FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Pistons;2009346]Many girls below that 7 mark seems to sometimes have a very hard time earning enough for entry fee. Which makes me question the validitiy of that whole entry fee for girls idea. I have never done a 6 and below at an FKK either. But to me, about half the girls I see are 6 and below. So something is wrong. [/QUOTE]What percentage of girls make it to 7 or more? A lot can get a 7 or more for the body, but much less make it for the face. A 9 girl is seriously scarce. I see a lot more pretty faces on the street in France or even in England (ignoring the fatties).

When a club has too many girls, there has to be a deterrent to keep out girls who can't make any money. That method seems to be the entry fee. I have not heard of the club screening girls, and saying some cannot work because they are just too fat or too ugly. I maybe wrong. However it seemed that Sharks would accept most girls.

In other countries, brothels may kick out girls that seem to be generally very low rated, to improve their overall standard and image.

Girls maybe deluding themselves at first, thinking that any girl can be a well paid hooker, and looks don't matter. For sure exceptionally ugly girls, do sometimes last, and do get customers. I assume they must be giving exceptional service, and that maybe all that some customers want. However Sharks turn over is high. Many girls try it but cannot make money. They don't the base of regular customers.

Many customers like a club to have too many girls, however I dislike it on the grounds that girls are getting too stressed by lack of customers. I will choose the ones that seem like they can relax and have fun (and are good looking).

Without an entry fee, the club would be absolutely flooded with undesirable girls, and we don't want that. Perhaps it already is a bit over stocked with very ordinary looking girls and too few stunners. The whole market is in decline.

So the club should be raising entry fees in order reduce girl numbers and decreasing the entry fee to increase girl numbers. For the popular girls, the exact entry price won't be the most important factor in choosing the club to work in. More likely to be: Where do the rules of the club suit her, and where does she get the best customers, how far to travel?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2009436]What percentage of girls make it to 7 or more? A lot can get a 7 or more for the body, but much less make it for the face. A 9 girl is seriously scarce. I see a lot more pretty faces on the street in France or even in England (ignoring the fatties).

When a club has too many girls, there has to be a deterrent to keep out girls who can't make any money. That method seems to be the entry fee. I have not heard of the club screening girls, and saying some cannot work because they are just too fat or too ugly. I maybe wrong. However it seemed that Sharks would accept most girls.

In other countries, brothels may kick out girls that seem to be generally very low rated, to improve their overall standard and image.

Girls maybe deluding themselves at first, thinking that any girl can be a well paid hooker, and looks don't matter. For sure exceptionally ugly girls, do sometimes last, and do get customers. I assume they must be giving exceptional service, and that maybe all that some customers want. However Sharks turn over is high. Many girls try it but cannot make money..[/QUOTE]I think the right explanation could be that the business model of the club is to live from the entry fees coming from girls and mongers. The clubs don't care if the girls are earning money or not only important for them is to get the entry fees.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2009346]Many girls below that 7 mark seems to sometimes have a very hard time earning enough for entry fee. Which makes me question the validity of that whole entry fee for girls idea.[/QUOTE]Good observation, Pistons.

I had the same observation and I started to suspect the whole "women are also guests" sort of setting.

Yes, I did see some women handing in some banknotes to the front desk lady before entering the club to work, but who knows what happens under the table, right?

Maybe they get their money back after work? Maybe they reimburse their entry by offering service to the stakeholders? And many other possibilities that are more tough and ugly to imagine.

At the FKK Dietzenbach thread, one member stated his suspicion of women using some special substances to keep them energetic.

The truth is always tough and ugly, and we punters are very unlucky to have a hobby that connects deeply to the world's most complicated industry.

If you go further, you will see it is more about providing an illusion that men prefer to believe.

"The women are there as guests, just like any one of us. They somehow love to have sex with random men in the club! However, they are in need of some cash because they have no jobs, so we men shall give some Euros to them as a gift after meeting them, etc. "

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2009436]What percentage of girls make it to 7 or more? A lot can get a 7 or more for the body, but much less make it for the face. I see a lot more pretty faces on the street in France or even in England (ignoring the fatties).

When a club has too many girls, there has to be a deterrent to keep out girls who can't make any money. That method seems to be the entry fee. I have not heard of the club screening girls, and saying some cannot work because they are just too fat or too ugly. I maybe wrong. However it seemed that Sharks would accept most girls.

Girls maybe deluding themselves at first, thinking that any girl can be a well paid hooker, and looks don't matter. Many girls try it but cannot make money. They don't the base of regular customers.

Many customers like a club to have too many girls, however I dislike it on the grounds that girls are getting too stressed by lack of customers. I will choose the ones that seem like they can relax and have fun (and are good looking).[/QUOTE]This post includes some excellent points! For me, one of the absolute biggest reasons I turn a girl down is the face. This is why I make sure I get right up on a tute so I can check her out real good. What looked good from afar may not look so hot up close. For me, the fail is often in the face.

And, I think some girls absolutely do delude themselves! They all think they understand men, but they do not. If you're going to make money at an FKK, then you can't just show up and splay your legs open! There's going to be competition, and you need to steadily appeal to clients if you're going to make money and win! I can never understand why girls will ask for a threesome when one of the girls is totally not in the same league as the hot one in the pair! I know that maybe the hottie is trying to help her friend out, but it does not work! And eventually the ugly duckling drops out because she can't earn!

One thing I can say with confidence about Sharks is that the number of girls there causes not only the ugliest but also good looking girls to leave. There was this blonde Italian girl (don't recall her name) who would sit on the little stage to the right as you enter the lounge and approach the bar. She was quite attractive according to my tastes. During my recent three week tour, at the end of it I saw her working over at Oase (with a kind of "I Dream of Jeannie" hairdo). She said that there were just too many girls over there. So, too many tutes can cause not only the ugliest to lose, but some lookers too. I warned Mandy at Artemis who asked me which club I had been too had the most men. I said Sharks, but I told her that Sharks had the most girls too, and therefore the most competition. She said she might check out Sharks, but that she was happy at Artemis in Berlin too.

By the way, I heard that Club Globe in Zurich definitely screens out girls on more than just an entrance fee. If you're too fat, not attractive enough, then you can't work there. And even then, once you're in at Globe, you need to work to stay in! You get fat or your performance slips, you're out! Many, many girls cannot stand up to that kind of pressure.

Syz: if about half the girls are 6 and below, about half are also 7 and up. Averages for face / body etc ofcourse. Now I didn't specify the club, but among the clubs I visit or have been to. Some clubs have higher rates, some lower. And it changes. So I guess thats where my average meter is... I guess if I was a judge in a fitness competition or a math teacher I'd get fired huh? For not placing average at 5. But then again, I am nice. It depends on what you compare them to also.

The market is not in decline either. It is just stagnant... but the customerbase may change clubs or scenery from time to time. But the number of girls seems to go up, so more to divide that cake on. Maybe not because recruitment rate grows, but because girls seem to stay in the business longer...

There are mechanisms for ruling out girls also without having an entry fee. I'll be damned for example if a few of the old fat romanians who worked at Artemis last year for a few months ever got a room. They got in after that raid and occupied one of the sofas... rumors from girls has it that some clubs (like LR) have had management handpick girls out of for example optics. So it is possible...

What is the name of the girl who sometimes hangs out with Blonde Cosmina?

Let me try narrow it down further, hopefully.

- Dark hair. Oval face. Pretty looks and smile. Small tits. Not as thin as Cosmina. About as tall as Cosmina.

- She is always trying to get Asian clients.

- She was there Friday and Saturday. Both Cosmina and her were working on a high roller Asian client. Just sitting on the couch.

- Sits near the pole when she is free.

BTW. Is Janine, De ever free now? She is hanging out with ugly, old Germans. Just sitting around. Not that Janine is super great in the room, but I'm glad I had her many times when she started.

The whole women are guests or not may just be a deception because of the legal system. But nothing is withholding night clubs from having ladies nights with free entry also. So the point on behalf of the FKK's for projecting this image would be moot in that case anyway. So they are probably if so just being overcareful while being clueless on the laws. Which we pretty much all know they are anyway regarding recent events... The other reasoning: psychology on sales could be it also. But I highly doubt that would work. Unless guys are really dumb...

JJForum: Cosminas's friend, the super asian hunter expert is 99% likely to be Evita... asians tend to like her looks. I'd personally place Cosmina above her though... it is funny, but when I frequented asia and macau in the past, some girls told me caucasian men allways picked them also, while asians almost never did. So it led me to think beauty is somehow ethnically based also. It is more than just the individuals perhaps...

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2009442]I think the right explanation could be that the business model of the club is to live from the entry fees coming from girls and mongers. The clubs don't care if the girls are earning money or not only important for them is to get the entry fees.[/QUOTE]Seems to be Sharks business strategy: as many girls as possible, paying 75 for entry + 25 for taxes + 20 if sleeping. 1 WG worth 2 clients for money. 100 girls pay 10000 per day, 3.5 million per year.

At Globe, they don't accept too many girls on tour and are more selective for look and care, even I saw some not pretty faces or a quite fat black there, but maybe they have clients asking for black girls.

[QUOTE=JJForum61;2009485]What is the name of the girl who sometimes hangs out with Blonde Cosmina?

Let me try narrow it down further, hopefully.

- Dark hair. Oval face. Pretty looks and smile. Small tits. Not as thin as Cosmina. About as tall as Cosmina.

- She is always trying to get Asian clients.

- She was there Friday and Saturday. Both Cosmina and her were working on a high roller Asian client. Just sitting on the couch.

- Sits near the pole when she is free.

BTW. Is Janine, De ever free now? She is hanging out with ugly, old Germans. Just sitting around. Not that Janine is super great in the room, but I'm glad I had her many times when she started.[/QUOTE]That's Evita. They are paid handsomely by the gentleman in question for their time. They were not working on him.

What's the basis for the claim that the market is declining? Seen from the pov of Sharks mgmt, they seem to be fine with the club hopping with a large number of men and women. Their finances probably are darned good at the moment. Seen from the point of men, if you have a lot of girls to choose from, that's a good thing to have. Sure, not all girls are 9s, sure some good girls may not be there; I wish all my favorites were always in the club, but rarely do I have trouble finding enough girls that I want to fuck. As for the girls, the good ones seem to be busy as always. The average ones may be having trouble, but that's how the market should function: weeding out the weak hands.

What we read here is that on certain days, such as Wednesdays and Sundays, the club gets overpopulated with locals who come for some cheap food and R&R and take few / no fucks. That seems to be a function of demand demographics on specific days and not because there are too many girls.

[QUOTE=EnderW;2009540]That's Evita. They are paid handsomely by the gentleman in question for their time. They were not working on him.[/QUOTE]Clever from them I suppose, maximizing their revenue and preserving their physical integrity, in the same way with a rich regular.

I don't know how they can only have Asian customers, as it is not the whole attendance at Sharks.

Janine also, sitting with regular German guys near the lockers, without doing any session. I guest she is paid for that, otherwise it is pointless for her to come.

[QUOTE=JJForum61;2009485] She is hanging out with ugly, old Germans.[/QUOTE]I do believe you left out grey haired like a little mouse is colored.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2009461]Yes, I did see some women handing in some banknotes to the front desk lady before entering the club to work, but who knows what happens under the table, right?[/QUOTE]I can confirm that I saw some men too, handing over money to the front desk at Sharks. Even I did it. Many times!

But who knows what happens under the table, right?

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2009461]At the FKK Dietzenbach thread, one member stated his suspicion of women using some special substances to keep them energetic.[/QUOTE]Quite a few men need to take Viagra or something similar. And many men cannot approach women without consuming (lots of) alcohol in advance.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;2009461]we punters are very unlucky to have a hobby that connects deeply to the world's most complicated industry.[/QUOTE]Since it is one of the oldest business models on earth, it can't be that complicated, or? Let's say for 90 or more percent it is quite simple nowadays! On the surface: money transfer from men to women, immensely facilitated by sex! On a deeper level: money transfer from horny men to mostly male business men, immensely facilitated via sex!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2009472]I heard that Club Globe in Zurich definitely screens out girls on more than just an entrance fee. If you're too fat, not attractive enough, then you can't work there. And even then, once you're in at Globe, you need to work to stay in! You get fat or your performance slips, you're out! Many, many girls cannot stand up to that kind of pressure.[/QUOTE]This is true.

I heard from a girl I know last trip that the recent massive influx of girls was a promotion done to help offset the recent renovation / new rooms cost. Downside is as has been said, many of the top girls are frustrated with the new girls as it cuts into their earning potential.