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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2059787]Thank you. It must be 50 for 30 minutes and 60 for 40 or 45 min. So those clubs are now the same price as the upper-class clubs of NRW.[/QUOTE]There weren't many girls at either place I would want to spend more than 20 minutes with. Just an opinion.
I don't remember exact prices, but I am 90% sure they were lower than GT and Finca (my other destinations on my trip). 40 for 30 minutes? Please don't quote me.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2055083] Just last week Wanking reported the pricing was 30 for BBBJ and covered sex, 10 euro upgrade to AO sex and a further 10 euro uograde for CIM.[/QUOTE]Wanking is an all-time great on these pages. He was one of the first on this internet forum to spread the word and actively promote AO activity and AO clubs. So, it is good to see that he is doing it right up to the end.
The point is who sets the rules here? Who is the authority on these pages who imposes the deadline as to the best time that we should cease discussing AO activity altogether.
Is it 4 years ago when the idea of a new law was first mooted?
Is it 3 years ago when it was confirmed that a new law was being drafted.
Is it 2 years ago when the law was going through parliament.
Is it 1 year ago when the new law was confirmed as having being passed.
Is it 6 months, 3 months, 1 month, 1 week before the new law comes into effect.
About 2 months ago some people on the board seemed to have decided for the rest of us that we should cease discussion of AO sex from that point. Others sheepishly agreed. But why that particular point?
What I do know is that for a period in advance of the new law coming into effect that these clubs had adjusted their behaviour to one that they think will be fit the new regime. So, no advertising of AO on the internet or on name cards, no public AO sex allowed, signs saying that condoms are compulsory and so on. Then in the rooms AO sex will almost definitely be available if the girls know you. However, there is likely to be a price increase as the girls will charge a small amount for providing the AO that they did for no extra charge before.
So we would have been able to get an idea as to how the post law scenario would look like from what was happening in the few weeks before. This would be useful to to know. However if we had followed the 'controllers' in not allowing any AO talk before the law came into place then we would not have known the lie of the land as it is going to be now.
I am not incurring the costs and the time of travelling to Germany only to find that it is condom everything. I can get that at home.
Also, I don't want to be ripped off. I don't want to be paying 10 euros extra for each of BBBJ, CIM and CIP. This would mean paying 60 euros when before it was half that amount at 30 euros before the law change.
Thanks to Wanking's intrepid reporting (and his ignoring of the controllers on this board) we now know that going into the new regime that the AO service that most guys want (which is CIP) will most likely be available for just 10 euros extra. This prevents complete newbies being ripped off by the girls because they don't know what the 'going rate' is.
Then there were those guys who have been reporting that the girls are saying that they will only guarantee AO sex for those guys that are known to them from before the law took effect. Would this not be useful to know in advance of entering this new period? Armed with this information then guys would have been advised to have tried to visit a few clubs before the law change just to show their face so that the girls were likely to remember them for when they visit after the change in law. Now it would be too late.
I am probably the only one who has been making the very important point that it does not matter so much that there is a new law as to how the law is going to be enforced, if at all!
There is an indoor smoking ban in Germany in public places however you would never have guessed it given that practically all of the girl's chain smoke all day long inside the small confines of the RTC clubs with the patrons forced to inhale their smoke. The authorities don't bother with this but they would bother if you lit up in a normal German nightclub. So enforcement of the smoking ban indoors is selective by the authorities.
I strongly believe that the authorities will have far more pressing matters like concentrating on stopping those AO gangbangs which were advertised widely with mostly trafficked Romanian / Bulgarian girls before the law change where anyone could walk in off the street and join in without any testing. Also, those women who advertise for AO activities in apartments. I agree that the situation that existed before where an unwitting person could walk into a RTC and see unprotected sex happening in front of your eyes was clearly not acceptable and so needed to stop, which it has.
The authorities may not bother with RTCs, where AO sex is happening privately between consenting adults behind closed doors and there is no real evidence that it took place. Anonymous reports on forums is not credible evidence as there is lots of false reporting and claims on line. Entrapment and under cover reporting is not part of German law enforcement like it is in the US.
If AO activity is happening in an RTC club but I don't know about it then as far as I am concerned then it may as well not be happening because I cannot take part in something that is happening unless I know that it is happening in the first place.
So, I say carry on at least periodically reporting about what is happening in these places and be damned. It is highly unlikely that the authorities will bother with these private clubs anyway because it is too difficult to enforce the law here (to know what really happened between two consenting adults in a closed room) and it is unlikely that any customers will be making any complaints to the authorities because the girl allowed their request to have AO sex!
There are far more low hanging fruit for the authorities to concentrate on and reports on these forums are worthless in terms of credible evidence for authorities to act on in terms of what is happening in the RTCs. However if we find out that the authorities are enforcing the law and investigating / raiding these clubs then we can always think again.
Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" ([URL]www.fkk-annabella.de[/URL])?
I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.
[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2061985]Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" ([URL]www.fkk-annabella.de[/URL])?
I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.[/QUOTE]Same club. Girls provide great service!
No, it is different to Arabella.
Myrrh. Having read your post carefully, I would encourage you to book your short flight.
Maybe I had good fortune in my limited visits but I was not asked for any additional charges.
[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2061985]Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" ([URL]www.fkk-annabella.de[/URL])?
I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.[/QUOTE]2 different clubs. Arabella is in Bochum and Annabella is in Hennef. Not much info about Annabella.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2062080]2 different clubs. Arabella is in Bochum and Annabella is in Hennef. Not much info about Annabella.[/QUOTE]Got it, thanks.
Annabella's web site is very similar in design to Luderland's. Anyone know if they are sister clubs or something?
[URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.com[/URL]
[URL]http://www.fkk-annabella.de/[/URL]
[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2062315]Got it, thanks.
Annabella's web site is very similar in design to Luderland's. Anyone know if they are sister clubs or something?
[URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.com[/URL]
[URL]http://www.fkk-annabella.de/[/URL][/QUOTE]Arabella, Annabella, Luderland, Grimberg, Villa Venus, Verena, Romantika are all sister clubs.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2062430]Arabella, Annabella, Luderland, Grimberg, Villa Venus, Verena, Romantika are all sister clubs.[/QUOTE]I visited La Luna and noticed a couple of girls from the above clubs, that porn movies were showing, and that (end of my world) Manele is no longer played. The atmosphere was more like a slightly smarter rtc so I'm wondering if some kind of tie up has been made. Pure speculation, based on faces a girl made in response to a general query.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2062627]I visited La Luna and noticed a couple of girls from the above clubs, that porn movies were showing, and that (end of my world) Manele is no longer played. The atmosphere was more like a slightly smarter rtc so I'm wondering if some kind of tie up has been made. Pure speculation, based on faces a girl made in response to a general query.[/QUOTE]La Luna made it's name, apart from it's monthly, infamous (Codeword) gangbangs, from it's system of FKK like additional charges for any extra sexual services provided (for example anal). Two or three of these possible services are now illegal.
The charging for additional services is of course very non-RTC like.
La Luna's business proposition of charging more for what you could get in an RTC for no extra cost was predicated on the La Luna girls being of near FKK equivalent quality rather than the fodder you find in most RTCs. But this has not been the case for a number of years now despite the extensive photoshopping on the La Luna website.
Good that La Luna is bolstering it's meagre staff rota with new blood but not so good if you are paying more at Luna for the same old rope that you could have had cheaper a few weeks earlier at Grimberg.
Myrrh. I agree in general. Yes. I wasn't going to pay LL rates for Grimberg girls. However Kathi was worth every euro. And Vanessa was so hot I was also happy. So, it's great but as you point out for a cheap trip go to the rtcs, unless you want Kathi or Vanessa or some other favourite.
Are those pictures on the La Luna pictures real? I wouldn't mind going for a visit if that's what these girls actually look like.
[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2063146]Are those pictures on the La Luna pictures real? I wouldn't mind going for a visit if that's what these girls actually look like.[/QUOTE]Myth says they are photoshopped. I am certain they re not. I was there when some of the pictures were taken and they use a professional photographer and lighting.Take the ages with a pinch of salt: Kathi has been 21 for at least four years.And one girl has put on a lot of weight since the photo taken well over a year ago
The pictures do of course show the girls at their best. In my view the lineup is pretty weak lookswise: only three are doable for me (for some reason Isabella really is not for me although slim). Also the number of girls with photos is only half.
Having said that Vanessa is a stunner, better than the pictures, Kathi is nice looking and stellar service.
All just my opinion. Remember that Mandy at Sharks is out of my range lookswise (of course my taste for slim will be overcome by personality.
If you tell me when you are going I can tell you if Kathi will be there.
If you are around Moers/ Duisburg it's worth a look.
The basic price is 40, and 20 euros for extras, with I think, no anal
Here's my recent post (a link won't work) from the LL thread
"Unfortunately this club is listed under AO, which no club can legally be.
I made two visits. 20 euros entry, with really friendly staff (Sharks could learn a lot), a range of fruit, nuts, and standard cake. Hairdryers which work, cheerful locker room.
I went straight for Vanessa. Gone are the days when the girls used to sit around in their pyjamas and flipflops. Platform shoes are de rigeur. Vanessa is to my mind stunning and if she were at Sharks would be at the top of my list. Lon long legs, tight ass, wild hair, and a broad grin. Performance in the room was very good, DFK, DATY (with her response) and working hard despite temperatures of 35+ centigrade. Her German is a bit limited I think, her English nonexistent, so I guess that's why she stays here.
Kathi was busy so in the interregnum I checked the girls. One or two I had previously done in Grimberg etc: that struck me as odd, given the historical sedation of LL from the rtc. Also gone is the Manele, and now there are porn movies. It felt more like Grimberg or Venus than the LL of the past. There were about ten girls, of which 3 were doable.
Kathi eventually became free. She was as passionate and tender as ever. Her kissing is on a different level to 98% of girls. I don't think a better session than Kathi is possible if one doesn't mind her basic passivity (I don't mean she is inactive or doesn't work very hard, just that she responds well to her partner being slightly in charge, as long as he is tender). An absolute top rate session by any standards. And, if one speaks Romanian, she is positively chatty. Highly recommended.
I have her holiday dates as I know some members like to go when she is there
So a really good visit with the great service I've come to expect"
Thanks for the info. I'll be around Dus mid September. But looking at the pictures I think Kathi is a stunning.