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[QUOTE=Wawawetwet;2290156]Oh I prefer slim legs, nice tits and firm butts, I guess I count myself as multicultural. True that everyone has its own taste, I will keep that in mind.

I don't think I will rent a car as I don't have the license to drive in Germany. Will focus on one to two FKK.

Will see how things go but thanks very much for comments made here.[/QUOTE]Maybe I am just not well informed here, but isn't a drivers lisence a global thing? At least mine can be used in every country in the world. I know there is now a distinction between automatic and manual car drivers lisences, but is there a country specific definition too?

[QUOTE=Optimist;2290041]Pistons. You are right about cultural preferences. Now I understand why many of my favourites have been labelled as Asian Killers.[/QUOTE]I hink there are more than one reason for that. But after a few trips to Asia in the past I also noticed Asians love for blonde hair as opposed to black. And there are certain different cranial types they prefer. But these also differ between for example Koreans and Japanese to some extent too. Two girls in Philippines once told me why I liked 'Korean type girls'. Both were in heavy makeup and had dyed their hair blonde'. They would both look good with black hair too, but they were the prettiest ones. The Korean owned clubs had just handpicked all the prettiest girls around in order for them to work in their clubs just like the Japanese have done in parts of Bangkok. And then they make the girls off limits to non Koreans (Angeles) and non Japanese (bkk).

[QUOTE=CaneUppHosAss;2290241]If not renting a car and on a first visit, the best option is Hessen. Clubs are bigger and there are hundreds of girls and you can figure out what you want as you go along. Easy public transportation and nearby hotels.

Downside is that girls can be aggressive if you come across as a first timer but if you look and act cool, do your due diligence: prices etc you will be just fine.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I really want to avoid aggressive type as walking in as the first timer would definitely makes me feel like a sheep walking towards a bunch of wolfs. But I will try to calm myself down and let my mind to do the judgement.

Are there any rules from the club to restrict auch aggressive approach? For example if it is normally 50 euro charge and find myself being asked for 100, can we ask the club for assistance?

Any clear definition of what kind of service included in the 50 dollar 30 minutes session?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=WawaWetWet;2290300]Thank you. I really want to avoid aggressive type as walking in as the first timer would definitely makes me feel like a sheep walking towards a bunch of wolfs. But I will try to calm myself down and let my mind to do the judgement.

Are there any rules from the club to restrict auch aggressive approach? For example if it is normally 50 euro charge and find myself being asked for 100, can we ask the club for assistance?

Any clear definition of what kind of service included in the 50 dollar 30 minutes session?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Even if you are a first time in FKKs, as long as you are not totally new to mongering world you are probably OK.

I had mongered in many other countries before my first FKK visit. What is different in FKK is the sheer number of girls, the fact that they are all naked (or mostly naked), and they freely approach you (in some clubs, not all) and ask for a room.

So, as you said just calm down, take in the scenery but don't jump at the first girl. Take your time. If you feel like it, even lie and tell the girls you have been there many times before.

You will find that many girls themselves are somewhat new at these clubs, especially the big clubs. There is a good amount of churn in the girls LU. Most of them can't tell who is truly new to the club and who is not. If you look and act cool, they will think you are an old hand and will treat you as such. As in most places in the world, your own demeanor and confidence will decide what kinda service you will receive.

50 E entitles you to just CBJ and CFS these days. BBBJ, DFK, other services may or may not be included. Up to the girl. Ask her and make it clear you want them. If she refuses, move in to a different girl. Or if the girl is so hot and compelling that you must have her, then ask if she is willing to do 100€ for an hour, BBBJ and DFK included. Many or most girls will agree.

Unfortunately, there are no rules against aggressive approaches. Depends on what's your definition of aggressive. Asking you multiple times for a room may be aggressive but no rule against it. Just be firm and tell her to beat it.

Demanding 400€ from you for a room for an hour with no other extras. Well, that is not aggressive, that is a scam. I would take that girl to the front desk if someone pulled it on me.

[QUOTE=WawaWetWet;2290300]Thank you. I really want to avoid aggressive type as walking in as the first timer would definitely makes me feel like a sheep walking towards a bunch of wolfs. But I will try to calm myself down and let my mind to do the judgement.

Are there any rules from the club to restrict auch aggressive approach? For example if it is normally 50 euro charge and find myself being asked for 100, can we ask the club for assistance?

Any clear definition of what kind of service included in the 50 dollar 30 minutes session?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Go for 100 1 hour. For 50 to get good service you have to be lucky.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2290295]Maybe I am just not well informed here, but isn't a drivers lisence a global thing? At least mine can be used in every country in the world. I know there is now a distinction between automatic and manual car drivers lisences, but is there a country specific definition too?[/QUOTE]It is necessary to apply for a special license in order to drive in other countries, which I don't have one with myself. So I will use public transportation instead. Therefore I need to do more research so I don't need to travel around.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2290296]I hink there are more than one reason for that. But after a few trips to Asia in the past I also noticed Asians love for blonde hair as opposed to black. And there are certain different cranial types they prefer. But these also differ between for example Koreans and Japanese to some extent too. Two girls in Philippines once told me why I liked 'Korean type girls'. Both were in heavy makeup and had dyed their hair blonde'. They would both look good with black hair too, but they were the prettiest ones. The Korean owned clubs had just handpicked all the prettiest girls around in order for them to work in their clubs just like the Japanese have done in parts of Bangkok. And then they make the girls off limits to non Koreans (Angeles) and non Japanese (bkk).[/QUOTE]Different people have different taste, it is something which is very subjective so I didn't pay much attention. I would pay more attention to the hardware, pricing, timing which are more objective and these are something could be valuable for newbies like myself.

[QUOTE=VishudJb;2290440]Go for 100 1 hour. For 50 to get good service you have to be lucky.[/QUOTE]Is it that bad? I was thinking to go with 50 and can try different types. Otherwise can only try 1 to 2 if to go with 100 each time.

[QUOTE=WawaWetWet;2291289]Is it that bad? I was thinking to go with 50 and can try different types. Otherwise can only try 1 to 2 if to go with 100 each time.[/QUOTE]More rooms doesn't means better sex.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2293735]I am one of those who esteem attitude above looks. I am happy with an average looker with a great attitude.[/QUOTE]If this is true, why do you insist on visiting Frankurt clubs when (many or even most of) the NRW clubs so clearly have girls with better attitudes (less upselling)? At least for 50 E.

I agree this is an interesting topic. While the concept of FKK has something unique that separates the scene from the standard brothel / night clubs in the rest of the world, every region and club in Germany often have something unique that separates them from other regions / clubs. Very generally speaking; I would think the Frankfurt Clubs upper hand would be bigger clubs, better facilities, better outdoors, greater selection of girls, overall betterlooking girls (I bet we are all anxiously awaiting Siriojas take on that, yawn), more nudity, and better logistics if landing in Frankfurt. BUT; more upselling is a clear disadvantage in Frankfurt compared to the NRW, while Frankfurt possibly still is better than Artemis in Berlin and the Hamburg clubs in this regard.

My take is that I want both good looks and good performance (at a standard rate). Good looks come first, but luckily I have broader taste than the really jaded around here. Therefore I can easily feel content among the Top 10 (sometimes even Top 20) best lookers at the bigger Frankfurt clubs. Then secondly comes seeking chemistry / checking attitude among the Top 10 (20) lookers. And then, and only then I take my chances. Goodlooking girls with good performance at standard rate is likely to be repeated, while girls with annoying upselling or only average performance will be avoided. Luckily I still find that most of the goodlooking girls have great performance at a standard rate (in a 1 h session) at the Frankfurt clubs (1h sessions being my preference).

Every guy is different. But there should be a FKK club (or clubs) out there for everyone. You just need to find the one that is right for you. Hopefully we get a good discussion out of this.

[QUOTE=Shark16;2294016]If this is true, why do you insist on visiting Frankurt clubs when (many or even most of) the NRW clubs so clearly have girls with better attitudes (less upselling)? At least for 50 E.

I agree this is an interesting topic. While the concept of FKK has something unique that separates the scene from the standard brothel / night clubs in the rest of the world, every region and club in Germany often have something unique that separates them from other regions / clubs. Very generally speaking; I would think the Frankfurt Clubs upper hand would be bigger clubs, better facilities, better outdoors, greater selection of girls, overall betterlooking girls (I bet we are all anxiously awaiting Siriojas take on that, yawn), more nudity, and better logistics if landing in Frankfurt. BUT; more upselling is a clear disadvantage in Frankfurt compared to the NRW, while Frankfurt possibly still is better than Artemis in Berlin and the Hamburg clubs in this regard.

My take is that I want both good looks and good performance (at a standard rate). Good looks come first, but luckily I have broader taste than the really jaded around here. Therefore I can easily feel content among the Top 10 (sometimes even Top 20) best lookers at the bigger Frankfurt clubs..[/QUOTE]Oase and Sharks are good for club services, to relax, but not anymore for girls look and level in bed, if You look for beauties who don t treat You like a grocer in Arabian market.

[QUOTE=Shark16;2294016]
Luckily I still find that most of the goodlooking girls have great performance at a standard rate (in a 1 h session) at the Frankfurt clubs (1h sessions being my preference).

Every guy is different. But there should be a FKK club (or clubs) out there for everyone. You just need to find the one that is right for you. Hopefully we get a good discussion out of this.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Now comes the important Caveat after talking about standard rates. I don't believe many of the top girls for looks and performance are that motivated by having to work hard for 30 minutes with extra time wasted for logistics and next customer pickup, for a 50. That was the okay Money 10 to 15 years ago. They can get better.

I know there are guys that gave up Frankfurt and go to the Living Room as example, because they are not keen to spend more than 50 that often.

Sure we can still get fabulous service from pretty girls when they are suitably motivated. A 50 just does not do that. To me 50 represents a crap session likely terminated after 10 to 15 minutes as being a complete waste of time and money, or a low class girl who is desperate for customers, at least in Frankfurt.

This is such a well articulated comment. I want to say +1. Perhaps +2 if I could illegally vote twice.

The comparison of clubs, and FRA vs NRW is summed up very nicely in your comment sir. I agree with almost everything you said.

It is also true that if you look hard and wide, it is possible to find anything you could possibly want in one of the clubs. Just have to look and do your due diligence as you said.

To the points made by the other gentleman below Syzygies, I agree broadly speaking. 50€ is no longer a large amount and consequently will not fetch you a full half hour of great service with everything included from a pretty enough girl. Those days have passed. I manage to find a good girl once in a while who is pretty and gives good service but it is also because she can see from my talk and body language that I will extend the service beyond 30 M. The expectation of a lengthy and repeated sessions is already built in.

If you tell a pretty girl that you want just 30 M and will only give 50 E, the chance that she will give BBBJ plus DFK plus other nice things with a pleasant attitude, will take full pounding willingly and do it till the 30th minute is quite remote.

[QUOTE=Shark16;2294016]If this is true, why do you insist on visiting Frankurt clubs when (many or even most of) the NRW clubs so clearly have girls with better attitudes (less upselling)? At least for 50 E.

I agree this is an interesting topic. While the concept of FKK has something unique that separates the scene from the standard brothel / night clubs in the rest of the world, every region and club in Germany often have something unique that separates them from other regions / clubs. Very generally speaking; I would think the Frankfurt Clubs upper hand would be bigger clubs, better facilities, better outdoors, greater selection of girls, overall betterlooking girls (I bet we are all anxiously awaiting Siriojas take on that, yawn), more nudity, and better logistics if landing in Frankfurt..[/QUOTE]

Guys, in Germany for 3 weeks this June. What FKK clubs I absolutely have to visit and get a good experience. In 2015 I visited couple of them in Shtutgard and €50 for 30 minutes, which included kissing, uncovered BJ and sex was a norm with some rear exceptions. Few girls wanted €100 for half an hour. They considered themself top shelf. What change since then? Thanks in advance!

This is a topic that has repeated itself in here ad nauseum. But which marketing genious figured out that a sensible price increase from 30 minutes and 50, would be 60 minutes and 100 euro? I won't hand him, or her, any nobel price in economics. Thats for sure!