja

As they say in certain parts of every town,"dems the rules".

I send some of these Colombianas money from time to time and it's unconditional. When I return and see them I will not bring up any gifts, I will pay them the going rate for their time.

We can develop a close tie in this arrangement but they are the ones living their lives in a really terrible economic environment so I don't judge their methods of survival unless it's underhanded.

When I go to the Philippines and watch 20 girls dancing on stage hoping for a customer to take them for a drink so they can sit for 20 minutes, I sometimes fixate on the homely girl dancing on the side in the darker area.

I think wow what a brave little babe to hang in there and give it her best. I am just so impressed by these sights but of course I take the girl that I connect w / in other ways but still there is a lot to respect about the average sex worker.

To close my opinion out I will say I'm surprised to hear such intelligent guys here stating they are not mongers because of some unusual system of patronage.

What's next I wonder? Jaja

[QUOTE=Socker; 1500974]To close my opinion out I will say I'm surprised to hear such intelligent guys here stating they are not mongers because of some unusual system of patronage.

What's next I wonder? Jaja[/QUOTE]It is almost as entertaining to listen to a prepago try and convince you that she isn't really a sex worker anymore because she has some how made it to the status of "kept woman" who only sleeps with one guy. Conveniently forgetting that she is being paid for the exclusive rights to her pussy.

[QUOTE=Socker;1500974]The difference of "monger or not a monger" is when you pay for the pussy. If you pay before or after the deed you're a monger. If you pay some time during the day or night, you're a monger. If you're on this board discussing sex in any and all regards you're a monger. There is no grey area. If you're on these boards to get info, and then travel away from your homeland to enjoy casual sex w / strange women, sorry but, You're a Monger! Jaja[/QUOTE]This needs to be pinned to the top of this forum!

I liked RiceRocket's story about netting some nookie from a "non-pro", but it still reminded me of all the hoops you would have to jump through just to get some (dinner, taxi, disco, drinks). Even after all of that, there still wasn't any promise of her giving him any sex at the end of the night. But like Socker said, you end up paying for it one way or the other. All depends on when you decide to pay (before or after).

Dates are usually an upfront investment with no guarantees of anything. If you have the time and patience then by all means go for it. I'm still not sold on the concept of paying ho's a retainer fee (or "tuition"); especially if I am not there getting my fill and money's worth on a daily basis. All money flows end once I board the airplane back to the US.

Saw the non-pro again last night for dinner, but I agree that even though I didn't directly pay her for sex, the money I spent on dinner, drinks, taxi, gifts can add up to more than getting with a mansion / fb chica straight up. But at least I get to connect with her on a personal level and it's not all about sex / business. It was 'actual dating' however you want to define it. It's a whole different experience, but either way, I pay directly or indirectly. Planning a weekend getway at Guatape.

OTOH, I called up the Blue Room chica Salome, out for late night drinks after the non-pro left. Every place pretty much dead on a Monday night, so didn't have many options. I agree MDE doesn't get going until Thursday, so Sun-Wed could be tough in finding decent places to rumba. And usually Sundays / Mondays are recovery days for the chicas with that guayabo (hangover). Anyways, get back to my apt and she gets a bit freaky and watches porn on my laptop for a good 30 minutes. So obviously, that turned me on and unexpectedly, during our session she asks if I want to do anal, which of course I had to oblige. She leaves around 2am and I pay her 100K plus taxi. I didn't even negotiate pricing, but she was happy with it and even wants to see me again later tonight for some Tuesday salsa night somewhere. So I'll see if tonight would be as dead as Monday.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1500987]This needs to be pinned to the top of this forum!

I liked RiceRocket's story about netting some nookie from a "non-pro", but it still reminded me of all the hoops you would have to jump through just to get some (dinner, taxi, disco, drinks). Even after all of that, there still wasn't any promise of her giving him any sex at the end of the night. But like Socker said, you end up paying for it one way or the other. All depends on when you decide to pay (before or after).

Dates are usually an upfront investment with no guarantees of anything. If you have the time and patience then by all means go for it. I'm still not sold on the concept of paying ho's a retainer fee (or "tuition") ; especially if I am not there getting my fill and money's worth on a daily basis. All money flows end once I board the airplane back to the US.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Socker; 1500974]In the USA if you do not pay your way, you are out! You are out of your house, your car, and all your pussy. The difference of "monger or not a monger" is when you pay for the pussy. If you pay before or after the deed you're a monger. If you pay some time during the day or night, you're a monger. If you're on this board discussing sex in any and all regards you're a monger. There is no grey area. If you're on these boards to get info, and then travel away from your homeland to enjoy casual sex w / strange women, sorry but, You're a Monger! Jaja

What's next I wonder? Jaja[/QUOTE]Also agree. I don't get all these posts about "freebies" and "non-pros." If you are a visiting foreigner into any punting destination country, than you are punting. Now, I am not saying that true love can't happen, or that casual sex can't happen. But if you think that she is in love with you, chances are that she just plays the role well. That is her profession, and GFE is the coin of the realm. Whether you pay her in cash everytime, or whether she is trading for the possibility of getting out of the country in the future, you ARE paying.

Just read through the forums in any country. They are littered with stories of guys who get taken after buying in hook, line, and sinker. Nothing wrong with having fun. Both parties benefit. Just don't lose your perspective. Its human nature to think that, "well I'm different. That won't happen to me." Unrequited love is sad enough as it is, even without the financial con.

don't play me too close, i won't pimp you too hard as too short would say.

my only piece of advice is not to "invest." don't give a girl a big chunk up front expecting it to pay off long term in "freebies" or a discounted rate of some sort. square everything up front. i once paid 8, 000, 000 pesos to a girl, but after we went on a 45-day trip where i banged her in the ass raw three or four times a day and with plans (that she actually completed, surprisingly) to do it again for a little over a month on my next break. if you do the math on that, it's a pretty spectacular deal. $50 usd a day for all access, no holes barred sex with a very beautiful girl. you can't get an apartment for that kind of money in some cities, let alone tight little asshole to live inside.

avoid the bullshit of "pay me 'tuition' (or bill or whatever) that's due today and i'll come over and fuck you every day." make sure you pay up front only if you're about to get something right then and there, and if it's a long term deal then either pay in installments or a balloon on the back end once she has held up her end. it sucks to have to think about things this way, but trust me, they already are. only after very strong trust is established do i think this could work, and even then it's iffy. if they have the payoff in hand, they are not going to work their ass for it. knowing that the big pay day (and potentially more) is at stake will keep them on their toes.

this is not some rep001hing indictment of colombians either. there are people like this in every country and in some it is the norm. it's just one's way of being and some cases it's even practical (emphasis on some).

i guess i have a second piece of advice and that is to recognize that latinos and colombians in particular are more "in love with being in love" and more effusive in their language than most (read: all). these girls will jump to "i adore you" in a heartbeat and even if they think they are sincere, it means very little. if i were to say something like that, it would carry some weight and consequence, but surprisingly it does not to them. i am not sure how to articulate this but you will feel it. they will be ready to go to the end of the universe with you, but they will also stand you up without notice the following night.

i have had a couple of real relationships here, but they are absolutely dwarfed by the number of fake ones. just think of the scene in "the matrix" where the bald guy is talking about how he knows the steak on his plate is not real, but it still tastes delicious. that pretty much summarizes this hobby in colombia, if not the entire world.