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McAdonis: I kinda agree with most of what you have written in the last couple of pages. Aside from mainly one thing. There are hardly and ways to categorize people in groups when it comes to which theories they believe in. The internet of today is not structured in the same way faith based religions are. And so each individual most likely have their own set of theories they subscribe to.
Alround covid there are probably tens of different theories. The same can be said about food additives. But usually they all lead back to selfishness. That is a basic human instinct. And when people see the need to deceive in order to get an improved outcome out of selfishness, that usually leads to machiavellian behavior.
What I believe: well, I believe the covid was fixed in the wuhan lab in order to cover up a global financial crisis. And all the big countries in the world were in on it. To save their own asses out of mutual benefit because capitalism is a structure that is falling in on itself.
When it comes to global warming, this is the biggest worldwide PR drama in the last decade. It is hard to say exactly what lies beyond, but there is something iffy about it. Because we do know for sure now that cloud seeding is being done on a massive scale globally, and the one undisputed thing all scientists agree on, is that clouds affect the temperatures globally.
Tectonic plates are also an interesting subject. Because it actually do seem as if the world is growing in size. And while it grows, the geographic poles move. What is causing this, I am not sure of, but it seems to happen in stages of accelerated growth, and then followed by a period with no growth. On and off. Even Einstein has admitted to believing in this theory. Yet, our school books are giving us this lie regarding tectonic plates, and drift.
And there two things: global warming and earth growth may be related. But this is just speculation on my behalf. But there certainly is something someone does not want everyone to know.
Look up Mario Buildreps YouTube channel. And here is the wikipedia page on the theory:
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_Earth[/URL]
Somehow the coverup of this thing feels very odd.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480149]Actually the year I was born had the lowest birth rate in my country in the last 100 years. So calling me a boomer would be an oxymoron.
Suuuuuuurr weed is the only thing. Well try some trt. Might help.[/QUOTE]Wow. Nostalgia to high school when "slow" kids told lame ass jokes but we all chuckled to be nice.
BTW, was that the same year Cristiano Ronaldo was born? What are the chances that not one but 2 billionaire football talents were born in the same year. LOL. Here's a tip, chill out on the lies. Be a better and more honest human.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2480101]Don't have anything quite as amusing to add. But since you bring up food safety, I would say that many dietitians and fitness gurus on YouTube, talk about how back in the 1960's, the American food industry bribed scientists to write biased reports that demonized fats. This ultimately made sugar-laden and processed foods a staple of the American diet. Half a century later, we are seeing the poor health outcomes that were brought upon by these addictive foods. Meanwhile people in Italy never really read these studies. They continued consuming generous portions of olive oil, and are much healthier and thinner. I suppose this plants a seed in conspiracy theorists and then a false equivalence develops (I. E the frame in which evil, powerful corporations will always bribe and influence scientists and government authorities).[/QUOTE]Look what you did. You gave the resident conspiracy theorist a nibble of his own addiction! See the bullshit that ensued?
BTW, that sugar bribery conspiracy was also bullshit that also took hold because as they say, lies spread faster than facts. You quoted then Kearns research but her work would later be deemed an unfair condemnation of the Harvard researchers from the 60's. Here's a nice editorial pointing out her bias condemnation of dead men who were just doing there jobs:
[URL]https://www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Article/2016/09/19/Sugar-review-Rewriting-history-to-expose-a-non-existent-conspiracy[/URL]
Basically, the actual events were that the Sugar Research Foundation did fund the research into the effect of fats on cardiac health The Harvard scientists were compensated but the research was sound. Revisionists want to rewrite the story as if these researchers were bribed when they were, in fact, just producing sound research. Saturated fats and cholesterol do in fact contribute greatly to obesity and heart disease. Furthermore, ensuing dietary guidelines did recommend a low fat diet but they also recommended a low sugar diet also. Remember the food wheel of the 70's and 80's? Sugar was just a sliver, just like fats. Same for the food pyramid of the 90's, sweets and fats at the top of the pyramid.
What actually happened was the fight between Anti-Fat Ancel Keys and Anti-Sugar John Yudkin in which Keys' point of view prevailed. The truth was that both were right but Keys produced a sound 7 nation study while Yudkin did not produce much in the name of big data. In fact he was wrong in his view that saturated fats (red meat and butter) were harmless. We now know that unsaturated fats are the "good" fats (such as olive and avocados) and there is a difference between "goof" cholesterol and "bad" cholesterol.
Point is, this wasn't a conspiracy like Kearns painted it out to be. It was a case of economic interests funding sound data and a lack of convincing data from the opposition. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was just capitalism.
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Pistons,
I never heard that earth is expanding in size. Where did you get that from? And it is most certainly not related to the accelerated expansion of the universe, which is *a theory*. Fact is that none of us will ever know if the universe is expanding at an accelerated pace, and if that acceleration jumped up a notch 4 to 6 billion years ago. What these are, they are theories based on some observations and matching them with the math. But those theories ONLY pertain space between galaxies. Even a given galaxy is not getting stretched apart, and most certainly planets are not stretching nor is my living room growing in size every year. Would be nice if it happened, but it is not.
As for Covid origins, I had a lengthy argument with MacAdonis a while ago. I stand by my belief that commie China is evil, not to be trusted, and I am happy with my stance that it was it unlikely that the virus was man made. Mr Mac likes to see goodness in all all things, perhaps he is a fan of James Herriot. I never read him personally.
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Mursenary: You don't really get it do you? Everything is capitalism. Capitalism, or money is the tool used for selfish reasons.
What you define as a conspiracy, or investigative work is just different ways of fram.
Every opponent in a discussion can frame the opponents views as a conspiracy.
I could point to 2 or 3 things in your last post alone here as say these are nothing but conspiracy theories. But again, that is just a way of framing your points in a way to discredit its merits.
Each side in a discussion always claim the other side has faulty research. And as with wars, with either weapons or pens, history is written by the victors.
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I would never lay blame on this corona outbreak on certain individuals for being pro capitalism. Hell, I believe in determinism, and that even these guys are nothing but sheep themselves.
The problem that created the string of event that lead people to panic over the collapse of world capitalism, well: automation is an oxymoron for capitalism itself. Yet absolutely vital in order to compete. So one thing cannot survive without the other.
We just need 2 things to fix it:
1. A one world government to avoid conflict.
2. A new set of blockchain currencies massively taxing wealth instead of labor.
Until now, implementing this system has been impossible, so there is noone to blame. But it is dead important to switch ASAP.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480238]Pistons,
I never heard that earth is expanding in size. Where did you get that from? And it is most certainly not related to the accelerated expansion of the universe, which is *a theory*. Fact is that none of us will ever know if the universe is expanding at an accelerated pace, and if that acceleration jumped up a notch 4 to 6 billion years ago. What these are, they are theories based on some observations and matching them with the math. But those theories ONLY pertain space between galaxies. Even a given galaxy is not getting stretched apart, and most certainly planets are not stretching nor is my living room growing in size every year. Would be nice if it happened, but it is not.[/QUOTE]I thought I had already explained to you why you haven't even heard of the expanding / growing earth theory.
Ok, I will try to explain a bit more:
'Burn all the books!
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning[/URL]
What we have witnessed with the censoring of the expanding earth theory for the past 6 years is nothing but modern day censorship, and the advocates ro the theory are framed as heretics. Or even conspiracy theorists who say the theory on continental drift is wrong. As I already wrote, school books don't even mention this.
A google search on Albert Einstein only shows he believed in the expanding universe theory, but you have to look really deep to find any hints of the fact that he read a book regarding the expanding by a certain author I forgot the name of now, and he responded that he did agree with him. The earth is expanding. I will try to find the source again, but it is a bit hard.
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Pessimist: here is one documentary on it from 1982.
[URL]https://youtu.be/Othb0xsvZb4[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480265]Mursenary: You don't really get it do you? Everything is capitalism. Capitalism, or money is the tool used for selfish reasons.
What you define as a conspiracy, or investigative work is just different ways of fram.
Every opponent in a discussion can frame the opponents views as a conspiracy.
I could point to 2 or 3 things in your last post alone here as say these are nothing but conspiracy theories. But again, that is just a way of framing your points in a way to discredit its merits.
Each side in a discussion always claim the other side has faulty research. And as with wars, with either weapons or pens, history is written by the victors.[/QUOTE]Okay?
Is it a conspiracy? No, no secret plan. Just one side producing sound research and the opposition unable or not investing the effort to do the same.
Still a $1 billion footballer? Liar. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2480179]BTW, that sugar bribery conspiracy was also bullshit that also took hold because as they say, lies spread faster than facts. You quoted then Kearns research but her work would later be deemed an unfair condemnation of the Harvard researchers from the 60's. Here's a nice editorial pointing out her bias condemnation of dead men who were just doing there jobs:
[URL]https://www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Article/2016/09/19/Sugar-review-Rewriting-history-to-expose-a-non-existent-conspiracy[/URL]
Point is, this wasn't a conspiracy like Kearns painted it out to be. It was a case of economic interests funding sound data and a lack of convincing data from the opposition. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was just capitalism.[/QUOTE]As I wrote, this is the narrative pushed by "dietitians and fitness gurus". I honestly cannot say I believed it or disregarded it as outright bullshit. If I am not knowledgeable on a subject, I prefer to defer to others who I trust. But whether it is true or not, it is the most parroted narrative. You have a generation of people with ADHD, who surely will take it as gospel. Influencers who often have zero academic or scientific background dominate the dialogue. Not intellectuals. If you don't have a reality TV show host personality, nobody seems to listen. In the 18-29 age group, 36 percent of Americans get their news from social media. My guess is they actually only read the headline and briefly stare at the image or caption, and then scroll to the next thing in their newsfeed, allowing them to read 30 "articles" in about 15 seconds. [URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/12/10/social-media-outpaces-print-newspapers-in-the-u-s-as-a-news-source/[/URL].
For millenials with ADHD posting an image with a quote on it, that is a "news article", like this one with Woody Harrelson: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/dzabna/some_wise_words/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2480346]As I wrote, this is the narrative pushed by "dietitians and fitness gurus". I honestly cannot say I believed it or disregarded it as outright bullshit. If I am not knowledgeable on a subject, I prefer to defer to others who I trust. But whether it is true or not, it is the most parroted narrative. You have a generation of people with ADHD, who surely will take it as gospel. Influencers who often have zero academic or scientific background dominate the dialogue. Not intellectuals. If you don't have a reality TV show host personality, nobody seems to listen. In the 18-29 age group, 36 percent of Americans get their news from social media. My guess is they actually only read the headline and briefly stare at the image or caption, and then scroll to the next thing in their newsfeed, allowing them to read 30 "articles" in about 15 seconds. [URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/12/10/social-media-outpaces-print-newspapers-in-the-u-s-as-a-news-source/[/URL].
For millenials with ADHD posting an image with a quote on it, that is a "news article", like this one with Woody Harrelson: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/dzabna/some_wise_words/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Right, same point. Sexy lies spread faster than boring truths. Your example illustrated how easy it was to sell people on a planned, clandestine conspiracy when the truth was just boring economics and presentation of research data.
I dare say that conspiracy theorists share that same characteristic with religious fanatics. Science and facts is boring so they defer to mythology and more interesting what ifs. Both share the same disconnect, lack of reason. Both are dangerous when they propagate their theories and mythologies as truths.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2480277]I thought I had already explained to you why you haven't even heard of the expanding / growing earth theory.
Ok, I will try to explain a bit more:
'Burn all the books!
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning[/URL]
What we have witnessed with the censoring of the expanding earth theory for the past 6 years is nothing but modern day censorship, and the advocates ro the theory are framed as heretics. Or even conspiracy theorists who say the theory on continental drift is wrong. As I already wrote, school books don't even mention this.
A google search on Albert Einstein only shows he believed in the expanding universe theory, but you have to look really deep to find any hints of the fact that he read a book regarding the expanding by a certain author I forgot the name of now, and he responded that he did agree with him. The earth is expanding. I will try to find the source again, but it is a bit hard.[/QUOTE]Sorry, there is no "growing earth theory" for the simple fact that it is not growing. At least no credible theory. But if you must believe such a theory, so be it.
As for Einstein. It is not a question of what he believed. He was a scientist and the very best physicist of all time and it was not about what he believed (as if it is a matter of faith) but what he knew and what was proved. At first, Einstein's model of the universe was a static universe because at the time he proposed his general relativity in 1915, that was the understanding of cosmologists. In mid 1920's, Hubble established that there were galaxies; up to then, we knew only Milky way and did not even know about other galaxies. Einstein then abandoned his cosmological constant which he had introduced in his general theory model to make it work for a static universe (that in itself is amazing. The greatest scientist of all time tweaked his equation and randomly inserted a constant in his equation, as school kids do, just to make it work for the world that was known then). He called it his greatest blunder. Many years later, Alan Guth (among others) came up with the inflationary theory of the universe and this fits the current known observations about red shift. All of these talk about universe at massive scales. I. e. Space between galaxies which is much larger than the size of any galaxy itself. There is NO science which claims a given star system or worse yet a single planet is stretching as a result of some inflationary theory.
And sorry, there is tons of scientific research on this, and one does not have to watch any YouTube videos to know about these things. More important is to actually understand what is already existing in today's scientific realm.
All this said, I will leave you to your views. Your views are yours, mine are mine. Cheers.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2480336]Still a $1 billion footballer? Liar. LOL.[/QUOTE]Actually, 100 billion. Who counts in $ anyway? Lets go pound!
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USA got shit terrible football teams. So nobody in their right mind would ever get paid 1 billion $ from football.
This very idea says it all, you have absolutely NO idea what football even is.
And no, football is not some handball with breaks every 20 seconds like what you play in the states. Calling a national league for the World Series etc. And Superbowl? What is this? Some childish game? Reminds me of Sega Mega Drive. Might as well name the contest 'Super Mega Duper Galactic Finals'.
P.S. : I admit I am clueless regarding that sport you play. So just admit you are clueless regarding football too! Because you are.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2480346]For millenials with ADHD posting an image with a quote on it, that is a "news article", like this one with Woody Harrelson: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/dzabna/some_wise_words/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yeah, I hate that stuff, and it is spreading.
I have yet to read some studies on it though, but long clickbait headlines do have purpose (aside from just generating revenue per click). They make people click, and that in turn makes them more susceptible to actually reading the article. Unfortunately, those pictures there have no hidden article behind them, and there is nothing more to click on.
