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[QUOTE=Finite; 1360211]Has anyone in "here" had a good session with two girls?

I tried it at Artemis last time I visited, and it was not a totaly unpleasant session, but a far cry from how a imagined it to be. Not like in pornmovies, wich I should have thaught of, if a was thinking with my big head.

The constant changing of condoms when penetrating for example, was a bit of a turn of. But I off course understand why. Can't remember the names of the girls I think they had some Croatian heritage, girls who speak and come from the same place often stick togheter.[/QUOTE]The changing of the condoms is a drag. You need girls who don't mind sharing bodily fluids with each other.

[QUOTE=Atooz; 1361476]A couple of my fav's at this club said to me that their "boyfriends" got wind of some mongers going around spreading herpes and syphilis and got very angry. I'm not inclined to mention names of the SPs or club in order to protect the innocent, but this reminded me of Rajiv6969 who has gone silent since his initial posts a few weeks ago. Really hope that it's just a coincidence and nothing happened to him or anyone else. It's not worth it man.

This made me realize why the SPs would want to keep boyfriends or managers. It is not as dysfunctional as one might think.[/QUOTE]There are those on this forum who are suspect of being the same guy. Rajiv / capt cabin / armpitna / etc should not flaunt their supposed STD's and supposed travels if he / they are real. I can see why pimps might be useful once in a while. Some mongers need to have a little "attitude adjustment" as they say. Having said that, I expect no let up from this voyeur.

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[QUOTE=Indi Companion;1362248]In any event I am happy to see that all what I know on the basis of many years of experience is absolutely false and non existing, fruit of my fantasy and for sure of my misunderstanding of what I have experienced first hand, what I have seen and what I have been told from trustful sources.[/QUOTE]I don't say everything is fantasy at all. I warn against arrogantly thinking that we know exactly what is going on in all cases. If a girl admitted to you that she has a pimp, then that is a good chance to be true. If she doesn't, its hard for us to decide exactly what is going on. That is really my point.

I tend to associate with girls that appear to have freedom to come and go as they please. Maybe I just know different girls.

[quote=indi companion; 1361855]c'mon hb for once take off the mask of the german supremacy of the one who everything knows better and tell us your experiences, i am sure your being always so hard comes from first hand experience. there are for sure girls you know very well who were in this kind of situation and for whom you had a weakness. i am sure you could share with us a lot of stories. isn't it right?

or do you affirm that what i wrote is not corresponding to what is the usual reality of girls working in german clubs? i am not doing any moral lesson, i go to clubs and i am happy they exist and that there are girls working there and providing what i am looking for. i simply wpuld like to express my thinking about the fact that simply turning your head to an other side does not make anything disappear, or maybe does for these who have to sedate their coscience when they get home to their families.[/quote][quote=yakob; 1361920]come on. you telling us that pimping does not exist? you think it is all black and white in what is and what is not? you saying all the girls work free? you saying that the hookers are only happy to get german dick? are these girls only happy when they get some fat and old german man to shoot a load of sperm into their mouths so that they can swallow it so that they have something warm to eat in the morning since they no have money for food?

you go to the clubs many times are week and you no see the management of the girls by organised groups? you never had a girl tell you that she owes 25000 euro or 40000 euro in abstandgeld? you think they earn the euro really for the apartment in bucharest?

why do you need to act like this? i no understand it. i thought you would know better than the rest of us what the story is.[/quote]there are pimps. there are trafficked girls. there are girls working who are single and taking all the money they make. there's pimps who demand 30keur from the girls to be free. there's girls who have to deliver 500€ ever day to their manager or they get into trouble, their families are being threatened. there's girls taking drugs or drinking heavily because of their job. there's girls raped. there's girl ripping off customers and taking all their money.

the scene shows all shades of grey. that's what i've seen in the last 12 years. first hand information. there's some girls i've been very very close with, i know their story. i know there's group of girls at world right now working for the same gang and being supervised in the clib by one of the girls. could also be the security watching how much rooms a girl makes to tell their bf so he can claim the money.

one should be aware of it. you can't change it. if you don't want to support it. stay away from working girls.

hb

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1362444]I don't say everything is fantasy at all. I warn against arrogantly thinking that we know exactly what is going on in all cases. If a girl admitted to you that she has a pimp, then that is a good chance to be true. If she doesn't, its hard for us to decide exactly what is going on. That is really my point.

I tend to associate with girls that appear to have freedom to come and go as they please. Maybe I just know different girls.[/QUOTE]If it helps I may try and explain a situation how a girl can come and go as she pleases.

A girl has her family threatened, there are various ways, direct threats to her family or another way where her family is in danger or they blackmail the girl since she has been tricked into doing something wrong. Sometimes the pimps get the girls to fall in love with them and make them work. The main thing is to isolate the girl from her friends, family and support. The pimp says she has to work for him. She is directed to Spain or to Germany or wherever.

In my time, I have heard many various ways that the pimps have coerced or forced girls to work for them. This is my first hand knowledge from getting to know girls well. It is very difficult for a girl to admit to a man that she has a pimp. They have been forced into this job and know they have to keep it secret. So they have to trust you first before they will tell you.

The pimp is not there picking them up or taking them home from the club. The girl is given her target. Say 50000 per year and the rest she can keep. So she needs to make 4, 167 euro per month on top of what she needs to live, pay entrance to the club, pay the taxes, pay for her transport. Some girls can do that money and more and with the residual they can lead a good life. Many girls cannot. The pimp will at intervals send a courier to come collect the instalments on the Abstandgeld and provide reprimands when not making target. The contact is by phone and the girl sometimes never see them but they know they are there because the girl is reminded on how much they expect she made and know where she is. As been mentioned before there are some girls who watch the other girls or even pimps in the clubs watching the girls what rooms they make. They notice a lot. I have met a heavily tattoed man who does this job. He does not come to the club to fuck but many girls suck up to him.

So the girls know they have time, so they can go home to Romania to see their families, go on holiday, meet favoured customers but the target is there and they know it.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1362471]One should be aware of it. You can't change it. If you don't want to support it. Stay away from working girls.

HB[/QUOTE]That's it. For sure you cannot change it, even if very few (and statistically irrelevant, as I already wrote) lucky events happened.

I only do not like when people is simply denying it and the existence of it.

[QUOTE=Yakob; 1362505]If it helps I may try and explain a situation how a girl can come and go as she pleases.

A girl has her family threatened, there are various ways, direct threats to her family or another way where her family is in danger or they blackmail the girl since she has been tricked into doing something wrong. Sometimes the pimps get the girls to fall in love with them and make them work. The main thing is to isolate the girl from her friends, family and support. The pimp says she has to work for him. She is directed to Spain or to Germany or wherever.

In my time, I have heard many various ways that the pimps have coerced or forced girls to work for them. This is my first hand knowledge from getting to know girls well. It is very difficult for a girl to admit to a man that she has a pimp. They have been forced into this job and know they have to keep it secret. So they have to trust you first before they will tell you.

The pimp is not there picking them up or taking them home from the club. The girl is given her target. Say 50000 per year and the rest she can keep. So she needs to make 4, 167 euro per month on top of what she needs to live, pay entrance to the club, pay the taxes, pay for her transport. Some girls can do that money and more and with the residual they can lead a good life. Many girls cannot. The pimp will at intervals send a courier to come collect the instalments on the Abstandgeld and provide reprimands when not making target. The contact is by phone and the girl sometimes never see them but they know they are there because the girl is reminded on how much they expect she made and know where she is. As been mentioned before there are some girls who watch the other girls or even pimps in the clubs watching the girls what rooms they make. They notice a lot. I have met a heavily tattoed man who does this job. He does not come to the club to fuck but many girls suck up to him.

So the girls know they have time, so they can go home to Romania to see their families, go on holiday, meet favoured customers but the target is there and they know it.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, for many clubs I could name how the system works, which groups work under daily targets pressure and which groups work in order to make a lump payment in order to buy their freedom (yes, that's it, often girls work for buying their freedom like old slavery).

What you Yakob write is unfortunately true, it happened also to my last favorite, she had to pay a huge amount of money becase she was an outstanding performer and therefore a great profit machine for the organization taking advantage of her. She got free after four years with nothing in her hands. She quite many months ago but I still keep contact with her, she is back home and is more than happy to have a normal job, to struggle for getting to the end of the month instead being a "rich prostitute" like someone here writes as preferred by the girls.

However, As already said I can live with that and maybe I am worse than the others.

I experienced first hand many things, seen even more.

I think lot of people should think at least about it when they see desperate girls in need of money trying desperate upsellings or trying to evidentely trick you. I just refuse them but I am not and never too harsh with them, because I think that maybe they are simply trying to make their targets. Maybe I am simply too softhearthed and stupid. In any event I fortunately do not fall in the tricks so it never happened to me to get really upset for that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1362444]I tend to associate with girls that appear to have freedom to come and go as they please. Maybe I just know different girls.[/QUOTE]Good luck, reading your reports I would not really say you are very often successful in such associations. As per the rest I think Yakob and HB already expressed what is also my way of thinking.

[QUOTE=Indi Companion;1362550]Good luck, reading your reports I would not really say you are very often successful in such associations. As per the rest I think Yakob and HB already expressed what is also my way of thinking.[/QUOTE]I agree more so with HB about all the shades of Grey. There is a full sprectrum of girls in different situations. World may have a lot of pimped girls, but it may not be typical of every FKK club.

I have no idea what you mean by "successful". I have associated with some girls outside the club casually (in the past. Not recently). I have spent the night where the girl lived and visa versa (without escort fees). To be "successful" seems to imply some grand purpose. We went out together to have fun. No harm in that. I have more than once, had two FKK girls stay at my place (at the same time) out of convenient distance to the FKK club where they did not want to stay in the FKK club for one reason or another. No evidence of pimps in these particular cases. Another time a girl went outside with some customer who had to fly out at 4AM, so she needed a place to crash till the FKK opened again. I did not mind her sleeping in my bed. I could pay her just for a simple session sex session, could avoid club entry costs, and obviously get extra time. Some girls knew me well and trusted me. I was a customer of all of them in the FKK club.

I once rented a room in an FKK girl owned apartment (for a short time. By the day). She would come to the apartment now and then to screw some customer, and me when I wanted her. Other rooms were also rented to other FKK girls. Communal bathroom. They would naturally offer to sleep with me when I wanted them. Mostly these were Latin type girls staying there, and very easy going. I did not notice anything about pimps. The relevant FKK club was not at all like World. It had no accomodation for girls. Several Thai girls worked there too. Went to the apartment of one of them. Again no evidence of pimps around.

Really you can not judge the "success" of someone without knowing their aims and goals. Again beware of thinking you know too much.

I have had some fun. That is the only success really looked for. When a girl is too much hassle and not enough fun, you need to escape. I have a long term friendship with one ex FKK girl. That's it. It is just a friendship now. I am happy she moved on to a better life, with a new guy (she and I were not suited to be long term partners). There is no thing to be measured as "success".

There are several girls of whom I have been a customer, who I know very little about, because I just didn't ask them. The aim was to have sex and a good time. If girls tell me stuff, they tell me, but I am not asking prying questions. So I don't claim to be expert in their private life.

Most of us attending FKK are simply not getting enough sexual excitement from our regular lives for one reason or another. When I was getting plenty outside with an FKK girl, I stopped attending the FKK club for quite a while. We are all just sex addicts to varying degrees. Nothing "successful" about it other than spending money and having fun.

I have tried relationships with P4P or ex-P4P girls. Sure they were usually doomed to failure because the girls were a bit too crazy. Would I have been "successful" if I married them? Better to escape.

In the long run P4P, spoils us. We get to used to very young super hot girls somewhat beyond our normal expectations. I would not be that interested in normal girls of an age close to mine any more.

Of all girls I ever assocoaited with outside of clubs, for the vast majority there was no pimp in evidence and only one was sneeking behind the official BF's back. I have to be skeptical about 90% of FKK girls having pimps. Perhaps I have known too many Asian and Latin girls and these are in different situations to the East European girls.

What about German girls? Do they usually have pimps? What brings them to the FKK club?

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1362617]I agree more so with HB about all the shades of Grey. There is a full sprectrum of girls in different situations. World may have a lot of pimped girls, but it may not be typical of every FKK club.

I have no idea what you mean by "successful". I have associated with some girls outside the club casually (in the past. Not recently). I have spent the night where the girl lived and visa versa (without escort fees). To be "successful" seems to imply some grand purpose. We went out together to have fun. No harm in that. I have more than once, had two FKK girls stay at my place (at the same time) out of convenient distance to the FKK club where they did not want to stay in the FKK club for one reason or another. No evidence of pimps in these particular cases. Another time a girl went outside with some customer who had to fly out at 4AM, so she needed a place to crash till the FKK opened again. I did not mind her sleeping in my bed. I could pay her just for a simple session sex session, could avoid club entry costs, and obviously get extra time. Some girls knew me well and trusted me. I was a customer of all of them in the FKK club.

I once rented a room in an FKK girl owned apartment (for a short time. By the day). She would come to the apartment now and then to screw some customer, and me when I wanted her. Other rooms were also rented to other FKK girls. Communal bathroom. They would naturally offer to sleep with me when I wanted them. Mostly these were Latin type girls staying there, and very easy going. I did not notice anything about pimps. The relevant FKK club was not at all like World. It had no accomodation for girls. Several Thai girls worked there too. Went to the apartment of one of them. Again no evidence of pimps around.

Really you can not judge the "success" of someone without knowing their aims and goals. Again beware of thinking you know too much.

I have had some fun. That is the only success really looked for. When a girl is too much hassle and not enough fun, you need to escape. I have a long term friendship with one ex FKK girl. That's it. It is just a friendship now. I am happy she moved on to a better life, with a new guy (she and I were not suited to be long term partners). There is no thing to be measured as "success".

There are several girls of whom I have been a customer, who I know very little about, because I just didn't ask them. The aim was to have sex and a good time. If girls tell me stuff, they tell me, but I am not asking prying questions. So I don't claim to be expert in their private life.

Most of us attending FKK are simply not getting enough sexual excitement from our regular lives for one reason or another. When I was getting plenty outside with an FKK girl, I stopped attending the FKK club for quite a while. We are all just sex addicts to varying degrees. Nothing "successful" about it other than spending money and having fun.

I have tried relationships with P4P or ex-P4P girls. Sure they were usually doomed to failure because the girls were a bit too crazy. Would I have been "successful" if I married them? Better to escape.

In the long run P4P, spoils us. We get to used to very young super hot girls somewhat beyond our normal expectations. I would not be that interested in normal girls of an age close to mine any more.

Of all girls I ever assocoaited with outside of clubs, for the vast majority there was no pimp in evidence and only one was sneeking behind the official BF's back. I have to be skeptical about 90% of FKK girls having pimps. Perhaps I have known too many Asian and Latin girls and these are in different situations to the East European girls.

What about German girls? Do they usually have pimps? What brings them to the FKK club?[/QUOTE]Syzygies, thanks and much appreciated your update on your first hand experiences outside the club. When I am talking about succesful in taking girls "free" I can only refer to the content of your posts about your adventures in the club, not about these same outside of which we cannot for certain be aware.

With reference to your posts, believe me but I do not judge, matter of fact instead.

However, this was not a discussion about the fact we are to whatever degree sex addicted. There is no doubt about it and I confimed it more and more times also about myself.

For sure you can disagree about the percentage I gave, fortunately it is a free forum! I only note that if you disagree because you think the girls you go with in the club as for your posts are all free, ok then I think I am for sure closer to the truth than you!

You ask German Girls? I could start to laugh about the implication of your question. Do you really think that being German make the girls free? Mah. Man you regularly go to Oase and World from what you write, are you really seriously saying you do not see anything?

Ok sorry, I do not want to be too polemic with someone who contributes so much to this forum as you, HB, and others do. It is simply that the more the years pass the more I get sensible when I percive a kind of blindness about what is the underworld where the girls are living in order to provide us with all the fun we want.

Hope you do not take our discussion personally but as an exchange of different points of view.

[QUOTE=Indi Companion;1362548]Unfortunately, for many clubs I could name how the system works, which groups work under daily targets pressure and which groups work in order to make a lump payment in order to buy their freedom (yes, that's it, often girls work for buying their freedom like old slavery).[/QUOTE]Please tell us. Which clubs are you talking about and where do the girls come from. I think it would be easier for all of us to figure out for ourselves if we saw the same things.

[QUOTE=Ararat;1362646]Please tell us. Which clubs are you talking about and where do the girls come from. I think it would be easier for all of us to figure out for ourselves if we saw the same things.[/QUOTE]I described what I saw and what I know. You do not need names for knowing if you saw the same things happening. Nobody asked names, why do you?

Are you eventually part of the category mentioned by Neutron Flux couple of days ago who read this forums?

There's German girls with pimps, there's German girls without. What brings them to the club? No education and the prospect of fast (not easy) money. In which other job can you make that kind of money with NO education or skills?

HB

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1362617]Most of us attending FKK are simply not getting enough sexual excitement from our regular lives for one reason or another. We are all just sex addicts to varying degrees. Nothing "successful" about it other than spending money and having fun.[/QUOTE]I agree with the first sentence, but I don't believe I'm a sex addict. It's just that your run-of-the-mill "good girl" can't satisfy me sexually anymore. There are particular types of sex and sex acts that I enjoy, and I know exactly where I can go to get what I like on a relatively consistent basis. And so far, I've been fortunate enough to have the money to spend on having that fun. I think it only becomes an addiction if you allow things to spin out of control and impact negatively on other aspects of your life. Oh well, we've had this debate here before too.

But, I stand by my claim. I am not addicted to sex. It's just that I know what I like and where to get it. And I've been able to afford it. So, I go and get me some and have some of that fun. Then I go away, only to come back again for some more! I know that someday, some how and some way, it will all come to an end. Nothing lasts forever. And when it does, I won't go into "withdrawal" or anything like that LOL! I'll just deal with it. Find another way. I'll survive, and just move on to the next thing. People suffering from debilitating addictions can't transition like that. I can. And I will. Whenever that time comes. But for right now? BRING ON THE TUTES!