Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

I think one of the biggest reasons I don't like soapies anymore is the format. The innocent girl bathing you routine is how various Asian cultures do foreplay. It's just a routine to me (one that I am fairly bored of), and it tends to just bore me more than anything. So I only see value in the soapies if they have stunners that the oillies don't have. And that is no longer the case anymore. There is both an actual talent crunch, but also a clique where *all* the girls in some soapies have nosejobs. Their clientele are 90% or more asian.

The biggest problem I have with gogo's is that their price is getting too close to FS in my own country, where I can choose between Koreans, Thais and Chinese. In my home, in San Francisco, I can pay 7000 baht for ST. It's nothing like Thailand, where you can easily see a whole dance floor before you buy. However, there are plenty of 8/10's hotties offering 7000 baht ST. And being at home and talent scouting isn't hard, especially with sites like these. In Thailand, I pay 4000 baht at a gogo for what used to pass as a bar girl (7. 5/10 at best most times). As for service, it's almost always okay. But in my home, the asian working girls are usually Korean, and just seem to provide much better service everytime. I think that is a training difference though, not directly a cultural difference.

Basically with Gogo's, once they eclipse the 3000 baht price, they are prohibitively more expensive to me than soapies. I do pay 5000 baht at a soapy, but that's on occasion and the girl truly is a stunner.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1843640]Japanese or Koreans that have 5 inches, fuck 4 minutes (or was it 4 and 5? Forget the joke detail), and pay 3 K, for sure are going to be extremely popular. However, I do find I can get to some of the very nice girls for my spec. Often my spec girls are not the same as the Japanese and Korean spec. If you do not go for ghostly white fake looking girls, can do okay Most of my girls prefer western guys (or so they say). Perhaps it is more so that western men prefer them more than Asians do.

Very hard indeed to find free lancers with perfect looks. Before the clothes come off, you don't know what you are getting. With freelancers you have to compromise on the face and body significantly to get a lower price. Still no performance guarantee. I have not ben so lucky with getting any really enjoyable freelancers that I want to repeat many times. Sometimes the experience was weak. Sometimes the body defects including baby damage put me off too much. Guess I am just too fussy about the looks.[/QUOTE]I agree about the oilies being the best option in Bangkok today in terms of performances of the girls in particular, my experience sees performances of girls in oilies rating on average 7 out of 10, in massage parlors 6, in gogos 6 and freelancers in discos at the bottom of the list with a 5 out of 10 in terms of average performances. It would be interesting to hear if other punters had the same or different experiences.

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The biggest problem I have with gogo's is that their price is getting too close to FS in my own country, where I can choose between Koreans, Thais and Chinese. In my home, in San Francisco, I can pay 7000 baht for ST. It's nothing like Thailand, where you can easily see a whole dance floor before you buy. However, there are plenty of 8/10's hotties offering 7000 baht ST. And being at home and talent scouting isn't hard, especially with sites like these. In Thailand, I pay 4000 baht at a gogo for what used to pass as a bar girl (7. 5/10 at best most times). As for service, it's almost always okay. But in my home, the asian working girls are usually Korean, and just seem to provide much better service everytime. I think that is a training difference though, not directly a cultural difference.
[/QUOTE]In general I find Korean girls less good looking than Thais for my taste. I gave up Thai girls in my home country many years ago, mainly because was like 2500 Baht for 30 minutes. That amount of time was not enough for me. Thailand used to provide me with 3 or 4 times the amount of time, for a similar price or less. As Thailand gets more pricey, this may not still be the case, but I have no clue about prices in my own country any more. The quality for looks was not that great in former times, so I doubt has improved much. Did have some good fucks back home many years ago though.

I did manage to give up everything back hoe without too much difficulty many years ago, at least, when discovered German FKK clubs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1843841]In general I find Korean girls less good looking than Thais for my taste. I gave up Thai girls in my home country many years ago, mainly because was like 2500 Baht for 30 minutes. That amount of time was not enough for me. Thailand used to provide me with 3 or 4 times the amount of time, for a similar price or less. As Thailand gets more pricey, this may not still be the case, but I have no clue about prices in my own country any more. The quality for looks was not that great in former times, so I doubt has improved much. Did have some good fucks back home many years ago though.

I did manage to give up everything back hoe without too much difficulty many years ago, at least, when discovered German FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]Always loved Koreans. Best plastic surgeons in the world and the chicks look great after surgery, unlike most Thai gals. The majority of the P4 P gals I had in my home country were Korean and all were pretty skilled. Far nastier mouths and more intense than Thai gals. They screw you with aggression; not unlike Viet gals who I also love. And most tend to be white skinned.

The soapie bath didn't really do much for me in the past. Too much like bath time as a child. But I tried to change my outlook and enjoy it more and now I find it relaxing and a great way to appreciate a nice big pair of wet tits. The problem with the oilies is that 90% of the girls have babies and it's a bit of a hassle to find the ones who don't. Probably the ones who don't also have lower service standards so I wouldn't say you'd necessarily get better service in an oily compared to a soapie. The gogos are way overpriced for what you get. The total price is 4000+ baht for what? Having a shower on your own and then a quick fuck? For that price you can get a much better quality girl in the soapies and spend longer with her. It's great when you're on holiday but when you actually live here the lady drink and "conversation" that goes with it is just a frustrating waste of time. For me what you get at Nataree is better than anything you get in the oilies or gogos.

[QUOTE=*****man;1843980]The soapie bath didn't really do much for me in the past. Too much like bath time as a child. But I tried to change my outlook and enjoy it more and now I find it relaxing and a great way to appreciate a nice big pair of wet tits. The problem with the oilies is that 90% of the girls have babies and it's a bit of a hassle to find the ones who don't. Probably the ones who don't also have lower service standards so I wouldn't say you'd necessarily get better service in an oily compared to a soapie. The gogos are way overpriced for what you get. The total price is 4000+ baht for what? Having a shower on your own and then a quick fuck? For that price you can get a much better quality girl in the soapies and spend longer with her. It's great when you're on holiday but when you actually live here the lady drink and "conversation" that goes with it is just a frustrating waste of time. For me what you get at Nataree is better than anything you get in the oilies or gogos.[/QUOTE]Agree that the choice at Nataree is fantastic, but almost impossible to get BBBJ (very few exceptions), which is a joke in 2016! GO to beerbar Soi 7, spend time talking and bring the lady to your room for 1200 you will get everything!

[QUOTE=*****man;1843980]The gogos are way overpriced for what you get. The total price is 4000+ baht for what? Having a shower on your own and then a quick fuck? For that price you can get a much better quality girl in the soapies and spend longer with her. It's great when you're on holiday but when you actually live here the lady drink and "conversation" that goes with it is just a frustrating waste of time. [/QUOTE]I come in Thailand for holiday but I always found spend my time (and money) in drink and ladydrinks very boring and waste of time.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1843983]Agree that the choice at Nataree is fantastic, but almost impossible to get BBBJ (very few exceptions), which is a joke in 2016! GO to beerbar Soi 7, spend time talking and bring the lady to your room for 1200 you will get everything![/QUOTE]Interesting. I never take CBJ, but then I haven't taken any Nataree girl recently either.

[QUOTE=*****man;1843980]The soapie bath didn't really do much for me in the past. Too much like bath time as a child. But I tried to change my outlook and enjoy it more and now I find it relaxing and a great way to appreciate a nice big pair of wet tits. The problem with the oilies is that 90% of the girls have babies and it's a bit of a hassle to find the ones who don't. Probably the ones who don't also have lower service standards so I wouldn't say you'd necessarily get better service in an oily compared to a soapie. The gogos are way overpriced for what you get. The total price is 4000+ baht for what? Having a shower on your own and then a quick fuck? For that price you can get a much better quality girl in the soapies and spend longer with her. It's great when you're on holiday but when you actually live here the lady drink and "conversation" that goes with it is just a frustrating waste of time. For me what you get at Nataree is better than anything you get in the oilies or gogos.[/QUOTE]Not having time to have a long conversation with a Soapy girl, is actually precisely where the problem is. No assessment of chemistry. 2nd problem is don't know her body till she takes her clothes off, and don't know how she will sieze up in the legs until she sees the man naked. Combination of these 3 problems leads me to a poor success with Nataree girls and Soapy girls in general, in the modern day, and not having a mamasan that knows exactly what I am looking for (like I used to have at Chao Praya 2 many years ago).

In a bar there is some opportunity to find out more about a girl first, then throw her back. It's not foolproof but there are advantages, that I do not consider to be a waste of time. Maybe speaking Thai helps make the chat time of more use, I don't know.

Plenty of times, I think a girl may appeal, call her for a chat for a bit, but soon could decide I don't really don't like her that much after all. Sometimes a girl did not stay that long either. She had a chance to decide she did not like me that much too, or became scared of something.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1843983]Agree that the choice at Nataree is fantastic, but almost impossible to get BBBJ (very few exceptions), which is a joke in 2016! GO to beerbar Soi 7, spend time talking and bring the lady to your room for 1200 you will get everything![/QUOTE]There was a heated debate about BBBJ in Nataree a while back. It seems that if you ask downstairs most of the girls will refuse but if you don't say anything and ask the girl when you get to the room it's more like 50-50.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1844117]Not having time to have a long conversation with a Soapy girl, is actually precisely where the problem is. No assessment of chemistry. 2nd problem is don't know her body till she takes her clothes off, and don't know how she will sieze up in the legs until she sees the man naked. Combination of these 3 problems leads me to a poor success with Nataree girls and Soapy girls in general, in the modern day, and not having a mamasan that knows exactly what I am looking for (like I used to have at Chao Praya 2 many years ago).

In a bar there is some opportunity to find out more about a girl first, then throw her back. It's not foolproof but there are advantages, that I do not consider to be a waste of time. Maybe speaking Thai helps make the chat time of more use, I don't know.

Plenty of times, I think a girl may appeal, call her for a chat for a bit, but soon could decide I don't really don't like her that much after all. Sometimes a girl did not stay that long either. She had a chance to decide she did not like me that much too, or became scared of something.[/QUOTE]Plenty of times in the past I took a girl who seemed great while chatting in the bar but back in the hotel it was the usual go shower, wrap up in towel then mediocre sex routine. I speak Thai a lot better now than I did back then but it's difficult to have any kind of conversation in those noisy bars. At least in a soapie the girl doesn't go and have a shower by herself and then come out wrapped in a towel. You're at least guaranteed bathing with a nice young girl who is then compliant in bed. I always bring a decent lube and use plenty of it which the girls appreciate. It's true sometimes the body isn't quite as good as you hoped, maybe a flat arse or chunky legs or whatever but if she's young, slim and child-free then she's sure to have a fairly decent body.

[QUOTE=*****man;1844255]There was a heated debate about BBBJ in Nataree a while back. It seems that if you ask downstairs most of the girls will refuse but if you don't say anything and ask the girl when you get to the room it's more like 50-50.

Plenty of times in the past I took a girl who seemed great while chatting in the bar but back in the hotel it was the usual go shower, wrap up in towel then mediocre sex routine. I speak Thai a lot better now than I did back then but it's difficult to have any kind of conversation in those noisy bars. At least in a soapie the girl doesn't go and have a shower by herself and then come out wrapped in a towel. You're at least guaranteed bathing with a nice young girl who is then compliant in bed. I always bring a decent lube and use plenty of it which the girls appreciate. It's true sometimes the body isn't quite as good as you hoped, maybe a flat arse or chunky legs or whatever but if she's young, slim and child-free then she's sure to have a fairly decent body.[/QUOTE]I can only say that every time I have had a BBBJ there.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1843627]Thanks for your input, and I pretty much agree with you. I have practically given up on GoGos, way too expensive and not much quality. Plus folks from SEA seem to get first pick, and I don't belong to that group. Too bad for me.

Yeah, the oilers seem to be good for the money. I have been pleased with my experiences there. I also have discovered free lancers a few years ago and I am happy with that avenue. I've met quite a few lovely ladies that way, and I am fairly pleased with the price.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I understand your comment about folks from SEA getting first pics at the GoGos. The customers in there are mainly westerners, Japenese, and Korean, mainly tourists. You will few or none from South East Asian countries. Guys from Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnemam, and Indonesia just don't have the coin to spend and can get it back home. However you may find the odd Malasysian man there.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1844579]I'm not sure I understand your comment about folks from SEA getting first pics at the GoGos. The customers in there are mainly westerners, Japenese, and Korean, mainly tourists.[/QUOTE]I believe the OP is referring to Japanese and Korean customers. On Soi 33 there are karaoke bars and clubs, and Vanilla, a BJ bar that are strictly for Japanese and Korean. If you a round eye, the ladies sitting outside don't even look at you.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1844597]I believe the OP is referring to Japanese and Korean customers...[/QUOTE]Thanks Java Man, indeed that's what I meant, Korean, Japanese, and Chinese. I apologize for mis-using the acronym SEA, my bad.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1844576]I can only say that every time I have had a BBBJ there.[/QUOTE]You must be the lucky handsome young man. I have been going there Nataree at least a few times a year for about 15 years, and the BBBJ rate has declined to abysmal, especially the outside the fish tank sideliners. I think I went there about 8-9 times in past 2-3 years, I don't recall I got any BBBJ from these young cute sideliners. But in the past like more than 7-8 yeras ago, it was the norm. My BKK expat friend who gets calls from papasan when new things come in, too feel BBBJ in Nataree but also Ratchada parlors are gradually getting extinct, I also go other shops frequently when I am in BKK like Emmannuel, Caesar, Catherine, Avita, Meree, ect, the BBBJ rate has definitely declined in recent yeras, I guess the workers are getting more informed the risk, and customers demand less, especially the Chinese and other Asian clients which is now the main core of these mega parlors.