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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2294753]"If women didn't exist, all the money in the world would have no meaning. " -- Aristotle Onassis.[/QUOTE]It is not a either or. If women did not exist neither would men nor would money.
In the world most of us are living in, men, women, and money co exist, and different people want different different things and that is perfectly alright.
[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2294795]Onassis said that because he had money, he wouldn't say the same if he was poor.[/QUOTE]Why not? The only thing a human would put on the same level as sex is food and water. Perhaps air to breath would be even more important. But given there is the minimum access to these essentials, then sex is really what you need money for. And money was created in the first place to pay for sex. Aristotle Onassis knew this as much as the smart ones here. Just because the not so smart ones here refuse this idea, does not mean it isn't so. It just means that they refuse common anthropological logic.
The most basic idea regarding this is that we can get access to air, water and food by ourselves. With sex, we need a partner. Thus a medium of trade is needed. This allows for the innovation of a trading currency. Or money.
[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2294795]Onassis said that because he had money, he wouldn't say the same if he was poor.[/QUOTE]Exactly.
And BTW, old Aristotle preferred the name and notoriety. He shacked up with Callas for years because "he and Maria were the most famous Greeks alive in the world". He married Jackie K who surely was pretty but pushing 40. He needed that bragging right of banging ex first lady. With his money he could have fucked every 18 year old Rom girl in those days. That's my point that not every living man is obsessed with banging as many chicks as possible if only they could.
I believe that's what the other gentleman also was saying originally, Mac Adonis did.
Hello there,
Are a few FKK clubs in Hamburg, from reading the forums FKK Harmony looks like the best one. Can somebody confirm this? My only concern was that it closes at 1 am rather than later compared to other clubs.
I'm travelling down for a friends birthday party and I like to do my research on the best recommendations.
I always appreciate any feedback.
Thanks,
Simon.
[QUOTE=CaneUppHosAss;2294829]And BTW, old Aristotle preferred the name and notoriety. He shacked up with Callas for years because "he and Maria were the most famous Greeks alive in the world". He married Jackie K who surely was pretty but pushing 40. He needed that bragging right of banging ex first lady. With his money he could have fucked every 18 year old Rom girl in those days. That's my point that not every living man is obsessed with banging as many chicks as possible if only they could.[/QUOTE]Agree with your statement about Aristotle's motives. To that end, as you said, Aristotle chose to marry a 40-year-old woman and not the prettiest, youngest girl he could possibly find. Regarding "banging" the ex first lady: I will say this. And maybe this is an out-of-the-box thought, but I do not believe marriage always has to be about love, sex, or even romance. It can serve strategic purposes. To me, it is not beyond the realm of imagination if Aristotle never actually "banged" the ex-first lady.
In fact two possible reasons might be due to his physical health or his own preferences. According to Wikipedia, his marriage to Jackie K coincided with the last seven years of his life, and he was not entirely healthy those last few years. Let's not forget that these were the days before erectile dysfunction drugs. Or the opposite could have been true. Maybe Aristotle still had the libido and sexual stamina of an 18 year old and was having copious amounts of sex-just not with Jackie K. Maybe Aristotle never banged Jackie K because he was repulsed by MILFs and instead preferred to ravage young flesh in exchange for money behind closed doors. In that sense, his marriage to Jackie K was simply a marriage of convenience or for "show". She was American aristocracy. She was a trophy wife that gave Aristotle access to different social circles, and she made Aristotle more famous and respectable (which is maybe what he really craved).
An oft-repeated sentiment here is that marriage is a trap, because you end up "stuck" fucking a fat middle aged woman who will be a leech on your financial resources. This certainly can be true, especially, if one chooses to marry a woman who makes considerably less money and is of lower social status. But I would bet that many of the married German, Belgian and Dutch mongers (arriving FKKs in their high-end vehicles) married women of similar social status. Perhaps their father-in-laws helped them obtain their high-paying job positions in the first place. Perhaps their wife makes comparable money. Such wives are obviously not financial leeches then.
Not sure if this is a suitable response:
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2294753]"If women didn't exist, all the money in the world would have no meaning. " -- Aristotle Onassis.[/QUOTE]To this:
[QUOTE=CaneUppHosAss;2294469]In that sense, I already have an activity, I. E making money, which I find intrinsically far more rewarding than sex, and it is not because I am brainwashed.[/QUOTE]CaneUppHosAss is talking about sex. The Onassis quote contains no reference to sex, only to women.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2294822]Why not? The only thing a human would put on the same level as sex is food and water. Perhaps air to breath would be even more important. But given there is the minimum access to these essentials, then sex is really what you need money for. And money was created in the first place to pay for sex.[/QUOTE]According to many WGs, some mongers don't engage in that much or any sex. Especially the older mongers. They are paying for companionship, hugging, cuddling and kissing. They pay for the company of a woman, but not necessarily sex.
You are seeing things exclusively through the eyes of a sex-addicted monger. I get it, I am one too, but rest of the general male population may not share the same outlook that sex is almost as important as food and water. In fact, millennials, particularly the ones born after 1995, are having less sex than previous generations. One of the reasons is porn, which I've touched on in the past. They are too used to their own hands. Not the "dirtiness, wetness, and smells" of another person's bodily liquids. Again, hard for us older, sexual addicts to relate to, since we much rather prefer women over online porn.
[QUOTE]People Are Satisfying Their Sexual Desires, Just Not with Other People
Although rates of intercourse have been decreasing the main finding that the Atlantic article was trying to explain that doesnt mean that people are not experiencing sexual pleasure. One of the studies Julian mentioned found dramatic increases in rates of masturbation from 1992 to 2014 double for men (in 2014, 54 percent said that they masturbated in a given week) and more than triple for women (26 percent).
The increase could be linked to the greater accessibility of porn over time. Other products and services that facilitate sexual experiences without involving other humans are also becoming more popular sex dolls, for example.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-single/201811/7-reasons-why-young-people-are-having-less-sex
[/QUOTE]Asexuality is also a term that millennials will throw around and some want to see it added to the ever-growing list of sexual orientations. It is generally defined as a lack of sexual attraction to others or the lack of interest in sex. Although asexuality is more common amongst women than men:[URL]https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/magnetic-partners/201406/asexuality[/URL].
Hello Sir Mr Adonis,
You are quite right. I had the same thought IE Onassis may never have had sex with Jackie. And I had the same exact reasons as you enunciated, such as his health, his somewhat advanced age (for those times) and his death just 7 years into the marriage.
Whether he had sex with her or not is quite immaterial of course to the point I believe you are making. Which is that he had multiple other reasons to marry her. If she was another 40 year old MILF with a different ex husband, what's the chance he would have married her?
We are all mongers here, and probably many of us (not all) prefer younger v older, better shaped than obese, better smelling than in obvious bad hygiene girls. Yet, even inside a single large club like Sharks, we all have different preferences in terms of who we like and what we like to do in the room. And yet, for some reason some gentlemen think we are all driven by one motive and one motive alone which is to have the maximum number of sex sessions with as many young pretty girls as possible.
This goes to the other point I made once- that there is comfort in having a view of the world in which we think the highest ideals are our values and likes and desires and if someone does not have the same likes and traits they must be inferior and deviant.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2294874]According to many WGs, some mongers don't engage in that much or any sex. Especially the older mongers. They are paying for companionship, hugging, cuddling and kissing. They pay for the company of a woman, but not necessarily sex.[/QUOTE]Right, you see all kinds. There's the Italian Arnold Schwarzeneggar looking guy that we often see in the clubs. That archetype is the alpha type character that's addicted to sex. They should not to be confused with the ones who have emotional needs. Even the guys who do lots of rooms that are not pancake session can be emotional needs guys. You know, needing a woman to behave a certain way with elegance. There's obviously a need more complex than just sex there. Then there are the more basic guys who do crave a connection but would not admit it. The guy with the hooker's tattoo on his foot for instance. It wasn't just about sex for that poor soul. It's easier to intellectualize something by associating it with loose theories than to face the psychological damage head on.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2294398]you can find one or two gems at pretty much every club. No clubs have died and has zero hot girls.[/QUOTE]True that, it is depending on how high you put your hurdle, but it is just that finding few hot girls became much harder, though finding at least one, if not two in each clubs per visit are still true.
Another thing I do miss is going for quick session of just 50 or 60 euro when you want just quick 30 min BBBJ and fuck to finish off the day, going with not sure girls or whatever reasons. This price became 100 euro in many clubs beside NRW clubs, or it require annoying negotiations. But I think we just had it too easy and too cheap for what we were getting, but I do miss this much more value for the money I used to pay. At least I had such lucky bargain sale period for 8 years.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2294868]In that sense, his marriage to Jackie K was simply a marriage of convenience or for "show". She was American aristocracy. She was a trophy wife that gave Aristotle access to different social circles, and she made Aristotle more famous and respectable (which is maybe what he really craved)..[/QUOTE]Of course it was and the sane with Maria. These women were just trophies to him and helped him become even more famous. He then made this statement about women and money because we all know that money and women are very strongly connected. One brings the other.
Here in Greece we have a quote that says that 'A pussy has the power enough to move a tanker ship'. As a Greek I am not proud about Onassis and what he did for my country. I am proud about the original Aristotle and Socrates and so many other. Yes he was a smart tycoon like so many other but that's all. He lived in the right place the right time and took advantage of all opportunities he had those years.
[QUOTE=NotThatChad;2294405]Hello gents,
I've only visited one FKK club (Sharks) before and had a good time but now that I've looked back at it I feel like I don't understand the rules a bit. When the girls and I were negotiating before going into a room, we talked about 30 min /50 E and 60 min /100 E. I've tried both but in either situations as soon as I finished, they told me that it's done and I owe them the whole charge that we agreed on. Especially for the hour sessions, we would leave with half the time behind (even though I wasn't counting, there was no way that I can last a full hour for one session with these girls). Was I being scammed? One of my first girl, I went in the room, she covered me with rubber and I finished not that far in since I was holding the urges. She told me that we should pack up and vacate the room for others as we are done. Should I have asked if the time was up and double check with the girls?.[/QUOTE]Based on my experience, it depends on the girl. I only do 30 min sessions and roughly 3 out of 5 girls would wipe up and end the session as soon as I cum. The others would lay with me and just chat for the remainder of time.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2294874]
You are seeing things exclusively through the eyes of a sex-addicted monger. I get it, I am one too, but rest of the general male population may not share the same outlook that sex is almost as important as food and water. In fact, millennials, particularly the ones born after 1995, are having less sex than previous generations. One of the reasons is porn, which I've touched on in the past. They are too used to their own hands. Not the "dirtiness, wetness, and smells" of another person's bodily liquids. Again, hard for us older, sexual addicts to relate to, since we much rather prefer women over online porn.
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HR pamphlet unearthed at Kolmya gulag:
"I am thrilled to announce the success of our Menu Distribution Program. The volunteers greatly enjoy the luscious pictures of crab meat, reindeer venison, blini, caviar, and premium vodka. In fact the team spends so much time devouring the menus with their eyes that as far as I can see they don't seem interested in actual food any more and we have been able to reduce daily soup rations by 50% this quarter. A big win for Camp K folks!"
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[QUOTE=Simon2001;2294836]Hello there,
Are a few FKK clubs in Hamburg, from reading the forums FKK Harmony looks like the best one. Can somebody confirm this? My only concern was that it closes at 1 am rather than later compared to other clubs.
I'm travelling down for a friends birthday party and I like to do my research on the best recommendations.
I always appreciate any feedback.
Thanks,
Simon.[/QUOTE]Hi Simon,
Harmony is the best of the Hamburg clubs for service and usually looks too. What I would recommend is go to Harmony during the day and evening till about 11 pm and then go to Babylon from midnight to closing time (I think 5 am!) It has a great party atmosphere on weekends at night time.