American Politics

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According to some dumbass: If you don't test, you don't get cases.

And if you don't fund contagious disease tracing, you don't stop preventable outbreaks.

My son had dinner with his girlfriend and three of their friends on Sunday, October 25nd.

One of the dinner guests noticed minor Covid symptoms on Wednesday, October 28th, and was tested.

The next day, the dinner guest's results came back as positive.

Coincidentally that same Thursday both I and my son (who lives in my condo with me) felt tired, lethargic, but displayed no other symptoms.

My son and his girlfriend both were tested on Thursday, and both got positive results the same Thursday night. My son's girlfriend lives with her family.

Neither my son, nor his girlfriend has experienced any serious symptoms, and hardly noticed any.

The medical agency that gave my son the positive test result (his health insurer) had cleared my son (in text writing) to return to work on Monday, November 9th.

Presumably the clearance was based solely on my son developing no serious symptoms within 14 days of exposure, since he has done no subsequent retesting.

The company he works for in Santa Ana is a tech / communications company that employs between 12 to 20 people in a free standing 4,000 to 5,000 sq. Ft. Single story tilt-up light industrial building.

His employer asked my son to wait until Tuesday before returning to work in order to prepare everyone at work for his return.

He normally has brief, close, short contact with roughly half the employees once or more daily. I imagine some are trying to keep their distance from him, for now.

He and I have been staying at different ends of the condo. I still consider his half to be heavily infected and a no-go zone.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501784]Because I was making a rhetorical point about the state of American polling. You can use / read any poll you like. But when use polls that have been consistently inaccurate for years it undermines whatever argument you are trying to make.

Question: Why are you so fixated on Trump? For good or evil it is 99% certain that Biden will be the next President of the USA. You should be happy your guy won. Instead, all I hear from your side is Trump Trump Trump. I will make you a wager: the terms are the loser pays the winner the total cost of a night out in a Lounge, a Go Go, or a Club in either Sao Paulo or BKK (winner's choice) including the price of the girl (ST) - I say Trump never runs for President again and you say he runs in 2024.

I will make you a 2nd wager (same terms / amount): I say Biden does not serve out his 4 year term.[/QUOTE]Maybe because he's acting like a two-bit, penny ante dictator whose behavior threatens American democracy? You think? Maybe? And once his ass leaves the White House, I'm done thinking about him. He will be the Republican party's problem then, and not the country's. Great, because they deserve one another! And I don't give a damn if he runs again or not, because if he does run and people are stupid enough to help him win the GOP nomination one more time, then we will just show up in even larger numbers than we did this time and shut him down. Again!

And nope, not going to bet you on Poppa Joe because what you're saying is something along the lines of what I've been thinking and telling people all along. This is what I think is going to happen. Joe Biden is either going to die and / or become incapacitated in first term, and that's how we will get the first female president of the United States. Kamala Harris will then run and win the Democratic nomination in her own right after a hard fought battle. She will go up against a white, male Republican (cannot say who yet but don't think Trump), who very well may have a woman on his ticket, and who will defeat Harris for the presidency.

That's what I think will happen. An alternative scenario would be Biden actually making it through one full term, after which time he declines to run for a second. Harris still runs and gets the Democratic nomination, and she still loses to a white, male Republican challenger who I cannot name yet (but again not Trump), and who may have a white female on the GOP ticket for Vice President. This is what I see transpiring. Either way, we get at least four years of Democratic control of the White House and Trumpism, if not dead, holds no significant federal power and influence. Cut off the head, and the body dies. And American democracy lives.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501854]In 2016: Rasmussen's final poll before the election, Monday Nov. 7, had Clinton up 2 points on Donald Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 1 percentage point, even though Donald Trump beat her on electoral votes.

No other pollster tracked by Real Clear Politics came as close to the final results. So again, show me a better poll.[/QUOTE]So Natty:

You comment a lot on election numbers.

But you don't really seem to know what you are writing about.

In 2016 Hillary Clinton received 65.85 million votes (48.2%) while Donald Trump received 62.98 million votes 46.1%.

You incorrectly and foolishly wrote:

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501854]In 2016: Rasmussen's final poll before the election, Monday Nov. 7, had Clinton up 2 points on Donald Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 1 percentage point[/QUOTE]You write that the Rasmussen poll had Clinton up 2 points.

Then you write that won the popular vote by 1 point.

When in the real world, where I live, Clinton wound up 2. 1% in the vote, just as Rasmussen predicted, despite your disingenuous misreporting.

Trump is basically left to just being able to dick around with two states, Georgia and Wisconsin. Pathetically less than what he needs.

The recount is already happening in Georgia.

The recount could begin in Wisconsin as soon as Thursday November 19th.

The problem for the Trump campaign is that a Wisconsin recount needs to prepaid-upfront. The estimate just came in at $7. 9 million for a state-wide recount in Wisconsin and it would be completed two weeks from today on December 1st.

I really don't think Trump would be willing to up-front spend $8 million for the full recount. To save money, Trump could narrow his request and seek a recount in just a handful of counties instead of all 72 of them. Makes sense for crack Trump investigators to pinpoint and recount only the counties where fraud pushed Biden up and over the legal votes. Hehehe.

Trump campaign spokeswoman Anna Kelly did not immediately react to the state's cost estimates. Those 72 counties are currently completing their canvasses of the vote now, and the last counties are expected to finish them Tuesday (a fall back date to my conclusion).

I think this "All Wisconsin Counties vs Select Wisconsin Counties" decision will give Trump cover for a few more days, without having to pony up any money for a (not worth it) desperate Wisconsin recount.

Trump won the state of Wisconsin by IIRC something like 20,000 to 22,000 votes in 2016, and lost by the same amount in 2020. Very close votes both times, but bigger margins than an expensive recount is likely to reverse.

However the recount in Georgia will be completed this week, and the price, from Trump's perspective, was right! Georgia, not Trump, is going to pay for its recount.

Georgia law requires that one race be audited to check that new election machines counted the ballots accurately, not because of any suspected problems with the results. Republican GA Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger chose to audit the presidential race. Democrat Joe Biden leads Republican President Donald Trump by roughly 14,000 votes. Meant a full hand count was necessary.

By law this Georgia recount is to be completed on Friday this week. Brad Raffensperger previously said the deadline will be met.

With around 5 million voters in Georgia, if the approx. 14,000 vote Biden lead holds in the recount this week, expect Trump to cave instead of pressing on.

On the patheticity scale, there's not much room left. But then Trump has kicked up to and reached a new levels of pathetic continuously throughout his.

Campaign.

Term.

Fame.

Lifetime.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501882]
So, I differ a little with you on the worth of accurate, unbiased polling. It can be quite precise and useful. But I 100% agree with you that the only poll that really matters is the vote. Although it must be noted that the 2020 vote was tampered with. Biden won, but the count was fraudulent and this was not a fair and honest election. I think everyone knows this whether some people want to admit to it or not is another issue entirely.[/QUOTE]I just happened in here and realized that you took the time to write me a couple of essays. I scanned over them. On the election outcome, quit crying. There's always some fraud here and there in elections, but there's no proof of any widespread fraud or that that would change the outcome of the election. The dead people voting on mass has been debunked from here to Sunday, as has other viral nonsense. Be unlike the toddler in chief Trump, be a man, not a snowflake, and admit that you lost fair and square, and by a sizeable margin. The people said no to Trump loud and clear.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/thin-allegations-of-dead-people-voting/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/18/dead-voter-conspiracy-theory-debunked[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54811410[/URL]

As to Rasmussen, still not impressed. For one thing they were the least accurate of the bunch going into the 2018 midterms, predicting that the Repubs would hold the majority. Again polling is a tough business nowadays, largely due to the fact that landlines are growing fewer and fewer.

[URL]https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot_nov05[/URL]

P.S. I'm fine with no blue wave. I'm just a moderate that wants a flaming crook out of power, him and his base that are destroying democratic norms, race baiting and inflaming divisions in our country. Now write me up another essay. I may or may not make it back to read it, If not then you'll feel better getting the last word in, and I'll continue to feel great that we won the election and that your bragging about Rasmussen was shown to be overblown.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2501978]Maybe because he's acting like a two-bit, penny ante dictator whose behavior threatens American democracy? You think? Maybe? And once his ass leaves the White House, I'm done thinking about him.[/QUOTE]There ya go.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2501882]corporate media.[/QUOTE]This is the new pejorative / buzzword, signifying the faithful have abandoned Fox since they called the election for Biden. Now they can be found feasting on their conspiracy theories and other fantasies at News Max, One America News or with Alex Jones at Info Wars. Random tweets and blog entries of course count as credible sources, especially if they are presented in all caps and with exclamation marks.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2503846]I just happened in here and realized that you took the time to write me a couple of essays. I scanned over them. On the election outcome, quit crying. There's always some fraud here and there in elections, but there's no proof of any widespread fraud or that that would change the outcome of the election. The dead people voting on mass has been debunked from here to Sunday, as has other viral nonsense. Be unlike the toddler in chief Trump, be a man, not a snowflake, and admit that you lost fair and square, and by a sizeable margin. The people said no to Trump loud and clear.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/thin-allegations-of-dead-people-voting/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/18/dead-voter-conspiracy-theory-debunked[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54811410[/URL]

As to Rasmussen, still not impressed. For one thing they were the least accurate of the bunch going into the 2018 midterms, predicting that the Repubs would hold the majority. Again polling is a tough business nowadays, largely due to the fact that landlines are growing fewer and fewer.

[URL]https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot_nov05[/URL]

P.S. I'm fine with no blue wave. I'm just a moderate that wants a flaming crook out of power, him and his base that are destroying democratic norms, race baiting and inflaming divisions in our country. Now write me up another essay. I may or may not make it back to read it, If not then you'll feel better getting the last word in, and I'll continue to feel great that we won the election and that your bragging about Rasmussen was shown to be overblown.[/QUOTE]Here's the thing. Trump supporters want to believe all of the "fraud" stuff because their guy lost. Remember that last week, the LT. Governor of Texas has offered $1,000,000 to anyone, anywhere, who can provide him with verifiable instances of voter fraud. Any idea how much he's given away so far? Zip, zilch, nada.

Trump supporters are like flies. A bee can tell a fly all day long that pollen tastes better than * but the fly will never listen.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2504015]Here's the thing. Trump supporters want to believe all of the "fraud" stuff because their guy lost. Remember that last week, the LT. Governor of Texas has offered $1,000,000 to anyone, anywhere, who can provide him with verifiable instances of voter fraud. Any idea how much he's given away so far? Zip, zilch, nada.

Trump supporters are like flies. A bee can tell a fly all day long that pollen tastes better than * but the fly will never listen.[/QUOTE]They are welcome to engage in their fantasies, but on the sidelines, not from positions of political power. It's worth adding that they are more than welcome to try and prove their assertions in court. That's going quite poorly, though Rudy and the boys have raised a lot of $ from the faithful. That's probably what is all about anyway, that and solidifying the victimization to fuel the movement once Dump leaves office.

I am Canadian but live in USA. Over the last 25 years I worked and traveled to several socialism and communist countries Russia, China, Venezuela. I thought USA was smart enough to look at past history to see that devastation socialism and communism have done. These countries governments promise to look after all the people, give them jobs, give them free stuff but all they do is keep them in poverty. That is why I thought Trump would get elected again. I feel sorry for all the people that voted for Biden as he will do exactly what he has done for the last 47 years and the people that voted for him will not get all the free crap he promised. They will be the ones hurt in this. Trump definitly isn't politically correct and he is a typical arrogant New Yorker but he got things done. Now we get bigger government, higher taxes, higher health insurance, electric bills that will go up 200-400% Small businesses will go broke trying to keep up with new environmental regulations. We will go back into the Paris Green deal. We will let China steal all our technology and wipe out our manufacturing industry like the Obama years. And the far left will blame Trump for everything.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504146]I am Canadian but live in USA. Over the last 25 years I worked and traveled to several socialism and communist countries Russia, China, Venezuela. I thought USA was smart enough to look at past history to see that devastation socialism and communism have done. These countries governments promise to look after all the people, give them jobs, give them free stuff but all they do is keep them in poverty. That is why I thought Trump would get elected again. I feel sorry for all the people that voted for Biden as he will do exactly what he has done for the last 47 years and the people that voted for him will not get all the free crap he promised. They will be the ones hurt in this. Trump definitly isn't politically correct and he is a typical arrogant New Yorker but he got things done. Now we get bigger government, higher taxes, higher health insurance, electric bills that will go up 200-400% Small businesses will go broke trying to keep up with new environmental regulations. We will go back into the Paris Green deal. We will let China steal all our technology and wipe out our manufacturing industry like the Obama years. And the far left will blame Trump for everything.[/QUOTE]Trump didn't get much of anything done. Lots of simple solutions to complex problems that don't get resolved. But call it a victory anyway. Just like the fascist demagogue that he is. By the way, I've been to those communist countries that you note, and if you can't see the difference between Joe Biden and the leaders of those countries, then it's you and your conclusions about Biden the man and the politician that aren't very smart. You've been gulping down the right-wing Kool-Aid! No, I knew Trump wouldn't win again because Donald Trump's America was never "America". He didn't win the popular vote the first time, and I knew he would lose that by an even wider margin this time, which would translate into enough electoral votes for Biden to win. Good riddance!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2504154]Trump didn't get much of anything done. Lots of simple solutions to complex problems that don't get resolved. But call it a victory anyway. Just like the fascist demagogue that he is. By the way, I've been to those communist countries that you note, and if you can't see the difference between Joe Biden and the leaders of those countries, then it's you and your conclusions about Biden the man and the politician that aren't very smart. You've been gulping down the right-wing Kool-Aid! No, I knew Trump wouldn't win again because Donald Trump's America was never "America". He didn't win the popular vote the first time, and I knew he would lose that by an even wider margin this time, which would translate into enough electoral votes for Biden to win. Good riddance![/QUOTE]Just my views as a small business owner. I legally got my green card and I pay taxes.

I like smaller government, less regulations and lower taxes. I don't believe in free education, free health care for illegals. If you think Biden is going to make 4 years as president with Harris ready to take over as president you are dreaming. Bernie, AOC, Omar and the squad will push Biden to do as they want or force him out. Only hope for America is GOP winning the senate. If you can't see what Trump does you must watch CNN and MSNBC instead of real news.

Lower taxes.

Getting rid of Iran deal.

Getting rid of Paris Accord.

Peace in the Middle East.

Reducing stupid regulations on small business.

Most stability with and. Korea than any other president.

Protecting USA manufacturing from China.

Protecting USA technology from China.

Trade agreement with Canada and USA.

Bringing back thousands of jobs from overseas and Billions of dollars back.

Lowest unemployment for blacks and Hispanics ever.

Funding for Black colleges.

This is 11 of the 40 or so things he did.

I bet you can't name one good thing Obama Biden did in 8 years.

Or I bet you can't name one good thing Biden did in 47 years.

Even Canada would trade Trudeau for Trump.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Just my views as a small business owner. I legally got my green card and I pay taxes. I bet you can't name one good thing Obama Biden did in 8 years. Or I bet you can't name one good thing Biden did in 47 years. Even Canada would trade Trudeau for Trump.[/QUOTE]And he's the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln too! LOL! I'm a well-educated, well-traveled man who doesn't waste my time debating with Trumptards. It's hopeless, and you insult my intelligence, citing all of those "accomplishments" as something "good". I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to defeat the likes of you fair and square, and to win! And that's just what we did too. Biden won, and people better start getting used to it. I was born in the United States, so I don't need a green card. And I've definitely paid more taxes than Donald Trump has! Now, about that trade.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504192]Just my views as a small business owner. I legally got my green card and I pay taxes.

I like smaller government, less regulations and lower taxes. I don't believe in free education, free health care for illegals. If you think Biden is going to make 4 years as president with Harris ready to take over as president you are dreaming. Bernie, AOC, Omar and the squad will push Biden to do as they want or force him out. Only hope for America is GOP winning the senate. If you can't see what Trump does you must watch CNN and MSNBC instead of real news.

Lower taxes.

Getting rid of Iran deal.

Getting rid of Paris Accord.

Peace in the Middle East.

Reducing stupid regulations on small business.

Most stability with and. Korea than any other president.

Protecting USA manufacturing from China.

Protecting USA technology from China.

Trade agreement with Canada and USA.

Bringing back thousands of jobs from overseas and Billions of dollars back.

Lowest unemployment for blacks and Hispanics ever.

Funding for Black colleges.

This is 11 of the 40 or so things he did.

I bet you can't name one good thing Obama Biden did in 8 years.

Or I bet you can't name one good thing Biden did in 47 years.

Even Canada would trade Trudeau for Trump.[/QUOTE]Also I don't want to defund the police, I support the military, I stand for both Canada and USA anthem, I don't believe in protecting the looters that vandalize businesses, and I believe all lives matter. I would rather have an asshole businessman running the country and looking after its citizens than a lifetime politician who promises everything to everyone and does nothing. So I can never be a democrat.

[QUOTE=Canada;2504209]So I can never be a democrat.[/QUOTE]That's quite OK. We are going to do just fine without you.