East China - Shanghai

Are the Jingan spas getting back to normal? Seems so. My regulars are too busy to ply me with "when you coming to see me?

Anybody noticed that NLO had been Offline for the last few days? I wonder what happened, or are they simply on Spring Break?

FYI. Nightlife Online now is offline per the current update on the web page.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2301375]I have heard that Manhattans and judy's is all men last night with no girls to be seen.

The bartender at Manhattans said Judy's was raided the night before. It's still going on. Sorry that's all the details I have.[/QUOTE]Just got back from both places this past weekend and I can say everything is back to normal. Manhattan was definitely the place with more gals. Prices seem to start at 2500 but seems they would drop to 2000 after the first "no". Back at Judy's prices seem the same at first but they seemed more negotiable. Can't complain with either places in fact I usually start at one then bounce to the other if I don't like the vibe I go back to the original places again. Here's a bit of advice the taxi's at both locations are all trying to scam riders by either not using the meter or the meter is rigged to run fast. I think if you walk around the corner of the street and catch a taxi as it's coming by they are more legit. One thing I notice was the police would walk the beat up and down the street maybe to just keep an eye on things.

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2304616]Just got back from both places this past weekend and I can say everything is back to normal. Manhattan was definitely the place with more gals. Prices seem to start at 2500 but seems they would drop to 2000 after the first "no". Back at Judy's prices seem the same at first but they seemed more negotiable. Can't complain with either places in fact I usually start at one then bounce to the other if I don't like the vibe I go back to the original places again. Here's a bit of advice the taxi's at both locations are all trying to scam riders by either not using the meter or the meter is rigged to run fast. I think if you walk around the corner of the street and catch a taxi as it's coming by they are more legit. One thing I notice was the police would walk the beat up and down the street maybe to just keep an eye on things.[/QUOTE]Was wondering what are the costs at judy's and MP in the ji'An area. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Avonite;2305049]Was wondering what are the costs at judy's and MP in the ji'An area. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I was at Judy's 2 months ago in February. For one shot I paid 1000-1200 for just about any girl I was interested in. The only ones that wanted more were some Columbians (white girls) at 2000. I was horny and paid 1200 to the first girl the first night without negotiating. I was then the 1200 guy and all girls wanted 1200. I did pick up a cute spinner for 1200/ two shots. She was angry because I had paid her friend 1400. That however included taxi to pudong which was 100 each way. No girl gave me a hard time at 1200 at judy's.

I have a 1000/2 shot rule that I think still works at judy's for more than half the girls. I didn't know when I was going to make it back to shanghai. I was more interested in variety so I was willing to pay 1000-1200 for one early in the night and go back to pick up and do it again with another later.

At Manhattan's, the hottest girl in the place approached me and said her price was 2000. (thin viet about 5'10, golden tan probably from a tanning bed, with long blonde hair to her waist, Hair I assumed dyed but extremely well done and looked appropriate.). I don't know if I could have got her for 1500 but I was popped out after a long week and had nothing left to pop.

[QUOTE=Avonite;2305049]Was wondering what are the costs at judy's and MP in the ji'An area. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]At both Judy's and Manhattan the girls I chose quoted 1500 and same for my wing man Chris. It appeared to be the going rate with no negotiation. As SamCan says I have no doubt you could counter and depending on the girl she would take it. We were ready to roll so we did not counter and were both happy with our four sessions between us all at 1500.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2305200]At both Judy's and Manhattan the girls I chose quoted 1500 and same for my wing man Chris. It appeared to be the going rate with no negotiation. As SamCan says I have no doubt you could counter and depending on the girl she would take it. We were ready to roll so we did not counter and were both happy with our four sessions between us all at 1500.[/QUOTE]1500 is the price for 1 shot or overnight?

I was at both M and J last night (Friday night). At 11 pm M was packed and no seats were available. I did a lap around and saw some ok looking girls. Plenty of thin girls but quite a few with serious plastic surgery. A few girls came up to introduce themselves but weren't pushy and walked away quickly when I declined their company. They also had a live band for those interested in that. Had 1 tsingtao beer for 50 rmb and left for J.

J was a much bigger bar, draft tiger beer was 45 rmb. Quality of women seemed lower. Quite a few more older ladies.

What time do most of the ladies start arriving? If I plan to go M at 8 pm is that too early? Will the place be empty?

Yes, 8:00 pm is too early. The girls start arriving between 9:15 and 9:30.

Red Rider.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2305403]1500 is the price for 1 shot or overnight?

[/QUOTE]For me 1500 or so has been overnight, 1000 is one shot/actually sometimes 2. I never quibble about 100 rmb or so but as I have said, the rate you pay the first time becomes your rate. They all talk.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2305405]Yes, 8:00 pm is too early. The girls start arriving between 9:15 and 9:30.

Red Rider.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamCan;2305421]For me 1500 or so has been overnight, 1000 is one shot/actually sometimes 2. I never quibble about 100 rmb or so but as I have said, the rate you pay the first time becomes your rate. They all talk.[/QUOTE]Thanks fellas.

I made the trip to M again last night. Had dinner first at the blind pig which was fantastic, one of the few places that accept foreign credit cards, and headed to the bar at 9. 30 pm.

Red Rider was completely right, at 9. 30 is the place was still relatively empty but the girls was constantly flowing in. I grabbed a seat by the door and watched the parade. Eventually I saw a very pretty young girl walk in, and I thought there was a chance she was Chinese. She got a drink at the bar then sat down and dived into her phone. Not one to be discouraged I walked up and started chatting to her. Mildly surprised she was Vietnamese, as she didn't have the typical look. She's called Mia and said she was from Hanoi (and I suspect there's some serious Han Chinese blood in her) and was 21 or so. After a little while (she wasn't too chatty) I ask her to leave but she said the girls can't leave before 10.30 pm which was a surprise. That explains why the guys don't show up super early either. We play a bit of drinking games (high / low card game on my phone) but she's not a big drinker so I call a taxi shortly after 10.30 pm. My hotel's about 20+ minutes away but only costs about 30 rmb.

We get to the room and she strips off very quickly. Holy shit she has a nice body. Ass is a little flat but otherwise excellent. Fair skin, big tits (high quality silicone seems like), pink nipples, no tattoos. We get on the bed and she asks for cash upfront. Shit. Initially we arrange for overnight but didn't discuss price (a mistake in hindsight). Gave her half upfront (800) then she flipped out saying short time was 1500 while overnight was 3000. Double shit. I wasn't really interested in overnight at the 3 k price range so had no choice but to agree to 1500 for 1 shot. She was way too pretty to leave my hotel room unfucked haha so I didn't have any leverage. Gave a reasonable but short BBBJ and jumped on after putting on the condom. CG, doggy, missionary, shoot. Had to hold her legs in place as she tried that thing where they try to limit the penetration.

After I finished she jumped in the shower and tried to get me to give 100 for taxi. I thought about giving her nothing, but frankly she's just pretty enough that I might be interested in wechatting her over for another session if I'm ever too lazy to get back to M&Js. So caved and gave her 50.

Now I'm sure all the M girls won't take anything less than 1500ST, and I'm sure most of the hotter girls in J will try for the same. Perhaps next weekend I'll head there a little later (just after midnight maybe) and see if I can get overnight for 2 k. But to be honest even though 1500 is expensive compared to HK, some of these Viets may just be worth it. I'm going to go back tonight and try judys first, see if I can ST for 1000-1200.

Just came back from J's. Tried chatting up a 9/10 and a 7/10. Both pitched 1500ST and weren't willing to come down. Definitely some price fixing bullshit happening.

Just flew in today. Slept early and woke up around 2:00 am. Figure why not make a visit. Exited the taxi and seen two security guards outside. Was concerned but went in anyways. At 3:00 am, M was empty. Completely empty. I don't remember it being empty from previous visits. Concerns?

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2305962]Just came back from J's. Tried chatting up a 9/10 and a 7/10. Both pitched 1500ST and weren't willing to come down. Definitely some price fixing bullshit happening.[/QUOTE]Yes I think 1500 is going rate and the prettiest girls are going to get it. SamCan is unique in his ability to get better deals though if I recall his last report he too was paying near market. I personally don't think we can complain too much. When there were a bunch of sauna options J and M were one of many alternatives. Now with almost all that underground or seedy or bait and switch, the value of Judy's and Manhattan has gone up exponentially. I am really happy with the girls I get for 1500 FWIW.

I do a lot of worldwide travel so I can tell you it is still a good value. In order of pricing for girls of similar quality and including BBBJ it goes something like this (lowest to highest) Brazil, Thailand, Germany, London & Judy's / Manhattan tie, Spain, Japan &Russia tie, Switzerland, United States. Others may have slightly different opinions but this is all from real world experiences. I put $200-250/ hour around the mid-point and that is where J and M come in these days.

I agree. Last time I got one spinner for 1000 and paid 1200 for the rest. I don't usually take any from Ms. I agree their pricing is higher and frankly I don't see a big difference. Are some of the M girls prettier? Yea, sure but not that much on average. Are there a couple standouts? Yea definitely,, there was one hot one at M's that wanted 2000 ST , i was too shot to offer less or pay it . it had been a long week of banging by then

I also had a massage and got a chinese massage girl to come to my hotel. For 1000. She hit me up for taxi money so 1100.

I had no trouble with 1200 at Ms. Couple girls were giving me trouble at 1000 but 1200 was out the door.

i also paid 2 girls 1400-1500 to come see me in pudong but that included 100 each way taxi money as it's far away

You guys may be right at M's but I usually go their first and grab something at J's as my willpower is gone by that point.

of course, i have never negotiated with the girl naked in bed.... i don't think i would have the best leverage there. lol

Just my 2 cents.