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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2291032]Salaam Citizen, it often baffles us that the super-rich and famous make such bad choices. I often think and grieve over the mess Sayyid al-Gore got into, losing his houses because of a standard rub-and-tug that didn't even happen. Not to mention Sayyid al-Franken losing his senatorship over a couple of disputed gropes.

I think the moral of the story is: while it takes a lot of time to figure out how to earn good money, it also takes a lot of time to figure out how to [I]spend[/I] good money.


No Ho-san, it is not that easy. The Internet is a trove of disinformation. You need to personally visit a country to know what it is really like. And if you want the Real Deal, It also helps a lot to learn the local languages. That is why it takes time to progress in life, and many billionaires never really make it to the top![/QUOTE]Yes, you are right, first time I went to Artemis in 2009 or 2010, I could not believe what kind of heaven I just walked into and what these girls for just 60 euro per 30 min? I was happy that I made that decision to actually fly all the way to Berlin because I went to Berlin just to checked the place out called FKK I heard about.

And yes, also one can be good at business does not mean they are good at something else also. Mongering world is odd thing because we men all want it, but only some men bother to go further to discover what is really out there by seeking the best place to monger.

Considering I mentioned this extensively in the last discussion in this thread. But then an entire new discussion comes up on the grounds that posters didn't read the last comments regarding determinism. I suppose I could write post #11 regarding determinism.

Or, I could just post a link to a good article I just googled. Since nobody else seems to want to try out google on their own. And because I am a bit lazy at writing now:

[URL]https://www.simplypsychology.org/freewill-determinism.html[/URL]

I downloaded it and enclose here. Extremely creepy and invasive voyeurism on the public purse and the destruction of lives between willing and consensual participants. They sat watching it for days and even doing cum testing. It blows my mind that they invade the place under a fake emergency and then spy on peoples most intimate moments. Is there much difference between this and say filming up ladies skirts at shopping malls etc? And they PROUDLY publicize it. Sickos.

I'm quite disgusted to live in a country that allows this. All in the name of saving women from themselves and the yet to be identified trafficking (would this include airlines and Uber and Starbucks that enable the ladies) , unless of course the victims are homeless or starving or the demunanized, beaten and abused inhabitants the private prison cartel that is kept fully stocked- and countless other examples.

Thank goodness for Europe and Asia. I'm note sure went wrong in USA, this thrived in the 1800's with no worries. The creeping Nordic model is a very dangerous war on men. Or ideology. Justified by some very weak and evidence free zone justifications. I am not sure what gets in the heads of people who criminalise a basic, essential human act: sex being the very cause of our existence and purpose to reproduce and source of joy to so many. It just creeps me out thinking of some cop. On our dime. In a grey cubicle poring over this and laughs at the station. It is like the German movie "Lives of Others" (Das Leben der Anderen) about the Stasi and their taping and filming people going about their lives. Very easy to target political enemies with a pulse once we go down this path.

FKK, here I come, with safety, taxes paid, and good clean, legal fun, out in the open and well regulated.

Yes Mr Ho.

The discovery of FKKs about a decade ago and long before that Thailand was amazing. I am always amazed at the smiles and camaraderie of the men in these places who enjoy but don't make a full time existence out of it and have a real life. I doubt war would be possible with enough pretty and willing girls, booze, food and pleasure. Beautiful women throwing themselves at us. We are like satiated lions at a banquet of gazelles or wild game and endless hunting on fertile fields.

Everytime I arrive back it is like being a child discovering fun again. I expect many readers here are the same. It's why we hang out here. Seeking joy in life as is the natural imperative and point of it all. And yes, some billionaires miss the boat like everybody else who does not shop around widely and go for it when opportunity knocks.

Why on earth is anyone against this in mostly well regulated societies done openly and with the full enthusiastic consent and entrepreneurial girls trying to attract customers in a meritocracy? Who wants to consign us to barren Savannah with no food to starve?

Fat American heifer women finding themselves short of men who refuse to put up with their lazy and complacent ways, letting themselves go, and indulgent moaning are the ones that seem to want pussy trade protection and a few others in their brigade to save the world. Liberal arts bull dykes or fugly, self righteous types seem to be the culprits telling other people what they can do with their bodies, say or think. Their arguments, quite a misnomer, are unpersuasive and simply mindless sheep like baaaaing in agreement amongst themselves. They are fighting evolution itself. Ironically their DNA is unlikely to be replicated.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2291256]Thank goodness for Europe and Asia.[/QUOTE]And Latin America too my friend! Let's not forget the chicas and the garotas!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2291261]Yes Mr Ho.

The discovery of FKKs about a decade ago and long before that Thailand was amazing. I am always amazed at the smiles and camaraderie of the men in these places who enjoy but don't make a full time existence out of it and have a real life. I doubt war would be possible with enough pretty and willing girls, booze, food and pleasure. Beautiful women throwing themselves at us. We are like satiated lions at a banquet of gazelles or wild game and endless hunting on fertile fields.

Everytime I arrive back it is like being a child discovering fun again. I expect many readers here are the same. It's why we hang out here. Seeking joy in life as is the natural imperative and point of it all. And yes, some billionaires miss the boat like everybody else who does not shop around widely and go for it when opportunity knocks..[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right, right after good sex with beautiful women, the last thing men want is to fight or be aggressive.

FKK format is the good example of German liberalism and their good organizational culture admitting that even you forbid prostitution, it just go underground and make society worst, so let organize it and regulate it on proper format such as FKK as we see today. Happy us mongers LOL!

Once upon a time, sex with beautiful girls one after another was limited and access was granted with rather tough conditions, one of that is marriage etc. , but now it is no longer like that and some men like us who are willing to go extra mile to discover are now liberated with such restriction, it is sex on demand that we can choose.

I can see feminist going against that, but only thing I can say to them is that, do not hate the players, hate the game LOL!

We live in lucky era, so it is wise to put old mentality aside when it comes to this and enjoy young beauties that are waiting for us to fuck them for moderate costs. After all, all we get out of this life is good memories. So let us collect that in many formats and one of that is fucking beautiful girls one after another.

As you say, fucking beautiful girls for masculine men are like hope in life that one can never get bored of. I calm down a lot, but still as you said, I got drive also before entering FKK on first day of trip straight from airport to FKK because once I change and walk into main bar of FKK, new guaranteed encounters are there waiting for me. It is like we arrange new fateful sexual meeting that only happen few times in life over and over again ourselves by going there.

I monger here in Tokyo too mostly beautiful Eurasian girls, which is good, but German FKK is good for me for white girls and also thanks to German liberal immigration policies that I also enjoy fucking many beauties from all different nations to serve my lust for exotic beauties who are often half German white and half something else like Arab, Iranian etc. We are lucky to live in this era.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2291261]Why on earth is anyone against this in mostly well regulated societies done openly and with the full enthusiastic consent and entrepreneurial girls trying to attract customers in a meritocracy? Who wants to consign us to barren Savannah with no food to starve?[/QUOTE]The idea is that men cannot have something not also women would have the same access to. And given girls can have sex 20 times a day, and men over time perhaps only can have sex 3 times a day (dick will go soft, and on ugly women even softer), biology makes this trade so extremely much harder to replicate in a feminist society that wants everything the same as men.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2291040]We are not in disagreement. There is evidence that genetics contribute to eventual sexual preference, but there is also evidence that environment has some influence.

But the nature / nurture issue isn't particularly relevant to the issue at hand, that being whether one can will their sexual preference to change. I know of no scientific evidence for willing a change in sexual preference, and any number of authorities agree.

Again, not that you are disagreeing with this.[/QUOTE]I am a member of my gym for 20+ years. Back in time in the men's shower room there were no stalls, everybody showered in the open. In about 2005 the operator installed the stalls with closed doors. Only few people used them first couple of years at times like early mornings when showers were crowded. Nowadays it changed to the exact opposite, most new club members and most younger guys go to the stalls to shower and do it in and out neatly wrapped in a towel.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2291256]I am not sure what gets in the heads of people who criminalise a basic, essential human act: sex being the very cause of our existence and purpose to reproduce and source of joy to so many. It just creeps me out thinking of some cop. On our dime. In a grey cubicle poring over this and laughs at the station.[/QUOTE]An utter disrespect to people's privacy for "justified" causes is a new norm. A frustration for people with basic decency, joy for shameless feminists.

What gets in the heads of people who criminalize our hobby? Majority of women lacking love for sex equate prostitution with spreading HIV and other horrible disease. Therefore, every prostitute working in such "despicable" conditions must be a forced worker. No human being can do this by via consensual choice. Of course every sex worker is a victim of trafficking. Plus all money earned by poor victims goes to the pimps anyways by definition. Applause! USA, USA.

Hello Sir,

A lot of frustration, dejection and angst. While predictable, I would recommend to tone down the hyperbole. It is not uncommon to have these high profile examples making busts once a decade or so. But the debate has shifted a long time ago in the US. Most people recognize the invasion of privacy, the abuse heaped on a rich but private citizen who is widowed and not even technically cheating. In the end, this will make very limited dent in any practical matter. Knowledgeable mongers have survived and done well for themselves in the US and yes believe it or not, fucking goes on in the US. If the Kraft story is used as a pretext to simply heap scorn on the US in forums like this, so be it but the reality is not as bad as what's sometimes portrayed in angst ridden comments.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2291047] ...

Look, I also posted what the American Psychological Association has to say on this. (They say sexual preference isn't a choice. And even if preference changes, it's not a choice.).

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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2291054]That's pretty much how I would define choice. As Sartre said, [I]L'homme est condamne etre libre.[/I]

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[/QUOTE]Changing one's sexual preference towards men would mean that at some point one found men not-attractive, but wished one could find them attractive, and then from there *somehow* attraction would develop.

If one wants to stumble towards the intellectual tar pit that is the question of free will, that's always possible. And not terribly pragmatic.

In all other matters we don't assume that just because something changes it is because it was willed to change. Objects fall because of gravity, but that doesn't mean the objects "wanted" to fall. There is something similar here. Some combination of factors will cause a person to change in sexual preference. That doesn't mean the change was willed. Choice is not simply being there when a change happens. It's only choice when it has causal force.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2290882]While Neurosynth has a problem since he considers genetics to be 100% at fault, and nothing else. Then boxes people into groups. This approach can 100% not answer the fact that ancient greeks had their gyness culture. And I suppose that is why Neurosynth also avoids this part of the discussion.[/QUOTE]I never said that. I said sexual preference is not a choice. If it's 100% caused by genetics, it's not a choice. If it's 100% caused by environment, it's not a choice. And if it's a combination, it's not a choice.

And if Greece had a "gyness (sic) culture" it was only possible because there was attraction.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2291084]1. Problem is Neurosynth bases his entire criticism of my initial story on the assumption that there is something known as free will and choice. I never said that. So the entire discussion is completely flawed and seems to be based on false grounds. Determinism doesn't allow for free will or choice.
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[/QUOTE]So now you are contradicting yourself. Which do you believe, that sexual orientation can or cannot be a matter of choice? You were opposed to the notion that orientation is not a choice. I. e. You were arguing in favor of orientation being a choice. Now you are saying that, essentially, nothing is a choice.

Make up your mind.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2291335]The idea is that men cannot have something not also women would have the same access to. And given girls can have sex 20 times a day, and men over time perhaps only can have sex 3 times a day (dick will go soft, and on ugly women even softer), biology makes this trade so extremely much harder to replicate in a feminist society that wants everything the same as men.[/QUOTE]So you object to feminism because men can't have 20 orgasms a day? This is why society should oppress women and deny them equal rights under the law and in social practice?

What's next, because black men have (slightly) longer penises, they should also be oppressed by white men?

Do you even know what feminism means?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2291335]The idea is that men cannot have something not also women would have the same access to. And given girls can have sex 20 times a day, and men over time perhaps only can have sex 3 times a day (dick will go soft, and on ugly women even softer), biology makes this trade so extremely much harder to replicate in a feminist society that wants everything the same as men.[/QUOTE]Wait till the science kicks in, I am sure soon or later men will be able to have sex 20 times per day with no problem with stronger orgasms LOL!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2291261]
Why on earth is anyone against this in mostly well regulated societies done openly and with the full enthusiastic consent and entrepreneurial girls trying to attract customers in a meritocracy? Who wants to consign us to barren Savannah with no food to starve?[/QUOTE]Cui bono? Big employers.

The 19th century "They'll work harder if they're hungry" evolved to the 20th century "They'll work harder if they're not screwing all the time and smoking weed. " America in particular is like a big experiment in sex deprivation. And in a way this is effective: people work longer hours than in other countries. The problem is most of this by now is just makework. And soon robots (like self-driving trucks) will take the last real jobs.

Here is a reminder of Maslow's hierarchy of needs:

[URL]https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maslow%27s_Hierarchy_of_Needs.svg[/URL]

The idea is that you can't progress to the higher needs until you have first satisfied the basic ones. For instance if you are suffering from a toothache you won't be obsessing about gaining respect from your fellow professionals.

Food is at the base of the pyramid, but so is sex. What happens if there is a constant sexual deficit as with many young American males? The danger is that the individual remains fixed at a pre teen level of psychosexual development (Freud's [I]latency[/I] period).

Women do not have such a problem finding sex in the US and so they can move on and develop a higher Emotional Intelligence than men -- sadly they will often use this in a manipulative way!

People who suffer a sexual gap need to fill that somehow. The need is not always going to be sublimated in a productive way. At a time of unprecedented wealth, suicides and drug overdoses are at a record high in the US. Even life expectancy has started to decline.

Meanwhile those of us guys who have finally closed the gap in the FKK world should not view this as a final shore but a base on which to continue our psychosocial development -- climbing Maslow's pyramid.

Since I am not a credentialed psychologist, some people on this thread will follow a pattern of saying I have no right to comment on these matters where "experts" from the American Psychological Association have already determined scientific truth. Well, what has the APA been up to recently?

[URL]https://medium.com/gender-studies-for-men/quackery-snake-oil-and-charlatans-the-psychologists-associations-war-on-men-and-boys-a37a1ef9c0ab[/URL]

So much for "science". It sounds like the organization has been taken over by Nurse Ratched types. This is an example of how the sexual dysfunction at the base of the Western individual's mind is paralleled by a dysfunction in the shared pool of knowledge: a poison of myriad fallacies circulating up through science, education, the Internet, etc. And so we must fall back on our own personal experiences to know the real truth.

"The wise man speaks of what he sees, the idiot of what he hears. " -- Old Arab saying.