East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=MiSe;2333843]Hello,

Based on the current dry session, the MP providers seem to be very active on WeChat. People Nearby.

I get an increased number of (quite cheap) offers for Massage. Sometimes with he only, sometimes more.

Is this a safe option even during the stormy environment currently? Anything I have to be aware when "booking" a provider there?

Or would you recommend to keep quiet at the moment and wait until the storm is over?

Bests,

Mi Se.[/QUOTE]You do know that Wechat is monitored and big bro can zap posts before they even materialize, and you ask is it safe. The only question is have the powers to be decided to leverage their crackdown to include social media solicitations.

My observations of the WG is that class sessions are still in full swing on my Wechat, so they haven't stopped class openings study sessions, now who is waiting on the other side I let you risk for yourself.

For those that must get LB serviced, I say find some horny rich MILF if you are attractive enough, but if you are fat or ugly and undesirable and only can get P4P then you are SOL. Or you can risk it and end up in a round up like what happened to Steven and a few customers from NLO.

Islamization of Shanghai continues.

Was in one of city's most famous 5-star hotels. Asked about massage. She said all massage services closed this month. Might open again in future, but not sure. This the most plain vanilla massage known to mankind.

Time to get out of Shanghai. I'm not optimistic about the future.

One of my faves is coming back to town, she will be hanging out at the spot with 2 of her friends. I told her to be careful, I wish I was in town. Her and Sun are my ATFs, I do like spinners and Tina's DT always makes me happy.

you will need to stop in,,,, to see her.... telll her Sam sent you

I received, as many of you I believe, this PM from a new member with 0 posts on ISG (not that having 50 posts would have changed the picture):

[I]Hey blackpage
Read your posts on the Shanghai board, really helpful very detailed thanks for the effort man.
Was travelling to shanghai next week, was looking for some relaible wechat contacts.
See if you can share some. Will revert with detailed FR>
Cheers, thanks. [/I]

I am sure it is needless note, but I would advise to not share any wechat contact with unknown people, especially in the current environment.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2335134]I received, as many of you I believe, this PM from a new member with 0 posts on ISG (not that having 50 posts would have changed the picture):

[I]Hey blackpage
Read your posts on the Shanghai board, really helpful very detailed thanks for the effort man.
Was travelling to shanghai next week, was looking for some relaible wechat contacts.
See if you can share some. Will revert with detailed FR>
Cheers, thanks. [/I]

I am sure it is needless note, but I would advise to not share any wechat contact with unknown people, especially in the current environment.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I also got a PM from a new member. He was asking for a WeChat contact of a well known WG whose contact is very easy to find. So I suspect it's LE. This happened during that last crackdown, where a person with no posts suddenly was asking specific details and contacts of various places and gals. Let's not get anyone in trouble, including ourselves obviously. Don't give out details to unknown people.

I have read on a local site that Sh police is doing a lot of arrests to cut the resource providers of some big gang (s) or similar crime organisations. So, could be that the wind on "our" MPs and the like are gusts from a bigger hurricane. And reading the posts over the arrests for drugs issues, easily can be connected to this news.

This can be a good news or a bad news. Good news would be that, once the gangs are gone, everything goes back to normal and ma be cheaper (just dreaming.). Bad news would be that there will be shortage of "raw material" and price goes up.

Hope for the first one.

And I am pretty sure it is hard to stop the oldest job in the world.

Just wish to share the news.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2335022]One of my faves is coming back to town, she will be hanging out at the spot with 2 of her friends. I told her to be careful, I wish I was in town. Her and Sun are my ATFs, I do like spinners and Tina's DT always makes me happy.

you will need to stop in,,,, to see her.... telll her Sam sent you[/QUOTE]Isn't Manhattan and Judy. "renovating". Right now? Or are the women on a call only basis? Thanks for the tip Sam.

Don't think I'd reach the conclusion, as some posters have, that the Chinese can't stop or greatly hinder the world's oldest profession. This is a tightly monitored and controlled environment. Even in the "free and democratic" US, federal and local governments have clamped down on prostitution, making it dangerous and overpriced. The US, guided by its grandiose 1st amendment, recently shut down Backpage. In fact, the US is more than willing to curtail freedom of speech and private business transaction between willing parties under the guise of (relatively rare) child smuggling. Authoritarian China could do much, much more.

For a take on the recent massage scene, see: [URL]http://www.smartshanghai.com/wire/wellbeing/crackdown-this-is-why-you-cant-get-a-massage?source=android.[/URL] The massage parlors they talked to said it could be a month. Or it could be permanent.

If I were a betting man, I'd say mongering will be getting more and more dangerous in Shanghai, though the deteriorating environment could be punctuated by some periods of more lax enforcement.

Wish it weren't so!

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2335449]Don't think I'd reach the conclusion, as some posters have, that the Chinese can't stop or greatly hinder the world's oldest profession. This is a tightly monitored and controlled environment. Even in the "free and democratic" US, federal and local governments have clamped down on prostitution, making it dangerous and overpriced. The US, guided by its grandiose 1st amendment, recently shut down Backpage. In fact, the US is more than willing to curtail freedom of speech and private business transaction between willing parties under the guise of (relatively rare) child smuggling. Authoritarian China could do much, much more.

For a take on the recent massage scene, see: [URL]http://www.smartshanghai.com/wire/wellbeing/crackdown-this-is-why-you-cant-get-a-massage?source=android.[/URL] The massage parlors they talked to said it could be a month. Or it could be permanent.

If I were a betting man, I'd say mongering will be getting more and more dangerous in Shanghai, though the deteriorating environment could be punctuated by some periods of more lax enforcement.

Wish it weren't so![/QUOTE]The squads from BJ are leaving end of June so it should get much better then, especially since local LE made sure no bad surprise are to popup during this period.

Still, its all part of a campaign that is meant to last till the end of 2019 and noone knows how things will go until December nor what they will decide for 2020 and onwards.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2335981]The squads from BJ are leaving end of June so it should get much better then, especially since local LE made sure no bad surprise are to popup during this period.

Still, its all part of a campaign that is meant to last till the end of 2019 and noone knows how things will go until December nor what they will decide for 2020 and onwards.[/QUOTE]But are the legit MPs guaranteed to return to business at least? Yesterday, I was in Minghang, with a couple of hours to kill, and in need of a legit massage. I walked to more than a half dozen totally LEGIT places, and all closed, until I finally found a foot massage place still open.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2336013]But are the legit MPs guaranteed to return to business at least? Yesterday, I was in Minghang, with a couple of hours to kill, and in need of a legit massage. I walked to more than a half dozen totally LEGIT places, and all closed, until I finally found a foot massage place still open.[/QUOTE]Who knows? I agree that if Gov decide to stop them all, they will stop them all. In these years I definitely learned that what the Gov say is done.

Anyhow I am still hoping some new form of "relaxing" services will be proposed. From personalized ones to new creative ideas.

Let's see.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2336013]But are the legit MPs guaranteed to return to business at least? Yesterday, I was in Minghang, with a couple of hours to kill, and in need of a legit massage. I walked to more than a half dozen totally LEGIT places, and all closed, until I finally found a foot massage place still open.[/QUOTE]There is no request to close legit MPs.

Its an overzelous action from the local LE in reaction to the ongoing controls since this month is VERY important for them and if something goes bad they will be accused of covering for it before.

They don't want to risk a legit place having a girl doing services for tips on her own will.

Same goes for some shops whom are afraid of getting shutdown and having hard procedures launched against them in case of something going wrong.

Therefore some legit shops are closed, others only have males for male and female for females, others have removed their doors, others have banished oil massage but accomplish massage with clothes, all showers in room have been banished but some provide a room to shower, others provide no shower at all, and some massage joints allow female oil massage on men with doors closed. All cases exist and are a mix of local LE and shop owner's fears.

I'd say if all goes on well and inspection is a success, the pressure should go down a lot at the end of the month and everyone will be happy the central gov gives them a good mark for their advancement in the party.

Over the last year, I experienced some good contacts with a girl I met in Judy's (from VietNam of course). Using WC we would meet, independent of bar activities, and she would stay with me for a couple of days in my SH hotel. So there was more than the hardcore activities, we would visit musea and other events. I visit SH every 2 months for business. With the present shut-down, she is staying in HCMCity and is not considering any other way of working in SH than the usual places: J and M. Bur she did contact me with an interesting proposal: she could fly over, stay with me for a week, only with me and fly back. She showed me her economics, 3400 RMB for the return ticket and twice the taxi fare from Pudong to the hotel. It is intriguing, but I had to decline. A few encounters in a week of 1500-2000 RMB is one thing, but maintaining a lady for a whole week, outside work, is rather challenging. In the evenings there are some business obligations and we always enjoy our dinners and other outings. We have a healthy appetite between the sheets, though, a lot of foreplay (BBBJ and DATY; she does not fake her orgasm), and the usual K9 missio and the occasional trip to the Greek islands, always covered. But to go for these activities every night? Not for me. Any thoughts in the forum about this proposition? Anyone did it before?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2336279]There is no request to close legit MPs.

Its an overzelous action from the local LE in reaction to the ongoing controls since this month is VERY important for them and if something goes bad they will be accused of covering for it before.

They don't want to risk a legit place having a girl doing services for tips on her own will.

Same goes for some shops whom are afraid of getting shutdown and having hard procedures launched against them in case of something going wrong.

Therefore some legit shops are closed, others only have males for male and female for females, others have removed their doors, others have banished oil massage but accomplish massage with clothes, all showers in room have been banished but some provide a room to shower, others provide no shower at all, and some massage joints allow female oil massage on men with doors closed. All cases exist and are a mix of local LE and shop owner's fears.

I'd say if all goes on well and inspection is a success, the pressure should go down a lot at the end of the month and everyone will be happy the central gov gives them a good mark for their advancement in the party.[/QUOTE]You're right about all cases exist. I was walking around a neighborhood in Changning today, and saw over a dozen legit shops that were open. I was able to get an oil massage with the blue shorts, but no hint of extras. Hope you're right that the pressure goes down a lot by the end of this month.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2336279]There is no request to close legit MPs.

Its an overzelous action from the local LE in reaction to the ongoing controls since this month is VERY important for them and if something goes bad they will be accused of covering for it before.

They don't want to risk a legit place having a girl doing services for tips on her own will.

Same goes for some shops whom are afraid of getting shutdown and having hard procedures launched against them in case of something going wrong.

Therefore some legit shops are closed, others only have males for male and female for females, others have removed their doors, others have banished oil massage but accomplish massage with clothes, all showers in room have been banished but some provide a room to shower, others provide no shower at all, and some massage joints allow female oil massage on men with doors closed. All cases exist and are a mix of local LE and shop owner's fears.

I'd say if all goes on well and inspection is a success, the pressure should go down a lot at the end of the month and everyone will be happy the central gov gives them a good mark for their advancement in the party.[/QUOTE]While I hope you're right, I don't think the city can become as restrictive as it has become (banning even legit massages), then overnight on July 1 revert to the way it was before. Each time there is an extensive anti-mongering campaign, things ease up but never return to the way they were.

Bottom line: Some of the zealousness will fade, but certain restrictions will linger. We will never, I feel, get back to 5 years ago or even 3 years ago. Wishful thinking won't change that.

I can think of at least 3 active posters on this forum who have been busted. Some, like Stephen, doing real prison time. No illusions.